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Are you advocating for a democracy? Rule by simple majority would be a disaster
Nah, I'm on your side when it comes to the Senate. Electoral votes though, ehhhh. Cali has 54 and Wyoming has 3. That's not 67x. A Wyoming citizen's vote is worth more than any other state's citizen's votes in this system, by far. Minority rule is not a great thing either. For the House, Cali has 52, Wyoming has 1. That's closer to reason, but it ain't 67x.
 
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Are you advocating for a democracy? Rule by simple majority would be a disaster
Nah, I'm on your side when it comes to the Senate. Electoral votes though, ehhhh. Cali has 54 and Wyoming has 3. That's not 67x. A Wyoming citizen's vote is worth more than any other state's citizen's votes in this system, by far. Minority rule is not a great thing either.
Should we take out illegals from the census?
 
Furthermore, I love the caricature of Trump of being at the same time a near senile bumbling kleptocrat while also playing 6D chess to align the powers of the federal government into a dictatorship.
Even given that, you'd think this would be a solid argument for a limitation on federal powers but no, somehow it's still necessary to vastly increase the size and scope of said government.
You keep saying dictator. Orban isn't a dictator, and neither is Trump. You haven't read the stuff I've sent you and it shows. Autocracy and kleptocracy take many forms. The EU classifies Hungary as a "hybrid regime of electoral autocracy". Orban rose to power by getting elected and then hijacking and undermining previously democratic institutions (the free press, the judiciary, parliament, civil service), rewriting the constitution, and purging civil servants for loyalists. No, Trump won't be able to do these things to the extent Orban has, but he sure would like to, and he'll do his level best. https://www.voanews.com/a/press-freedom_trump-attacks-press-effective-new-study-finds/6187774.html, he's got a grip on a partisan judiciary and a party of fealty in his sway. The old guard of McCain/Romney conservatism is gone. It's go time for Don's autocratic and kleptocratic ambitions. He's said as much (3 terms!, Orban lust, power of office to pardon federal charges, etc), proven as much (2 billion to Kushner from Saudi Arabia, massive tax cuts for the wealthy, https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/trump-made-up-to-160-million-from-foreign-countries-as-president/, https://www.divestoregon.org/trump-shakes-down-big-oil-for-1-billion, etc), and the stated policy goals say as much (Schedule F, etc), the shit I've been talking about.

You're being swindled into voting an anti-democratic Orbanist kleptocrat into office again, this time with a plan.
McCain and Romney were NEVER conservatives…
 
Separation of powers and the checks and balances it requires is lost on communists.
 
Wyoming, doesn't, Only in the Senate, Turbo
I misread and misspoke on my original reply. Whatever. The bicameral system is good. Senate is good. House is probably fine. Electoral college, ehhhh. If you wanna explain why someone losing the popular vote should be president, have at it.
 
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California has proportional representation in the House of representatives to it's population. Waaaay more than Wyoming... congratulations!
California on the state level is 1/50 of states represented in the Senate and has proportional representation of 1/50th that was what you got and agreed to to be a part of the Union
It was designed to be this way so states like California and New york don't make the rules for 48 other states and overrun their sovereignty.
All 50 states are like little countries that formed a coop…that means cooperation together, it doesn't mean you get to take over.
It's a Union of states with equal representation in the senate and then each state gets to make it's own rules for it's state respectively and sends representatives based on population and demographics.
I know you lefty's don't like not being able to control everything but we let you ruin California already.
Commiefornia does have a bigger say than other states but they don't get to bully everyone else.
HTH
 
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@CallMeBigErn
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California has proportional representation in the House of representatives to it's population. Waaaay more than Wyoming... congratulations!
California on the state level is 1/50 of states represented in the Senate and has proportional representation of 1/50th that was what you got and agreed to to be a part of the Union
It was designed to be this way so states like California and New york don't make the rules for 48 other states and overrun their sovereignty.
All 50 states are like little countries that formed a coop…that means cooperation together, it doesn't mean you get to take over.
It's a Union of states with equal representation in the senate and then each state gets to make it's own rules for it's state respectively.
I know you lefty's don't like not being able to control everything but we let you ruin California already.
Commiefornia does have a bigger say than other states but they don't get to bully everyone else.
HTH
See above.

I'm not Californian, btw. I'm Nevadan, probably gonna be Washingtonian again soon.
 
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@CallMeBigErn
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Let me help…
California has proportional representation in the House of representatives to it's population. Waaaay more than Wyoming... congratulations!
California on the state level is 1/50 of states represented in the Senate and has proportional representation of 1/50th that was what you got and agreed to to be a part of the Union
It was designed to be this way so states like California and New york don't make the rules for 48 other states and overrun their sovereignty.
All 50 states are like little countries that formed a coop…that means cooperation together, it doesn't mean you get to take over.
It's a Union of states with equal representation in the senate and then each state gets to make it's own rules for it's state respectively.
I know you lefty's don't like not being able to control everything but we let you ruin California already.
Commiefornia does have a bigger say than other states but they don't get to bully everyone else.
HTH
See above.

