greenblood
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Points being, Jordan didn't have gimmies in the finals.
Why does Jordan get a pass for '95?
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Points being, Jordan didn't have gimmies in the finals.
The Sonics won 63 and you said they weren't great. they had two hall of famers as well. Need to get your story straight
If you check the facts I'm not the one who is butthurt. Your ilk gets butthurt at any mention of him
greenblood
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Let's also add that Lebron would be 1-5 if Ray Allen hadn't made arguably the most clutch shot in NBA finals history.
Emphasis on not.
Or.. he wins
Lebron beat the Spurs. A better team than any one that Jordan faced
ThomasFremont
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Easy does it with the triple posts, PLSS
Because there hasn't been books and documentaries made about that time frame. ESPN Classic never replays the games either. The stats and records have been wiped clean. I wasn't aware that someone who wasn't alive for the Civil War can't be knowledgeable about it.
ThomasFremont
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Bro, I'm a HISTORY major, but there's no substitute for real world experience.
Dennis Dixon post of the day
The same Spurs team that is now done despite having a much better Kawaii Leonard and added another All Star in LaMarcus Aldridge?
So a thread about Jordan in 1995 ends up about Race and Lebron and I did not make a post until it did.
Point proven
Point proven
TierbsHsotBoobs
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Tequilla
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There's a whole lot of stupid in this thread ...
Jordan was 6 of 6 in Finals.
Jordan was 6 of 9 in Eastern Finals (losing in 6 to the Magic, in 6 to the Pistons in 89 and 7 to the Pistons in 90 - both Pistons teams won the title). Those Pistons teams beat the Lakers in 4 and Blazers in 5 to win titles ... so you could very easily argue that the Bulls were the 2nd best team in the league for those years. So for those that are too busy worshipping LBJ, in 9 straight seasons where Jordan at least suited up to play in his prime, he played in the Eastern Conference Finals at minimum and the winner of that series won the title 8 of the 9 seasons.
The script says that the Bulls never beat anybody in the Finals and that the East was weak during the periods that they won those titles:
Teams beat in the Eastern Finals:
'91: 2-time defending champion Pistons (50 wins in regular season)
'92: 57 win Cleveland team (2nd best record in East)
'93: 60 win New York Knicks team (top seed in the East)
'96: 60 win defending Eastern Champion Orlando
'97: 61 win Miami Heat (2nd best record in East)
'98: 58 win Indiana Pacers (2nd best record in East)
Teams beat in the Finals:
'91: LA Lakers (58 wins in regular season, 2nd best record in the West)
'92: 57 win Portland (2nd Finals in 3 years; lost to Lakers in West Finals in '91 as a 63 win team)
'93: 62 win Phoenix (best record in the league)
'96: 64 win Seattle (top seed in the West)
'97: 64 win Utah (top seed in the West)
'98: 62 win Utah (top seed in the West)
The above list tells me that they pretty much played the top competition available to them on the way to the Finals.
The argument about Jordan being surrounded by so many great players is also laughable. Scottie Pippen was the PERFECT complementary player to MJ. Grant/Rodman were strong defenders/rebounders but neither would ever be confused with an offensive force. LBJ hasn't ever won shit without being surrounded by other great players. I think it's a fair argument to compare Wade vs Pippen as a better player. Bosh is certainly a better player than Grant and at worst a more well rounded player compared to Rodman. The rest of the roster was generally capable players that could fill their role. In many respects, not that much different from what LBJ expects out of his role players. Results though speak for themselves. 6-0 >>> 2-5 (which is 1-6 without the luckbox shot that Ray Allen hit in Game 6.
Moreover, when Jordan made it to the Finals, there was never serious doubt as to the winner as 5 of the 6 series ended in 6 games and the other series ended in 5 ... he never faced an elimination game in the Finals. That's unreal. What's even more unbelievable to me is that in the 6 championship years, the Bulls only faced 2 elimination games ('92 East Semi's to the Knicks and the '98 East Finals to the Pacers - both Game 7's). Talk about dominating the court and everything that goes on on that court.
