Trump's DOJ demands to see WA State's voter rolls. Why? What are they looking for?

[AOG]

I called this one out a month or two ago from a source in state government. The DOL and SoS are shitting bricks because the DOL is registering voters with no checks on citizenship. They aren’t even asking if you are citizen.

This sounds like bullshit. I think DOL just redirects user to the Elections registration site. Examine question #2. I guess you could lie about it but that would be a felony. To truly check citizenship they'd need a birth certificate or passport. That's what Trump is demanding. Many would have it.

https://www.sos.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2023-07/VRF_English.pdf

 

[graveyardDEADdawg]

We've been through this political theatre before:
A total of 44 states refused Trump’s voter data requests on grounds that disclosing the data would constitute an invasion of privacy of its citizens.
Forty-four states showed a spine. There aren't 44 blue states.

Still stings daddy won the popular vote, I feel for you.

 

[Bob_C]

Take it up with the justice department. The state does no verification of citizenship for voter roles.

 

[AOG]

Take it up with the justice department. The state does no verification of citizenship for voter roles.

First, you made the claim they didn't even ask which is false. They have a variety of means to make sure you live at the address you say, I believe. But as far as checking birth certificates, how to you plan to manage that without introducing huge problems? That's been the debate.

 

[AOG]

The issue I have never understood is why anyone who is truly not a US citizen would really risk a felony for one vote? It probably does happen. Would you risk it? I wouldn't.

 

[WestlinnDuck]

Because there is no risk in a lot of places. No checking, no risk. You used to have to show a US birth certificate to get a state driver's license. Then it would be easy to cross check DMV records against voting rolls to both confirm citizenship and your actual residence. It's illegal in many states to vote harvest but dems still do it. Did you know its illegal to kill people and yet it happens all the time. Should make shoplifting illegal. That will stop it.

 

[AOG]

In order to really prove US citizenship you likely need not just a birth certificate but a notarized one. The problem is that it sets up a lot gotchas for people, there may be name changes to contend with, some other state may be very slow to produce the certificate, it may be lost, who the fuck knows? That's why they can't practically check it. Idiots like Trump keep insisting it is necessary.

 

[Bob_C]

In order to really prove US citizenship you likely need not just a birth certificate but a notarized one. The problem is that it sets up a lot gotchas for people, there may be name changes to contend with, some other state may be very slow to produce the certificate, it may be lost, who the fuck knows? That's why they can't practically check it. Idiots like Trump keep insisting it is necessary.

The Feds know who is a citizen. This isn’t a hard solve.

 

[thechatch]

The issue I have never understood is why anyone who is truly not a US citizen would really risk a felony for one vote? It probably does happen. Would you risk it? I wouldn't.

It’s only a felony if they can prove you were aware of the law in the first place which makes it essentially impossible to prosecute effectively.

there is almost zero risk to the person casting the vote.

 

[AOG]

In order to really prove US citizenship you likely need not just a birth certificate but a notarized one. The problem is that it sets up a lot gotchas for people, there may be name changes to contend with, some other state may be very slow to produce the certificate, it may be lost, who the fuck knows? That's why they can't practically check it. Idiots like Trump keep insisting it is necessary.

The Feds know who is a citizen. This isn’t a hard solve.

I see you can use your last 4 digits of SSN on the form so they have some way of FED lookup. They probably do check it against the person's name. If some of these checks fail the state could demand more info.

 

[AOG]

The issue I have never understood is why anyone who is truly not a US citizen would really risk a felony for one vote? It probably does happen. Would you risk it? I wouldn't.

It’s only a felony if they can prove you were aware of the law in the first place which makes it essentially impossible to prosecute effectively.

there is almost zero risk to the person casting the vote.

Fuck, what a load of bullshit. They teach in elementary school not knowing the law is not a defense.

 

[theknowledge]

We've been through this political theatre before:
A total of 44 states refused Trump’s voter data requests on grounds that disclosing the data would constitute an invasion of privacy of its citizens.
Forty-four states showed a spine. There aren't 44 blue states.

