OFFICIAL Make America Healthy Again Game Thread - Featuring Dr Anthony Chaffee

As I've oft stated here, the Instagram, TikTik, YouTube influencer docs aren't my cup tea.
I'll take my chances on the glyphosate issue and suspect it's a nothing burger. It's long list of stuff in this world that will kill ya via cancer. I'm not gonna stress about every possible one of these.
My serving of oats is more like 6 to 8 grams of fiber and it's the soluble type which has benefits relating to cholesterol and a BP. Also, oatmeal sticks to you bones great before exercise like skiing or mt biking. And there's no rule again eating both eggs and oatmeal in the same breakfast. Great combo here.
It's a cop-out, and an Appeal to Authority logical fallacy, to paint all 'influencers' with a broad deleterious brush. But if I were to play along with that thought process, I would point out the influencer in question has over 1.1 Million followers. Which means, at the very least, he's providing non-zero value to the market. It implies a trust-bond with his sizeable audience. I certainly didn't proffer an account with a few thousand followers.

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I agree the example is anecdotal, however, the single largest variable in Chamath's tweet regarding to living in Italy for two months per year, is the absence of glyphosate/gluten. Again, anecdotal, but I know other people who simply can't eat pasta in the US because of gluten intolerance, but have zero problem in Italy - reducing the common variable to glyphosate.

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Over and over again Monsanto - now Bayer - is paying out BILLIONS in damages and settlements along with other pending long protracted legal battles of its chemicals. Chiefly glyphosate.

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Bayer seeks legal shield from suits claiming Roundup causes cancer

Des Moines, Iowa — Stung by paying billions of dollars for settlements and trials, chemical giant Bayer has been lobbying lawmakers in three states to pass bills providing it legal protection from lawsuits claiming its popular weedkiller Roundup causes cancer.
Nearly identical bills introduced in Iowa, Missouri and Idaho this year - with wording supplied by Bayer - would protect pesticide companies from claims they failed to warn that their product causes cancer, if their labels otherwise complied with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's regulations.
But legal experts warn the legislation could have broader consequences - extending to any product liability claim or, in Iowa's case, providing immunity from lawsuits of any kind. Critics say it could spread nationwide.
"It's just not good government to give a company immunity for things that they're not telling their consumers," said Matt Clement, a Jefferson City, Missouri, attorney who represents people suing Bayer. "If they're successful in getting this passed in Missouri, I think they'll be trying to do this all over the country."
Bayer described the legislation as one strategy to address the "headwinds" it faces. About 167,000 legal claims against Bayer assert Roundup causes a cancer called non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, . The company has won some cases, settled many others but also has suffered several losses in which juries awarded huge initial judgments. It has paid about $10 billion while thousands of claims linger in court.
Though some studies associate Roundup's key ingredient with cancer, the EPA has regularly concluded it is not likely to be carcinogenic to humans.
The costs of "defending a safe, approved product" are unsustainable, said Jess Christiansen, head of communications for Bayer's crop science division.
The legislation was introduced in targeted states pivotal to Bayer's Roundup operations and is at a different stage in each. It passed the Iowa Senate, is awaiting debate in the Missouri House and was defeated in Idaho, where this year's legislative session ended.
Farmers overwhelmingly rely on Roundup, which was introduced 50 years ago as a more efficient way to control weeds and reduce tilling and soil erosion. For crops like corn, soybeans and cotton, it's designed to work with genetically modified seeds that resist Roundup's deadly effect.
Missouri state Rep. Dane Diehl, a farmer who worked with Bayer to sponsor the legislation, cited concerns that costly lawsuits could force Bayer to pull Roundup from the U.S. market, leaving farmers to depend on alternative chemicals from China.
"This product, ultimately, is a tool that we need," said Diehl, a Republican.
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I am truly agnostic on the idea of oats. I really am open to being challenged on the issue.
However, to dismiss the effects of glyphosate on the food supply out-of-hand is ignorant at best.
 
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As I've oft stated here, the Instagram, TikTik, YouTube influencer docs aren't my cup tea.
I'll take my chances on the glyphosate issue and suspect it's a nothing burger. It's long list of stuff in this world that will kill ya via cancer. I'm not gonna stress about every possible one of these.
My serving of oats is more like 6 to 8 grams of fiber and it's the soluble type which has benefits relating to cholesterol and a BP. Also, oatmeal sticks to you bones great before exercise like skiing or mt biking. And there's no rule again eating both eggs and oatmeal in the same breakfast. Great combo here.
It's a cop-out, and an Appeal to Authority logical fallacy, to paint all 'influencers' with a broad deleterious brush. But if I were to play along with that thought process, I would point out the influencer in question has over 1.1 Million followers. Which means, at the very least, he's providing non-zero value to the market. It implies a trust-bond with his sizeable audience. I certainly didn't proffer an account with a few thousand followers.

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I agree the example is anecdotal, however, the single largest variable in Chamath's tweet regarding to living in Italy for two months per year, is the absence of glyphosate/gluten. Again, anecdotal, but I know other people who simply can't eat pasta in the US because of gluten intolerance, but have zero problem in Italy - reducing the common variable to glyphosate.

.
Over and over again Monsanto - now Bayer - is paying out BILLIONS in damages and settlements along with other pending long protracted legal battles of its chemicals. Chiefly glyphosate.

.

