What is considered "Success" for DeBoner?

[Tequilla]

Year 1 is all about instilling the culture change, developing the roster, and getting people bought in or bought out

8-4 is a really good bar … anything less and we should be really concerned

There’s reasons to be overly optimistic but there will be steps backwards before taking steps forward

The offense should turn the corner next year IMO … the talent is there

The defense is going to be a concern until proven otherwise … could be looking at a 1-3 year rebuild there to be honest

 

[AtomicDawg]

Year 1 is all about instilling the culture change, developing the roster, and getting people bought in or bought out

8-4 is a really good bar … anything less and we should be really concerned

There’s reasons to be overly optimistic but there will be steps backwards before taking steps forward

The offense should turn the corner next year IMO … the talent is there

The defense is going to be a concern until proven otherwise … could be looking at a 1-3 year rebuild there to be honest

Agree for the most part but….

Wazzu had a decent defense with far less talent. It doesn’t take 3 years to build a defense. That’s crazy.

If uw has good quarterback play and an avg defense there’s enough on this roster to win the north. That’s more about how shitty the conference is more than anything else. This may require finding a starter via the portal.

Utah had a shitty offense and their best player died in the off season, their best wideout transferred and they figured out how to improve and dominated the conference. They hit the portal for 3 tailbacks and improved. Coaching matters, especially when the majority of programs really do suck.

 

[Tequilla]

Year 1 is all about instilling the culture change, developing the roster, and getting people bought in or bought out

8-4 is a really good bar … anything less and we should be really concerned

There’s reasons to be overly optimistic but there will be steps backwards before taking steps forward

The offense should turn the corner next year IMO … the talent is there

The defense is going to be a concern until proven otherwise … could be looking at a 1-3 year rebuild there to be honest

Agree for the most part but….

Wazzu had a decent defense with far less talent. It doesn’t take 3 years to build a defense. That’s crazy.

If uw has good quarterback play and an avg defense there’s enough on this roster to win the north. That’s more about how shitty the conference is more than anything else. This may require finding a starter via the portal.

In fairness I said 1-3 years on the defense

My bigger point is that at least initially what success looks like for UW probably is going to reside in games going over the total

The secondary looks like a mess to me … good news is that creates opportunity in recruiting and it’s a position you can start early

LB is a bit of a LIPO to me as I don’t think we are terrible but probably lack some athleticism

DL we are big but not really athletic enough IMO … perhaps some scheme change will help here but it’s also a large concern

OLB/DE we have some guys there that could hit if they continue to develop

It’s probably an average at best Unit across the board

Just warning that things are likely to be very different defensively than what we’ve been used to for effectively a decade

 

[HFNY]

I agree with Tequilla though 7-5 is a possibility depending on who the QB is and how good Michigan State is in 2022.

I actually feel pretty good about the D except for the corners. The DL does have talent and the LBs will be good / experienced. Dom Hampton is a bad man at SS and there are some decent options for FS.

Covid eligibility rules helped UW due to the small 2021 and 2022 classes and the 2023 class can then be a loaded one.

 

[Tequilla]

I agree with Tequilla though 7-5 is a possibility depending on who the QB is and how good Michigan State is in 2022.

I actually feel pretty good about the D except for the corners. The DL does have talent and the LBs will be good / experienced. Dom Hampton is a bad man at SS and there are some decent options for FS.

Covid eligibility rules helped UW due to the small 2021 and 2022 classes and the 2023 class can then be a loaded one.

It’s imperative that we have a massive 2023 class … lots of opportunity for this staff to sell

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

Year 1 is all about instilling the culture change, developing the roster, and getting people bought in or bought out

8-4 is a really good bar … anything less and we should be really concerned

There’s reasons to be overly optimistic but there will be steps backwards before taking steps forward

The offense should turn the corner next year IMO … the talent is there

The defense is going to be a concern until proven otherwise … could be looking at a 1-3 year rebuild there to be honest

8-4 could be good enough to win the North next year...

 

[1to392831weretaken]

The secondary looks like a mess to me … good news is that creates opportunity in recruiting and it’s a position you can start early

I've pointed this out as well, and I think it's a really underrated aspect of the challenge for next year. There are two corners off to the NFL. What was behind them? Mishael Powell, who I thought played pretty well for a young walk-on, but there's a big difference between that and a pair of NFL guys. I didn't watch ever game, and punished my liver when I was stupid enough to watch, but I don't recall even seeing a fourth corner put into the games. Surely it happened, but it must have been awfully rare. What does that suggest to me about the guys like Covington, who many here seem to think will pop right in there and be fine? It means that they couldn't be trusted on the field. At least not as much as the walk-on.

That's what's coming up at corner.

As for the safeties, I liked Bookie, but he's gone. I didn't see anybody else who wasn't a liability against either run or pass. Those hoping that it was just terrible scheme holding these guys back are setting themselves up for disappointment.

The front six has not proven to be able to cover every gap and stop the run, but I just don't see a secondary that's good enough to move out of base nickel on all but the most obvious run downs. Not enough strength/explosiveness at DT, not enough speed at LB, and a secondary without a single player who has demonstrated three-down reliability and upper tier playmaking.