If 44 states refused data requests then I’d assume 44 states are cheating in one way or another. I’d like that cleaned up whether they are red or blue leaning. Wouldn’t you? Information is so easily traded and stolen in this world, what do they think they’re actually protecting?

 

[EverettChris]

The issue I have never understood is why anyone who is truly not a US citizen would really risk a felony for one vote? It probably does happen. Would you risk it? I wouldn't.

It’s only a felony if they can prove you were aware of the law in the first place which makes it essentially impossible to prosecute effectively.

there is almost zero risk to the person casting the vote.

Fuck, what a load of bullshit. They teach in elementary school not knowing the law is not a defense.

Basically it’s the honor system, and in increasing numbers, Democrat leadership has no honor. I won’t blame the illegals casting ballots for the most part as it can be a condition of employment as an illegal alien, or even with a threat of deportation if they won’t allow their ballot to be farmed as solid Democrat.
Dem leadership knows what they’re doing.

 

[WestlinnDuck]

The issue I have never understood is why anyone who is truly not a US citizen would really risk a felony for one vote? It probably does happen. Would you risk it? I wouldn't.

It’s only a felony if they can prove you were aware of the law in the first place which makes it essentially impossible to prosecute effectively.

there is almost zero risk to the person casting the vote.

Fuck, what a load of bullshit. They teach in elementary school not knowing the law is not a defense.

Worked for PIPS and she was an actual Yale Law School graduate and member of the Arkansas bar and a partner in one of Little Rocks biggest law firms. And yet they let her off because she didn't intend to have an illegal private server for top secret communications or that she didn't intend to destroy evidence that has been subpoenaed.

 

[AOG]

Full AI report. There is a cross state DMV check

• Identity Verification: WA driver’s license/ID or last-4 SSN is matched against DOL or SSA databases. No match → provisional status until acceptable ID is provided.
• Address Verification: Non-forwardable notices mailed to confirm addresses. Undeliverable mail triggers confirmation notices; lack of response → inactive, then canceled after two general elections.
• Eligibility (Citizenship, Age, Felony): Applicants attest under penalty of perjury to being U.S. citizens, 18+, and not serving a felony prison sentence. Monthly checks against DOC remove ineligible felons.
• Online Registration: Requires WA driver’s license/ID; automated DOL match plus signature import.
• In-Person/Paper Registration: Paper or in-person forms accepted. If no ID, first-time voters must show ID at voting. Same-day registration available at vote centers.
• Ongoing Roll Maintenance:
• Legal Framework: RCW Title 29A (notably 29A.08.010, 107, 510, 520, 605–630), WAC 434-324-090, HAVA, and NVRA.

Official Resources & References

• WA Secretary of State – Register to Vote:
  
• Revised Code of Washington (Title 29A – Elections):
  Title 29A RCW: ELECTIONS
• WA Administrative Code – Elections (WAC 434):
  Title 434 WAC:
• VoteWA Online Portal:
  VoteWA Voter Portal
• ERIC (Electronic Registration Information Center):
  Home - ERIC, Inc.

 

[Bob_C]

You are describing a process. The problem they are having with the DOJ is that they don’t actually follow it…

 

[AOG]

You are describing a process. The problem they are having with the DOJ is that they don’t actually follow it…

It sounds like you abandoned your first unprovable and false contention, now moving on to another contention even less provable. You're a notch smarter than most of the trumptards here. It's a disappointment.

 

[EverettChris]

You are describing a process. The problem they are having with the DOJ is that they don’t actually follow it…

The autistic mind won’t be able to process the disconnect between a process and the reality that as of now, there is no accountability of check/balance for failure to follow the processes in federal elections.

 

[Bob_C]

The state has internally been freaking out about this coming DOJ case for months. They aren’t freaking out over nothing.

 

[WestlinnDuck]

Imagine that the illegal illegally stole a Social Security number and then used that same number to register to vote. The dementia patient's administration was handing out SSNs like candy.