What is considered "Success" for DeBoner?
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CallMeBigErn
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There's not many 4 stars we have that were can't miss top-shelf 4 star guys and/or can be considered overrated at this point. Most of them are gone and Savell was a 5 star.
Contenders:
- McMillan, Odunze - Jury still out imo. Give them an OC and a quarterback not named Dylan Morris. The usher in section 224 idgaf.
- Sam Adams - Rated 287. Buried in depth. Maybe he switches positions or thrives as a pass-catching back, but yeah, very overrated at this point. May quit and pursue cinematography.
- The 2018 DL (Tuli, Taki, DRACO BYNUM). Def most overrated. JFC SMH. Wtf happened here?
- Asa - Some say he's still running into blocks to this day. If he cuts his hair, tacks on 20 lbs, and starts drinking before games and smashing himself in the face with helmets like Owen Schmitt, maybe. Not counting on it.
- Heimuli - dunno, maybe?
- Cam Davis - He is not a visionary yet. Overrated, but again, the offense. I have shreds of hope remaining.
- Irvin - Dude has been a walking talking injury so I dont know
Man, the 2018 class sucked ass in hindsight, holy shitballs.
https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2018-Football/Commits/
I don't think the 4* linemen from 2019/2020 can be considered overrated at this point (Tuitele, Bandes, Buelow, Kalepo, Fautanu, Murao, RoseGarden, Hatchett). Not many 4* linemen come in as underclassmen and dominate. They need marinating, especially with a lost year (two? three?). That excuse is gone for Tuli/Taki tho. Much disappoint.
Then there's Jacobe, Redman, Prentice, Tinae, Fabiculanan. The jury is still deliberating.
Man, many 4* recruits aint round no mo. Spiker, Yankoff, QB Sirmon, Osborne, Lowe, Latu, Nacua, Dylan Morris (wishful thinking), Calvert, Paama, Garbers, Jack Yary RIP, the other Latu... Woof.
The 4* slate has sucked the last few years, but not many remain who we can say are overrated. I can say that I'm excited about the futures of the 3* who have proven to be/may prove to be underrated (Hampton, ZTF, Curne, Trice, Sawyer, Bruener, Sunday, Esteen, GAAARD, Spears, Peihopa, Moore, Wyrsch, Heims). And who knows what the future holds for your friend and mine, Samuel Peacock? Only time will tell.
I don't know what to expect next year but we should have the horses to contend in the Norf. May the best team win.
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1to392831weretaken
New Fish
With all of the parity in the PAC-12, with every game being close and tough, I don't see why this Dwags squad can't make it to at least the NFC Championship Game.
For real, though, there are some massive roster holes that I just don't see being fixed. We're about to see DBU devolve into one of the worst secondaries in the conference in record tim. The quarterback situation is downright dire. The receivers catch more than they drop. Barely. Jake Westover is the #1 tight end. The only hope for the offensive line is that it was criminally mismanaged this season.
The 2019 team lost a shitload from the 2018 Wose Bow quitter squad, but I still saw what was coming up through the ranks and dooged (learned a valuable lesson there): BDGS quarterback, experienced OL, all of those 4-star receivers that DDY and Dennis jacked it to but never amounted to anything, Otton, every 4-star DT in the conference, and a bunch of young DB talent that I expected to step up immediately. Almost none of that "talent" was ready yet (or were just ranked improperly and sucked), and the team shit the bed.
2022? Seriously, what position do you feel good about? What cupboards are full? Both starting corners are gone. Next guy up (multiple game starter when Gordon was in the nickel) was a walk-on. I don't even remember seeing a fourth guy play at all outside. Speed at linebacker is just not there. DTs are not keeping the linebackers clean. DEs lose contain constantly and don't produce sacks. No need to even get specific about the offensive side of the ball.
This isn't just a Lake problem. This team is suffering from multiple years of poor evaluations and getting "starstruck," apparently. There's shockingly little evident talent relative to TBS talent. I've been wondering to myself about Chuck's S&C deficiencies theory myself since at least 2019. There's some kind of combination of absolute shit coaching, gaping holes in the talent pool, and a broken S&C program. That doesn't get fixed overnight, transfer portal or not.
I mean, right off the bat, this team (or any team) goes nowhere without a quarterback. I'm not certain we? have one.
For real, though, there are some massive roster holes that I just don't see being fixed. We're about to see DBU devolve into one of the worst secondaries in the conference in record tim. The quarterback situation is downright dire. The receivers catch more than they drop. Barely. Jake Westover is the #1 tight end. The only hope for the offensive line is that it was criminally mismanaged this season.
