Texas Recruiting - WAM Appetizer

[UW_Doog_Bot]

And let's not bury the headline here. We all know that close to half the staff are below average recruiters. Four of our coaches could have been living in Justin Flowe's house for the last year and he still wouldn't come here. This is just as much or more an argument for quality recruiters over quantity of time spent.

So basically it comes down to trust the coaches.

But also the coaches who can't recruit will suck no matter what?

I will reiterate a point I made earlier- one of our coaches has a reputation for taking layups and being lazy in recruiting. That coach also has the most disproportionate amount of offers out in Texas.

Don't you think he should be focusing his limited time on trying to hit home runs in California?

At this point Junior Adams, Scott Huff, Malloe and Lake can do whatever the fuck they want. But the other coaches need to focus on the highest percentage targets they can. They don't have time to spare on wild goose chases.

You glossed over my main point. We have four coaches who could be living at recruit's houses in Cali and get shit results. You can keep sending a shitty salesman to a business every day but there won't be a sale.[/b] Time is the secondary issue here. Sending Adams Malloe Huff and Lake 5% of the time to Texas would probably be as effective as sending Gregory K Papoa and Bhonopha 100% of the time to Cali.

2) There's little opportunity cost to us recruiting Texas. We might as well do it.

This is a hilariously bad take. Are recruiting schedules intense? Are coaches' times valuable? If the answer to either of questions is "no" then fucking fire the coach.[/b] Every trip taken to Texas is a trip not taken to Utah, Arizona, California, Oregon, etc. and often times because of the distance is worth two of the others.

Kwat is the only one who obv gets a pass. Still, he should be developing relationships in our footprint so he can have a better shot.

We keep sending Will Fucking Harris to Texas who has natural ties to SoCal.

 

[Tequilla]

The question always comes down to what the cost is

The argument against recruiting Texas is that we can be doing better in California. But who in California are we really missing on?
[/b]
I get all the arguments but the reality is that culture and fit matter a lot to this staff. Those that receive what we are about will gravitate towards us. Those that don’t wont.

Ultimately the key in Texas is gaining traction. Getting a player like Levi is huge. As the Texas players on our roster produce and get to the league our reputation will only further grow there.

Until there’s tangible evidence that our efforts in Texas are wasted, then it’s a worthwhile INVESTMENT for the program to make if they deem that they have the resources to devote to it

Justin Flowe, Elias Ricks, Clark Phillips, Kendall Milton, Jordan Banks...

You can put the time and effort into situations but that doesn’t mean it’s valuable time

Flower by all outward appearances wasn’t interested in us

Ricks is all about the SEC

Milton likewise thought the grass was greener elsewhere

Jordan Banks still is an outstanding item

This idea that you’re going to get everything you target is insanely flawed

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

The question always comes down to what the cost is

The argument against recruiting Texas is that we can be doing better in California. But who in California are we really missing on?
[/b]
I get all the arguments but the reality is that culture and fit matter a lot to this staff. Those that receive what we are about will gravitate towards us. Those that don’t wont.

Ultimately the key in Texas is gaining traction. Getting a player like Levi is huge. As the Texas players on our roster produce and get to the league our reputation will only further grow there.

Until there’s tangible evidence that our efforts in Texas are wasted, then it’s a worthwhile INVESTMENT for the program to make if they deem that they have the resources to devote to it

Justin Flowe, Elias Ricks, Clark Phillips, Kendall Milton, Jordan Banks...

You can put the time and effort into situations but that doesn’t mean it’s valuable time

Flower by all outward appearances wasn’t interested in us

Ricks is all about the SEC

Milton likewise thought the grass was greener elsewhere

Jordan Banks still is an outstanding item

This idea that you’re going to get everything you target is insanely flawed[/b]

Literally no one has said or implied that. JFC.