 

[chuck]

The secondary looks like a mess to me … good news is that creates opportunity in recruiting and it’s a position you can start early

I've pointed this out as well, and I think it's a really underrated aspect of the challenge for next year. There are two corners off to the NFL. What was behind them? Mishael Powell, who I thought played pretty well for a young walk-on, but there's a big difference between that and a pair of NFL guys. I didn't watch ever game, and punished my liver when I was stupid enough to watch, but I don't recall even seeing a fourth corner put into the games. Surely it happened, but it must have been awfully rare. What does that suggest to me about the guys like Covington, who many here seem to think will pop right in there and be fine? It means that they couldn't be trusted on the field. At least not as much as the walk-on.

That's what's coming up at corner.

As for the safeties, I liked Bookie, but he's gone. I didn't see anybody else who wasn't a liability against either run or pass. Those hoping that it was just terrible scheme holding these guys back are setting themselves up for disappointment.

The front six has not proven to be able to cover every gap and stop the run, but I just don't see a secondary that's good enough to move out of base nickel on all but the most obvious run downs. Not enough strength/explosiveness at DT, not enough speed at LB, and a secondary without a single player who has demonstrated three-down reliability and upper tier playmaking.

A lot of things have to get a lot better or UW is a .500 team next year. Secondary play I'm coverage and run support both have to be huge concerns, along with ILB, OLB, and DL.

I think the long snapper should make a huge leap and Henry is really good at getting touch backs. It's just all the other units that need a near total turnaround. Piece of cake.

 

[GreenRiverGatorz]

The secondary looks like a mess to me … good news is that creates opportunity in recruiting and it’s a position you can start early

I've pointed this out as well, and I think it's a really underrated aspect of the challenge for next year. There are two corners off to the NFL. What was behind them? Mishael Powell, who I thought played pretty well for a young walk-on, but there's a big difference between that and a pair of NFL guys. I didn't watch ever game, and punished my liver when I was stupid enough to watch, but I don't recall even seeing a fourth corner put into the games. Surely it happened, but it must have been awfully rare. What does that suggest to me about the guys like Covington, who many here seem to think will pop right in there and be fine? It means that they couldn't be trusted on the field. At least not as much as the walk-on.

That's what's coming up at corner.

As for the safeties, I liked Bookie, but he's gone. I didn't see anybody else who wasn't a liability against either run or pass. Those hoping that it was just terrible scheme holding these guys back are setting themselves up for disappointment.

The front six has not proven to be able to cover every gap and stop the run, but I just don't see a secondary that's good enough to move out of base nickel on all but the most obvious run downs. Not enough strength/explosiveness at DT, not enough speed at LB, and a secondary without a single player who has demonstrated three-down reliability and upper tier playmaking.

A lot of things have to get a lot better or UW is a .500 team next year. Secondary play I'm coverage and run support both have to be huge concerns, along with ILB, OLB, and DL.

I think the long snapper should make a huge leap and Henry is really good at getting touch backs. It's just all the other units that need a near total turnaround. Piece of cake.

Not sure I agree. This limp dick team was already close to .500 as it was. Going 8-4 or worse is really fucking easy when you play in a conference like this. If you have a coach who isn't a raging retard then you're already 81% of the way there.

 

[chuck]

The secondary looks like a mess to me … good news is that creates opportunity in recruiting and it’s a position you can start early

I've pointed this out as well, and I think it's a really underrated aspect of the challenge for next year. There are two corners off to the NFL. What was behind them? Mishael Powell, who I thought played pretty well for a young walk-on, but there's a big difference between that and a pair of NFL guys. I didn't watch ever game, and punished my liver when I was stupid enough to watch, but I don't recall even seeing a fourth corner put into the games. Surely it happened, but it must have been awfully rare. What does that suggest to me about the guys like Covington, who many here seem to think will pop right in there and be fine? It means that they couldn't be trusted on the field. At least not as much as the walk-on.

That's what's coming up at corner.

As for the safeties, I liked Bookie, but he's gone. I didn't see anybody else who wasn't a liability against either run or pass. Those hoping that it was just terrible scheme holding these guys back are setting themselves up for disappointment.

The front six has not proven to be able to cover every gap and stop the run, but I just don't see a secondary that's good enough to move out of base nickel on all but the most obvious run downs. Not enough strength/explosiveness at DT, not enough speed at LB, and a secondary without a single player who has demonstrated three-down reliability and upper tier playmaking.

A lot of things have to get a lot better or UW is a .500 team next year. Secondary play I'm coverage and run support both have to be huge concerns, along with ILB, OLB, and DL.

I think the long snapper should make a huge leap and Henry is really good at getting touch backs. It's just all the other units that need a near total turnaround. Piece of cake.

Not sure I agree. This limp dick team was already close to .500 as it was. Going 8-4 or worse is really fucking easy when you play in a conference like this. If you have a coach who isn't a raging retard then you're already 81% of the way there.

I was joking but it's a big task to shake off the lose that set in. If UW had gotten up at least a bit for the AC and not turned it into the ugliest loss since the Sark days I'd be a little less concerned. That was my last image of the team though.

 

[digits]

Same as it ever was with a new HC: Win the conference by the third season. Anything less, cut bait, and start over.

 

[RoadTrip]

There can be no real success until gender equity is achieved on the field

 

[ChillyDawg]

He should gain his footing in year one but a winning record and a decent bowl game are in order this upcoming season...

 

[Mad_Son]

It all starts with winning the off-season natty. If we don't do that then we're on the wrong trajectory. If we're on the right trajectory then if it is year 1, 2, or 3 it doesn't matter so much as long as we get there. Realistically year 1 or 2 should be achievable but it could be 3 if things are close in earlier seasons.