The 2019 team lost a shitload from the 2018 Wose Bow quitter squad, but I still saw what was coming up through the ranks and dooged (learned a valuable lesson there): BDGS quarterback, experienced OL, all of those 4-star receivers that DDY and Dennis jacked it to but never amounted to anything, Otton, every 4-star DT in the conference, and a bunch of young DB talent that I expected to step up immediately. Almost none of that "talent" was ready yet (or were just ranked improperly and sucked), and the team shit the bed.
2022? Seriously, what position do you feel good about? What cupboards are full? Both starting corners are gone. Next guy up (multiple game starter when Gordon was in the nickel) was a walk-on. I don't even remember seeing a fourth guy play at all outside. Speed at linebacker is just not there. DTs are not keeping the linebackers clean. DEs lose contain constantly and don't produce sacks. No need to even get specific about the offensive side of the ball.
This isn't just a Lake problem. This team is suffering from multiple years of poor evaluations and getting "starstruck," apparently. There's shockingly little evident talent relative to TBS talent. I've been wondering to myself about Chuck's S&C deficiencies theory myself since at least 2019. There's some kind of combination of absolute shit coaching, gaping holes in the talent pool, and a broken S&C program. That doesn't get fixed overnight, transfer portal or not.
I mean, right off the bat, this team (or any team) goes nowhere without a quarterback. I'm not certain we? have one.
For years all we heard was that UW was the most talented team in the conference. The defense is still good, despite the whinging here, and I think Huard will beat out Morris and be good. Who knows how Oregon ends up. Winning the north year 1 should be the minimum expectation. This conference fucking sucks.
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Big results would be 8-4 which shouldn't be enough to win the North. Personally, I don't see a ton of talent on the team and QB is a gaping hole on the roster if he doesn't get a portal transfer.
PasadenaHuskyFan
New Fish
We have zero depth at certain positions. And what… 7 commits? DeBoer has his work cut out for him. All you message board incels are used to instant gratification with HD internet porn.. if you want to go out and bang a real girl it takes a minute. The kids portaling into a 4-8 team won’t be the top rated portal kids even if DeBoer is an elite recruiter. Let him finish hiring a staff, show improvement on the field, rack up more wins than loses then win a bowl. Now He has something to recruit guys off of. Chill…
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BCoveysLifeInsPolicy
New Fish
I think year one’s success should be defined by the product on the field.
Fundamentals I want to see improved:
- blocking
- tackling
- route-running
- through-the-whistle effort on every down
- defense swarming to the ball
- QB not throwing the ball into the defensive line
If those improve enough, I could see us winning the North the first year, but I don’t hold that as the measure of this team’s success. Just play better.
Fundamentals I want to see improved:
- blocking
- tackling
- route-running
- through-the-whistle effort on every down
- defense swarming to the ball
- QB not throwing the ball into the defensive line
If those improve enough, I could see us winning the North the first year, but I don’t hold that as the measure of this team’s success. Just play better.
PasadenaHuskyFan
New Fish
I swear so many posters here instantly forgot how fucking shit this team was this year the second DeBoer was hired. One day he was the coach of a GOOD Fresno team the next the coach of the (arguably) shittiest Washington team since 0-12. Anyone expecting an instant turnaround to win the north year 1 is going to be disappointed.
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It was, but it was also with F level QB play and the team quit after ASU.
whatshouldicareabout
Active poster
Lost to Beavs by 3, UCLA by 7, Oregon by 10, ASU by 5, Colorado by 3, and Wazzu by 27.
If DeBoer and his offense can't turn those first 5 Lake losses into wins, then he's the wrong coach.
Win those 5 games and we win the north. Shouldn't be that hard in Year 1
TheHB
Well-known poster
This reminds me of the hollow praise Sark got his first year for turning around a winless team, when in reality, that winless team gave up on Willingham early and didn’t give a shit. Even with the shitty roster, that team should have won four games minimum.
Jump ahead to 2022, and doogs will be crowning DeBoner as the next Don James when UW goes 8-4 and plays in the Holiday Bowel.
Jump ahead to 2022, and doogs will be crowning DeBoner as the next Don James when UW goes 8-4 and plays in the Holiday Bowel.
0-12 had 5 win talent.
4-8 had 9 or 10 win talent.
Win or GTFO
HTH
PasadenaHuskyFan
New Fish
the pac was way stronger overall during 0-12... hth
Which means it's easier to hit 9 wins now.
Good argument against yourself.
PasadenaHuskyFan
New Fish
not arguing against any take I had. arguing against the idea that the 0-12 team was significantly worse than 4-8. Reading comprehension is hard.
Gladstone
New Fish
If Haener was coming in I'd feel very confident we at least tie for 1st in the North next year. Huard hasn't been coached in literally years so I can doog myself into hoping, but in my heart of hearts I am extremely worried that he is actually pretty damn awful. I think we're in trouble, barring another transfer portal QB savior.
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