 

[whuggy]

And let's not bury the headline here. We all know that close to half the staff are below average recruiters. Four of our coaches could have been living in Justin Flowe's house for the last year and he still wouldn't come here. This is just as much or more an argument for quality recruiters over quantity of time spent.

So basically it comes down to trust the coaches.

But also the coaches who can't recruit will suck no matter what?

I will reiterate a point I made earlier- one of our coaches has a reputation for taking layups and being lazy in recruiting. That coach also has the most disproportionate amount of offers out in Texas.

Don't you think he should be focusing his limited time on trying to hit home runs in California?

At this point Junior Adams, Scott Huff, Malloe and Lake can do whatever the fuck they want. But the other coaches need to focus on the highest percentage targets they can. They don't have time to spare on wild goose chases.

You glossed over my main point. We have four coaches who could be living at recruit's houses in Cali and get shit results. You can keep sending a shitty salesman to a business every day but there won't be a sale. Time is the secondary issue here. Sending Adams Malloe Huff and Lake 5% of the time to Texas would probably be as effective as sending Gregory K Papoa and Bhonopha 100% of the time to Cali.

No, I just totally disagree with it. We aren't employing basement dwelling keyboard jockeys who are somewhere on the spectrum.

These guys all know how to relate to players. Some better than others and yes some are killer closers and some aren't but recruiting these kids and their families is largely about putting the time in and forming relationships.

Some coaches love the pursuit and get after it all day every day. Some view it as secondary to the actual coaching part of the job.

If you don't love recruiting then applying your time efficiently is absolutely crucial.

Ok then. Here's my final question for you. Whoever was recruiting Botelho, Herbig and Flowe, I don't know if it was K or Gregory or both. Do you honestly feel an extra visit that they lost by going to Texas was the difference in not getting those kids much less even get them to visit?

 

[Tequilla]

The question always comes down to what the cost is

The argument against recruiting Texas is that we can be doing better in California. But who in California are we really missing on?

I get all the arguments but the reality is that culture and fit matter a lot to this staff. Those that receive what we are about will gravitate towards us. Those that don’t wont.

Ultimately the key in Texas is gaining traction. Getting a player like Levi is huge. As the Texas players on our roster produce and get to the league our reputation will only further grow there.

Until there’s tangible evidence that our efforts in Texas are wasted, then it’s a worthwhile INVESTMENT for the program to make if they deem that they have the resources to devote to it

Yeah I don't get the argument that resources are wasted by recruiting Texas. Take LSU. People should say that they are wasting resources by recruiting California and Utah. Two non-traditional areas for them. But that has resulted in them getting Elias Ricks and Siaki Ika the last two cycles.[/b] Yes Orgeron has connections in Cali but Petersen has the same connections in Texas as he has been recruiting there forever. Also if UW continues to be nationally relevant that exposure does some of the initial footwork needed to get the attention of Texas recruits. People make it sound like it's some kind of big time allocation devoted to Texas when it's just not true. If it's 5% of your recruiting allocation time and you pull 1 out of 20 kids in a recruiting cycle that sounds okay to me. And as you get better the quality of that 1 recruit also gets better.

Except those are elite talents of which there are few in the nation. UW isn't going after kids like that in Texas. They are recruiting mostly "diamonds in the rough" or guys who are overlooked etc.

The SEC/Clemson is better positioned to come West right now than UW is of winning battles going East

For better or worse there is a massive perception issue within the P12 right now with elite recruits and winning at the highest levels

If anything, doubling down on anchoring in traditional areas without a contingency plan is recipe for disaster

 

[Neighbor2972]

And let's not bury the headline here. We all know that close to half the staff are below average recruiters. Four of our coaches could have been living in Justin Flowe's house for the last year and he still wouldn't come here. This is just as much or more an argument for quality recruiters over quantity of time spent.

So basically it comes down to trust the coaches.

But also the coaches who can't recruit will suck no matter what?