There's a reason why Jordan is so universally viewed as the greatest player of all time. For as good as LBJ is, he's not anywhere close to the same ballpark.
Jordan was 6 of 6 in Finals.
Jordan was 6 of 9 in Eastern Finals (losing in 6 to the Magic, in 6 to the Pistons in 89 and 7 to the Pistons in 90 - both Pistons teams won the title). Those Pistons teams beat the Lakers in 4 and Blazers in 5 to win titles ... so you could very easily argue that the Bulls were the 2nd best team in the league for those years. So for those that are too busy worshipping LBJ, in 9 straight seasons where Jordan at least suited up to play in his prime, he played in the Eastern Conference Finals at minimum and the winner of that series won the title 8 of the 9 seasons.
The script says that the Bulls never beat anybody in the Finals and that the East was weak during the periods that they won those titles:
Teams beat in the Eastern Finals:
'91: 2-time defending champion Pistons (50 wins in regular season)
'92: 57 win Cleveland team (2nd best record in East)
'93: 60 win New York Knicks team (top seed in the East)
'96: 60 win defending Eastern Champion Orlando
'97: 61 win Miami Heat (2nd best record in East)
'98: 58 win Indiana Pacers (2nd best record in East)
Teams beat in the Finals:
'91: LA Lakers (58 wins in regular season, 2nd best record in the West)
'92: 57 win Portland (2nd Finals in 3 years; lost to Lakers in West Finals in '91 as a 63 win team)
'93: 62 win Phoenix (best record in the league)
'96: 64 win Seattle (top seed in the West)
'97: 64 win Utah (top seed in the West)
'98: 62 win Utah (top seed in the West)
The above list tells me that they pretty much played the top competition available to them on the way to the Finals.
The argument about Jordan being surrounded by so many great players is also laughable. Scottie Pippen was the PERFECT complementary player to MJ. Grant/Rodman were strong defenders/rebounders but neither would ever be confused with an offensive force. LBJ hasn't ever won shit without being surrounded by other great players. I think it's a fair argument to compare Wade vs Pippen as a better player. Bosh is certainly a better player than Grant and at worst a more well rounded player compared to Rodman. The rest of the roster was generally capable players that could fill their role. In many respects, not that much different from what LBJ expects out of his role players. Results though speak for themselves. 6-0 >>> 2-5 (which is 1-6 without the luckbox shot that Ray Allen hit in Game 6.
Moreover, when Jordan made it to the Finals, there was never serious doubt as to the winner as 5 of the 6 series ended in 6 games and the other series ended in 5 ... he never faced an elimination game in the Finals. That's unreal. What's even more unbelievable to me is that in the 6 championship years, the Bulls only faced 2 elimination games ('92 East Semi's to the Knicks and the '98 East Finals to the Pacers - both Game 7's). Talk about dominating the court and everything that goes on on that court.
There's a reason why Jordan is so universally viewed as the greatest player of all time. For as good as LBJ is, he's not anywhere close to the same ballpark.
Look Freme while you and Shane play grab ass I'm going 1 on 4 and winning
There is this concept called time and it marches on
You missed this year's play offs?
And to think I almost didn't click "post discussion"
I've moved to a much seedier dive and have switched from bloodies to Jameson and headlands ipa.
I'll keep drinking while the slap fight ensues. LBJ is underrated by this board, but Jordan kept hall of famers from wearing rings. My initial comment was more to the point that Jordan was beaten in his prime and didn't make the finals. Any Houston fans can also call Bullshit on the claim Olajuwon only won bc Jordan wasn't there. He was, he just missed the dance.
I've moved to a much seedier dive and have switched from bloodies to Jameson and headlands ipa.
I'll keep drinking while the slap fight ensues. LBJ is underrated by this board, but Jordan kept hall of famers from wearing rings. My initial comment was more to the point that Jordan was beaten in his prime and didn't make the finals. Any Houston fans can also call Bullshit on the claim Olajuwon only won bc Jordan wasn't there. He was, he just missed the dance.
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