I'm not Californian, btw. I'm Nevadan, probably gonna be Washingtonian again soon.
Ok Nevadan, you used California as your comparison example. Doesn't change the fact that our founding fathers saw the lefty's coming when they created a constitutional republic instead of a democracy of mob rules.
 
@CallMeBigErn
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Let me help…
California has proportional representation in the House of representatives to it's population. Waaaay more than Wyoming... congratulations!
California on the state level is 1/50 of states represented in the Senate and has proportional representation of 1/50th that was what you got and agreed to to be a part of the Union
It was designed to be this way so states like California and New york don't make the rules for 48 other states and overrun their sovereignty.
All 50 states are like little countries that formed a coop…that means cooperation together, it doesn't mean you get to take over.
It's a Union of states with equal representation in the senate and then each state gets to make it's own rules for it's state respectively.
I know you lefty's don't like not being able to control everything but we let you ruin California already.
Commiefornia does have a bigger say than other states but they don't get to bully everyone else.
HTH
See above.

I'm not Californian, btw. I'm Nevadan, probably gonna be Washingtonian again soon.
Ok Nevadan, you used California as your comparison example. Doesn't change the fact that our founding fathers saw the lefty's coming when they created a constitutional republic instead of a democracy of mob rules.
Your lack of self awareness is very endearing.
 
@CallMeBigErn
(Stupid Vanilla Aids quote box!)
Let me help…
California has proportional representation in the House of representatives to it's population. Waaaay more than Wyoming... congratulations!
California on the state level is 1/50 of states represented in the Senate and has proportional representation of 1/50th that was what you got and agreed to to be a part of the Union
It was designed to be this way so states like California and New york don't make the rules for 48 other states and overrun their sovereignty.
All 50 states are like little countries that formed a coop…that means cooperation together, it doesn't mean you get to take over.
It's a Union of states with equal representation in the senate and then each state gets to make it's own rules for it's state respectively.
I know you lefty's don't like not being able to control everything but we let you ruin California already.
Commiefornia does have a bigger say than other states but they don't get to bully everyone else.
HTH
See above.

I'm not Californian, btw. I'm Nevadan, probably gonna be Washingtonian again soon.
Funny, I'm in Vegas as we speak …. Lot's of Trump fans here. Lots.

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Wyoming, doesn't, Only in the Senate, Turbo
I misread and misspoke on my original reply. Whatever. The bicameral system is good. Senate is good. House is probably fine. Electoral college, ehhhh. If you wanna explain why someone losing the popular vote should be president, have at it.
Because the constitution says so. Electoral college lets the states decide and not just the popular vote where the most populous states would have too much control to the detriment of the smaller states. The founders were exceedingly smart. You? Not so much.
 
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Wyoming, doesn't, Only in the Senate, Turbo
I misread and misspoke on my original reply. Whatever. The bicameral system is good. Senate is good. House is probably fine. Electoral college, ehhhh. If you wanna explain why someone losing the popular vote should be president, have at it.
Because the constitution says so. Electoral college lets the states decide and not just the popular vote where the most populous states would have too much control to the detriment of the smaller states. The founders were exceedingly smart. You? Not so much.
We'd have to have consistent voting laws too. At least now, a state's decision to have lack of any internal controls has an upper limit of risk.
 
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@CallMeBigErn
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Let me help…
California has proportional representation in the House of representatives to it's population. Waaaay more than Wyoming... congratulations!
California on the state level is 1/50 of states represented in the Senate and has proportional representation of 1/50th that was what you got and agreed to to be a part of the Union
It was designed to be this way so states like California and New york don't make the rules for 48 other states and overrun their sovereignty.
All 50 states are like little countries that formed a coop…that means cooperation together, it doesn't mean you get to take over.
It's a Union of states with equal representation in the senate and then each state gets to make it's own rules for it's state respectively.
I know you lefty's don't like not being able to control everything but we let you ruin California already.
Commiefornia does have a bigger say than other states but they don't get to bully everyone else.
HTH
See above.

I'm not Californian, btw. I'm Nevadan, probably gonna be Washingtonian again soon.
Funny, I'm in Vegas as we speak …. Lot's of Trump fans here. Lots.

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Vegas in July, oof.
 
A Tug poster having to be taught the basics of congressional representation for states in the House versus the Senate and its impact on passing legislation is something I didn’t expect to see here.
Congrats on being the first, Ern! WOW
 
A Tug poster having to be taught the basics of congressional representation for states in the House versus the Senate and its impact on passing legislation is something I didn’t expect to see here.
Congrats on being the first, Ern! WOW
Oh is that what happened
I misread and misspoke. I owned it. Next.
Wyoming has more weight per capita than California in the House, Senate, and electoral college. All these things are true. I'm not arguing against it, that's just how it is.
 
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