I will reiterate a point I made earlier- one of our coaches has a reputation for taking layups and being lazy in recruiting. That coach also has the most disproportionate amount of offers out in Texas.

Don't you think he should be focusing his limited time on trying to hit home runs in California?

At this point Junior Adams, Scott Huff, Malloe and Lake can do whatever the fuck they want. But the other coaches need to focus on the highest percentage targets they can. They don't have time to spare on wild goose chases.

And let's not bury the headline here. We all know that close to half the staff are below average recruiters. Four of our coaches could have been living in Justin Flowe's house for the last year and he still wouldn't come here. This is just as much or more an argument for quality recruiters over quantity of time spent.

So basically it comes down to trust the coaches.

But also the coaches who can't recruit will suck no matter what?

I will reiterate a point I made earlier- one of our coaches has a reputation for taking layups and being lazy in recruiting. That coach also has the most disproportionate amount of offers out in Texas.

Don't you think he should be focusing his limited time on trying to hit home runs in California?

At this point Junior Adams, Scott Huff, Malloe and Lake can do whatever the fuck they want. But the other coaches need to focus on the highest percentage targets they can. They don't have time to spare on wild goose chases.

You glossed over my main point. We have four coaches who could be living at recruit's houses in Cali and get shit results. You can keep sending a shitty salesman to a business every day but there won't be a sale. Time is the secondary issue here. Sending Adams Malloe Huff and Lake 5% of the time to Texas would probably be as effective as sending Gregory K Papoa and Bhonopha 100% of the time to Cali.

I think you're both right. The main problem is bad recruiters. If we had a full staff of recruiters we could recruit Texas and the West fairly easily.

But since we don't, prioritizing Texas enables our bad recruiters and doesn't address the issue. The bad recruiters fail in California and settle for someone in Texas they convince themselves is good.

And again my biggest problem is that Will Harris should be running point on every kid from LA and any other use of him doesn't really make sense.

 

[Houhusky]

And let's not bury the headline here. We all know that close to half the staff are below average recruiters. Four of our coaches could have been living in Justin Flowe's house for the last year and he still wouldn't come here. This is just as much or more an argument for quality recruiters over quantity of time spent.

So basically it comes down to trust the coaches.

But also the coaches who can't recruit will suck no matter what?

I will reiterate a point I made earlier- one of our coaches has a reputation for taking layups and being lazy in recruiting. That coach also has the most disproportionate amount of offers out in Texas.

Don't you think he should be focusing his limited time on trying to hit home runs in California?

At this point Junior Adams, Scott Huff, Malloe and Lake can do whatever the fuck they want. But the other coaches need to focus on the highest percentage targets they can. They don't have time to spare on wild goose chases.

You glossed over my main point. We have four coaches who could be living at recruit's houses in Cali and get shit results. You can keep sending a shitty salesman to a business every day but there won't be a sale. Time is the secondary issue here. Sending Adams Malloe Huff and Lake 5% of the time to Texas would probably be as effective as sending Gregory K Papoa and Bhonopha 100% of the time to Cali.

So what was your point? because all I also got was "trust the coaches"

That some coaches are so bad that it doesnt matter if they waste their time because their time is so worthless anyways?

That some salesmen suck even with the home-field advantage and therefore we should send them to make sales in one of the most competitive areas in the country against some of the best salesmen in the country?

Or that some coaches suck at recruiting on the staff and others dont, and because of that, Texas... or something?

 

[Ballz]

There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one.[/b] They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas. So who gives a fuck? We would not have had a better chance at getting Justin Flowe or Elias Ricks or whoever the fuck you think we could have gotten had we not recruited Texas at all this class. Some West coast kids are just not coming here no matter what. Even when UW wins a national title, there will still be a few elite West coast kids that don't want to come here.

If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.

Plus, Texas kids just know how to play the game because the high school coaching down there is really good. We haven't had any Texas busts on this roster. They have played major roles already (Fuller and Onwuzurike) or will very soon (Curne the #2 RG and Rice the #2 Buck).