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Bayer seeks legal shield from suits claiming Roundup causes cancer

Des Moines, Iowa — Stung by https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bayer-roundup-monsanto-settle-lawsuits/, chemical giant Bayer has been lobbying lawmakers in three states to pass bills providing it legal protection from https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-rejects-bayer-bid-to-stop-roundup-lawsuits/.
Nearly identical bills introduced in Iowa, Missouri and Idaho this year - with wording supplied by Bayer - would protect pesticide companies from claims they failed to warn that their product causes cancer, if their labels otherwise complied with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's regulations.
But legal experts warn the legislation could have broader consequences - extending to any product liability claim or, in Iowa's case, providing immunity from lawsuits of any kind. Critics say it could spread nationwide.
"It's just not good government to give a company immunity for things that they're not telling their consumers," said Matt Clement, a Jefferson City, Missouri, attorney who represents people suing Bayer. "If they're successful in getting this passed in Missouri, I think they'll be trying to do this all over the country."
Bayer described the legislation as one strategy to address the "headwinds" it faces. About 167,000 legal claims against Bayer assert Roundup causes a cancer called non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-rejects-bayer-bid-to-stop-roundup-lawsuits/. The company has won some cases, settled many others but also has suffered several losses in which juries awarded huge initial judgments. It has paid about $10 billion while thousands of claims linger in court.
Though some studies associate Roundup's key ingredient with cancer, the EPA has regularly concluded it is not likely to be carcinogenic to humans.
The costs of "defending a safe, approved product" are unsustainable, said Jess Christiansen, head of communications for Bayer's crop science division.
The legislation was introduced in targeted states pivotal to Bayer's Roundup operations and is at a different stage in each. It passed the Iowa Senate, is awaiting debate in the Missouri House and was defeated in Idaho, where this year's legislative session ended.
Farmers overwhelmingly rely on Roundup, which was introduced 50 years ago as a more efficient way to control weeds and reduce tilling and soil erosion. For crops like corn, soybeans and cotton, it's designed to work with genetically modified seeds that resist Roundup's deadly effect.
Missouri state Rep. Dane Diehl, a farmer who worked with Bayer to sponsor the legislation, cited concerns that costly lawsuits could force Bayer to pull Roundup from the U.S. market, leaving farmers to depend on alternative chemicals from China.
"This product, ultimately, is a tool that we need," said Diehl, a Republican.
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I am truly agnostic on the idea of oats. I really am open to being challenged on the issue.
However, to dismiss the effects of glyphosate on the food supply out-of-hand is ignorant at best.
If we’re gonna bash appeals to authority, I’m out!!
 
I guess those people who go into the middle of nowhere and "sun their buttholes" were actually on to something.
Anecdotal, but I will say this, in the last year I’ve been sick, the best I felt was after a month in Vegas where I laid in the sun every single morning for 30m-1h. Without any sunscreen.

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The sun saved me from covid
Thank God for southern California
 
Agree that anecdotally I feel better when I get sunshine. Greenery helps too.

Hooray golf!
 
Agree that anecdotally I feel better when I get sunshine. Greenery helps too.

Hooray golf!
Wait. Is the advice to just get some sun or get sunburned ? I don’t wear suncreen below certain UV index and try to get my vitamin d, but if I’m gonna burn bad, the screen goes on.
 
Agree that anecdotally I feel better when I get sunshine. Greenery helps too.

Hooray golf!
Wait. Is the advice to just get some sun or get sunburned ? I don’t wear suncreen below certain UV index and try to get my vitamin d, but if I’m gonna burn bad, the screen goes on.
Sunburned is bad. All things in moderation truly is all things. High UV or prolonged exposure and I make sure to protect myself.
No desire for skin cancer or even the pain of a burn.
 
Agree that anecdotally I feel better when I get sunshine. Greenery helps too.

Hooray golf!
Wait. Is the advice to just get some sun or get sunburned ? I don’t wear suncreen below certain UV index and try to get my vitamin d, but if I’m gonna burn bad, the screen goes on.
Sunburned is bad. All things in moderation truly is all things. High UV or prolonged exposure and I make sure to protect myself.
No desire for skin cancer or even the pain of a burn.
I can’t figure out what the sunshine bros are pushing sometimes.
 
I guess those people who go into the middle of nowhere and "sun their buttholes" were actually on to something.
Anecdotal, but I will say this, in the last year I’ve been sick, the best I felt was after a month in Vegas where I laid in the sun every single morning for 30m-1h. Without any sunscreen.

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The sun saved me from covid
Thank God for southern California
How are the sinus infections, a NW tradition like no other?
 
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Agree that anecdotally I feel better when I get sunshine. Greenery helps too.

Hooray golf!
Wait. Is the advice to just get some sun or get sunburned ? I don’t wear suncreen below certain UV index and try to get my vitamin d, but if I’m gonna burn bad, the screen goes on.
Sunburned is bad. All things in moderation truly is all things. High UV or prolonged exposure and I make sure to protect myself.
No desire for skin cancer or even the pain of a burn.
I can’t figure out what the sunshine bros are pushing sometimes.
Literally the one constant since the beginning of recorded history. It powers everything of organic nature.

We argue what impact it might have on humans because of imperfect science. How can you have perfection short of double-blind, placebo controlled study? I don’t need a study to know a bell curve exists with regards to exposure — long term or short.

The sun is a constant and akin feces rates have been lower. What’s different in human history?

Nominal sun exposure? I would argue human exposure in aggregate is less the last few hundred years.

Then what? Solar energy/radiation cycles? Ozone depletion? Chronic exposure to chemicals in skin care products?

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Wisdom knows exposure is optimal.

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Even 
After 
All this time
The Sun never says to the Earth,

"You owe me."

Look
What happens
With a love like that,
It lights the whole sky.
Hafiz
 
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