We have nothing left to play for and neither will UCLA so I actually doubt they get up for the game.
I would have been more worried if winning out was on the line as UCLA loves to ruin other people's seasons while going 4-8.
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I would have been more worried if winning out was on the line as UCLA loves to ruin other people's seasons while going 4-8.
Tequilla
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Whether Fisch is the answer or not at this point honestly isn't really the question
The problem is that if you lose Fisch now you're going to lose the roster and almost assuredly not going to be in the same spot going into next year
For program stability it's best to keep Fisch …
We can have every debate possible about Sark 2.0 and that's fine … but even though it isn't popular Sark stabilized the program and upgraded the talent level that set the stage for what CP was able to do
What's your ceiling with the next hire given how many openings there are? Wilcox?
That's why I'm not interested in going after a new coach this offseason …
PurpleJ
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If I still cared about UW football and wasn’t a Tide/Patriots fan, I’d tell all the retarded faggot doogs like @Tequilla and @PostGameOrangeSlices to die in a fucking fire with an open window so as to avoid asphyxiation and truly suffer as their flesh boils right off the bones. Good thing I don’t care and have moved on so I don’t have to say something terrible like that.
Was going to say. This is a Jimmy Lake operation with better recruiting.
That you made up some bullshit that isn't true to make your doog self feel better.
For program stability it's best to keep Fisch …
Seems like beta talk
Seems like beta talk
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I said we aren’t very good and I’m not that surprised we lost. I enjoy a good doog sesh, but my main point was that we didn’t lose because Fisch and the team was distracted. This was the norm. Placing blame on coaching rumors is the doogy nonsense.
Wisconsin has also been playing a little better since getting shut out and plungered at home vs Iowa. They still suck.
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creepycoug
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If by "program stability" you mean struggling to break .500 in league play for the rest of eternity and crossing your fingers you get a super easy road schedule every 5 or 6 years, then yeah, keeping this guy would lead to stability.
imagine, though, how bad things could get if this guy actually feels comfortable in this job? this is what he's delivering feeling a little heat.
churn and burn is the name of the game today. at the absurd salaries these guys command, it's an appropriate market dynamic.
how long does Vegas keep a headliner employed who doesn't pack the house? how many $80+ million budget movies does a star get from Hollywood who doesn't make it back?
coaches are no longer the curmudgeon, grizzled, alcoholic PE teachers who ruled their programs but were not part of the spectacle. today, they are more celebrated than most of the players.
with that status, they get the hook as quickly as players always have. it's put up or shut up.
program stability is an old thing. you can suck one year and contend the next with the right moves. gotta make the moves. It's not 1990 anymore.
creepycoug
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Dude, you've been a bender lately.
Fuck off already. What he said was totally in line. Said Washington isn't very good and pointed out the road record. Wisconsin has been playing a little more inspired lately. And, yes, their TD against Oregon was a garbage time prayer but don't tell me Oregon skated through that game; they didn't. I watched it.
The Wisconsin loss is completely inexcusable and damn near on par with Jimmy losing to Montana, but I on record always thought that was going to have to be a game UW would win like 14-13. It was only a 10 point spread, remember? UW was not expected to blow them out.
Wisconsin is a classic team in a power conference that has massive flaws, but was not a go 0-9 team and part of their record going in was having an insane schedule (their games going into the UW game were at Bama, Maryland, at Michigan, Iowa, Ohio State, and at Dux). They were going to beat someone, probably someone soft and overrated, at home. I was hoping it would Illinois, but they'll probably beat them too.
The Sark program stability stuff has some merit, but is also dated. This isn't a world anymore where if your coach leaves guys like John Ross, Vita, Shaq Thompson, Shelton, Kekaha, Peters, etc are staying, and it's not just that the better guys on the roster will follow Fisch, every other school in the country will come poaching. Also, my god did Sark have more talent in here than Fisch.
Wisconsin is a classic team in a power conference that has massive flaws, but was not a go 0-9 team and part of their record going in was having an insane schedule (their games going into the UW game were at Bama, Maryland, at Michigan, Iowa, Ohio State, and at Dux). They were going to beat someone, probably someone soft and overrated, at home. I was hoping it would Illinois, but they'll probably beat them too.
The Sark program stability stuff has some merit, but is also dated. This isn't a world anymore where if your coach leaves guys like John Ross, Vita, Shaq Thompson, Shelton, Kekaha, Peters, etc are staying, and it's not just that the better guys on the roster will follow Fisch, every other school in the country will come poaching. Also, my god did Sark have more talent in here than Fisch.
Sark would have taken all the front line players from the 2014 team that went 8-6 with him to USC. Shaq, Kikaha, Peters etc. Maybe Ross although he’d been fighting injuries. Vita was a recruit that could have jumped to USC but was re-sold on UW by Pete. The young guys from that team that contributed to the 2016 run are probably still at UW as Sark probably thought he could upgrade them through recruiting at USC. 14 and 15 are most likely a lot better records at UW because Pete could have taken the very best from Boise to help him set his program culture here at UW. Remember, The 2015 Boise team won the Fiesta Bowl. I’ll bet they go 9-5 in 2014 and 9-4 or 10-3 in 2015.
I surely do miss the era of relative coaching stability and @creepycoug starting sentences with a capital letter.
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Tequilla
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There are plenty of legit reasons to question whether giving Jedd an extension is good business … I'm not immune to that line of thinking
I do see some significant roster gaps that we still need 1-2 more classes to cover the institutional rot that was in place after the 2023 season … those paying attention know that DeBoer's recruiting wasn't good and that the roster that Jedd inherited was not good.
IF Jedd leaves then the odds of taking at least 1 step backwards in terms of the roster and we're looking at likely a 2-3 year rebuild. It's easy to say "go spend money to buy a roster" but what gives you any confidence that UW and Pat Chun will be doing that?
When people ask "who to hire" if Jedd leaves, it's an honest one. Maybe you can get a better coach but they don't have the roster to bring with them … it's all about getting the players right?
I do think Jedd has a relatively good floor here in the 8+ win range. I do think it's fair to question how often he can get to the 10+ range. Saturday at Wisconsin didn't help in that regard.
My opinion is that I'd rather push the decision on Jedd leaving (either because he's not good enough and gets fired or he is good enough and goes to the NFL, etc.) to 1-2 years down the road. I'd rather be facing a scenario of going into the coaching market in what is likely a better position than where we are today.
But I can completely understand not extending him or whatever is being more to the program's benefit than Jedd's benefit.
I can completely understand choosing the $10M buyout if someone (UCLA) chooses to poach him.
Regardless UW isn't operating from a position of strength here and that's not a good thing
I also don't trust Chun at all … so there's that
creepycoug
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I'm ESL man. Don't hate; motivate.
Sides, I was pulling for your Doyers. Help a guy out.
@creepycoug por la gente guey
creepycoug
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Dude, if you haven't before, listen to radio coverage of the world series in Spanish. I listened to 80% of game 7 on my way back from wherever. Those guys are fucking hilarious and awesome.
@creepycoug por la gente guey
His floor is 6 wins. It's what he's done.
The "who could we get" argument is, and always has been, retarded. It's not an honest question, it's why the halfbrain revolution started. There are 8 billion people on earth. Don't be a fucking pussy because you're afraid UW might do worse than Fisch. It's a logical fallacy to flip that impetus onto the fans wanting a coach gone. We don't need to be the ones who know the answer, we can be the ones who know there's a problem.
Oh, and the answer is "someone better". That's who you could get. The Eagles fired Doug Pederson 3 years after winning a Super Bowl and got a better coach.
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