Speaking of Marin County soccer mom's , what is your take on Wakefield's study re: the link being MMR vaccines and autism later being retracted and proven to be a scientific fraud? Did Bobby Jr ever apologize for that one?
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That doesn’t surprise me. I think we’re pretty close (if not there already) to a handful of individuals/companies owning everything that hasn’t been snapped up by governments.
I would kinda like to see some ol’ trust busting - Teddy Roosevelt style!
If you are not familiar with Calley and Dr Casey Means, they are gangsters. Both have been on Tucker and Rogan’s podcasts.
Trust busting indeed.
I have not seen the study you speak of.
I will say this. We know for a fact RFK sued Fauci, Collins et al in 2017 to release any and all double-blind placebo controlled safety trials for all the vaccines on the childhood schedule. A year later Fauci and the NIH issued a letter that said not a single study existed.
I'm not a scientist, I just play one on the internet. More a very amateur philosopher. But how would there be proof of "scientific fraud" in the absence of any studies on safety?
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A first-hand account of the aforementioned meeting.
Another series of data:
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I respectfully request you spend more time on what RFK says for himself.
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@pawz can't reply to the above due to Fuck Vanilla.
Dr. Wakefield published the now infamous study in The Lancelet in 1998 which kicked off the whole MMR vaccine causes autism craze. It was discredited and subsequently retracted.
Jenny McCarthy does have some rocking tittays though
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(10)60175-4/abstract
BBC News - Lancet accepts MMR study 'false'
There's been no credible study to date that I'm aware of, linking MMR vaccine to autism, but Bobby Jr has long been a proponent is theory. For example his 2005 article on the subject for Salone/Rolling Stone which was also retracted an no longer available from either publications. Folks saved the screen shots though.
Rolling Stone : Deadly Immunity
He's on the record here in 2023 saying "autism comes from vaccines" at the 1:22 mark.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr: Fauci 'caused a lot of injury' | Fox News Video
Look, I don't care if people want to take shrooms or drink raw milk. Your body, your choice. And there's plenty of valid criticism to be made of our institutions (e.g., CDC) failing the nation during Covid times. But as it relates to the link between childhood vaccines and autism, Bobby Jr has been a crank.
Dr. Wakefield published the now infamous study in The Lancelet in 1998 which kicked off the whole MMR vaccine causes autism craze. It was discredited and subsequently retracted.
Jenny McCarthy does have some rocking tittays though
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(10)60175-4/abstract
BBC News - Lancet accepts MMR study 'false'
There's been no credible study to date that I'm aware of, linking MMR vaccine to autism, but Bobby Jr has long been a proponent is theory. For example his 2005 article on the subject for Salone/Rolling Stone which was also retracted an no longer available from either publications. Folks saved the screen shots though.
Rolling Stone : Deadly Immunity
He's on the record here in 2023 saying "autism comes from vaccines" at the 1:22 mark.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr: Fauci 'caused a lot of injury' | Fox News Video
Look, I don't care if people want to take shrooms or drink raw milk. Your body, your choice. And there's plenty of valid criticism to be made of our institutions (e.g., CDC) failing the nation during Covid times. But as it relates to the link between childhood vaccines and autism, Bobby Jr has been a crank.
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Then what has caused the massive increase in autism?
I don't know. I'm not a doctor or scientist.
Could be any number or things -e.g., increased awareness and diagnosis.
Many individuals diagnosed with autism may, in the past, have been misdiagnosed with other conditions, such as intellectual disability: As diagnoses of autism have risen, those of intellectual disability have decreased.
What’s more, a diagnosis of autism gives children greater access to specialized services and special education than do diagnoses of other conditions. This benefit makes clinicians more likely to diagnose a child with autism, even those who are on the borderline of the clinical criteria.
Prior versions of the DSM did not allow for children to be diagnosed with both autism and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. The DSM-5 allows multiple diagnoses, and most children with developmental delay are routinely screened for autism.
The Real Reasons Autism Rates Are Up in the U.S.
But there's no credible study showing a link between MMR and autism. And like my pal, Chris Hitchens used to say, that which can be claimed without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
Kids who are autistic used to be called retarded. I think a lot of it is due to better diagnoses. It also looks to me to be nearly entirely hereditary, based on what I've seen in life.
I would also believe that poor diet or environmental toxins could be related.
I would also believe that poor diet or environmental toxins could be related.
Also very prevalent on this site and I’m being serious.
We have some HCH bros who are definitely on the spectrum.
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If we're going to bash the obtaining of pharmaceuticals on Silk Road, I'm out!!
You seem really focused on MMR. Your proof against — the Deadly Immunity article* — barely mentions MMR in passing. It is focused on the effects of Thimerosal (read: MERCURY) across all vaccines.
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I appreciate you found the Deadly Immunity article. It was on my list to find a read. Again, amateur philosopher, but I have some thoughts.
Just because the article was retracted/removed, doesn't mean it was done so credibly. Frankly it follows the pattern of covering for the problem instead of addressing the problem. None of the critiques are aimed at the historical narrative - a huge tell. Reading the "corrections" at the end of the article, one can easily determine those corrections don't materially effect the underlying argument. Sure, 99x more than recommended dose of Mercury is better than 189x, but still ….
This following paragraph is the correction of the correction!
Since that earlier correction, however, it has become clear from responses to the article that the forty-percent number, while accurate, is misleading. It measures the total mercury load an infant received from vaccines during the first six months, calculates the daily average received based on average body weight, and then compares that number to the EPA daily limit. But infants did not receive the vaccines as a ?daily average? ? they received massive doses on a single day, through multiple shots. As the story states, these single-day doses exceeded the EPA limit by as much as 99 times. Based on the misunderstanding, and to avoid further confusion, we have amended the story to eliminate the forty-percent figure.
All of that to obfuscate the over-arching point of having mercury in vaccines at all.
"You couldn't even construct a study that shows thimerosal is safe," says Haley, who heads the chemistry department at the University of Kentucky. "It's just too darn toxic. If you inject thimerosal into an animal, its brain will sicken. If you apply it to living tissue, the cells die. If you put it in a petri dish, the culture dies. Knowing these things, it would be shocking if one could inject it into an infant without causing damage."
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*The Lancet retracted their study, which is fine and honorable. But that fact does not impact later work on the topic to the degree it is cited as source. I haven't seen RFK use this retracted study as a source, but am willing to be corrected. The Fox News link didn't work for me.
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#FuckVanilla @DerekJohnson
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Please to be letting me know when Ross Ulbricht receives a pardon.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/25/trump-commute-ross-ulbricht-sentence-libertarian-convention-00160025
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Please to be letting me know when Ross Ulbricht receives a pardon.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/25/trump-commute-ross-ulbricht-sentence-libertarian-convention-00160025
Damn, I was just gonna start advertising what I have available.