LOL sure in Ballz' fantasy reality where we never miss on kids then of course you can be 100% certain we wouldn't have better results in a different hypothetical universe.

What might be even more unbelievable is you are using a sample size of 6 players, 2 of which have actually played, to say that Texas kids "just know how to play the game" so they won't be busts.

Fuller: Starter
Onwuzurike: Starter
Rice: 2-deep this season
Curne: 2-deep this season

You don't count guys who aren't even on campus yet. That's four guys who are all either starters, will be starters in the near future, and a quality rotational guy in Myles Rice who has made a big jump in his skill set and will make plays this season. We don't have any busts from Texas.

 

[whuggy]

And let's not bury the headline here. We all know that close to half the staff are below average recruiters. Four of our coaches could have been living in Justin Flowe's house for the last year and he still wouldn't come here. This is just as much or more an argument for quality recruiters over quantity of time spent.

So basically it comes down to trust the coaches.

But also the coaches who can't recruit will suck no matter what?

I will reiterate a point I made earlier- one of our coaches has a reputation for taking layups and being lazy in recruiting. That coach also has the most disproportionate amount of offers out in Texas.

Don't you think he should be focusing his limited time on trying to hit home runs in California?

At this point Junior Adams, Scott Huff, Malloe and Lake can do whatever the fuck they want. But the other coaches need to focus on the highest percentage targets they can. They don't have time to spare on wild goose chases.

You glossed over my main point. We have four coaches who could be living at recruit's houses in Cali and get shit results. You can keep sending a shitty salesman to a business every day but there won't be a sale. Time is the secondary issue here. Sending Adams Malloe Huff and Lake 5% of the time to Texas would probably be as effective as sending Gregory K Papoa and Bhonopha 100% of the time to Cali.

So what was your point? because all I also got was "trust the coaches"

That some coaches are so bad that it doesnt matter if they waste their time because their time is so worthless anyways?

That some salesmen suck even with the home-field advantage and therefore we should send them to make sales in one of the most competitive areas in the country against some of the best salesmen in the country?

Or that some coaches suck at recruiting on the staff and others dont, and because of that, Texas... or something?

I think my point is pretty simple. Shitty recruiters have a way more damaging effect than spending minimal time in Texas. I've literally said 3 or 4 times now spend 5% of your time in Texas.

 

[Ballz]

Glad you could bring the AIDS to what is a decent thread.

There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.

Every single recruit out West that UW wanted and missed on was because they are "making an investment" recruiting Texas. Every single one. They clearly do not have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.... Damn its fun to make both wrong, overly definitive, and impossible to prove/disprove statements... Now I get it.

If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.

"hidden gems" is this NCAA 14 or something?

Filling out an opening or two in the bottom of the class with high ceiling/low cost recruit is fine. Its extremely difficult in a state like Texas because you either have to spend a lot of resources finding that overlooked "gem" that every other schools in the country somehow missed (because everyone looks at Texas) OR you have to recruit directly against a school with a massive recruiting advantage.

Name the exact recruits they have missed on because they recruited Texas. You can't, because it's retarded ass logic. At this point in our recruiting, the guys they "miss" on are guys that either weren't highly interested in UW from the very beginning or are looking to get paid. That's it. Guys like Flowe and Ransom weren't highly interested from the very beginning which is inevitable no matter how good the program is and a guy like Ringo is looking for money and we don't pay. We are NOT MISSING any West coast recruits because the coaches didn't put enough time in recruiting them. That is not something that is happening. Shut the fuck up.

And yeah, Texas is one of the most talented states in the country. We can find and sign Texas recruits who have NFL talent. We might not be able to beat Texas and A&M for guys but we can beat TCU and Houston and Baylor and Oklahoma State for guys who would have been NFL draft pick for them but become NFL draft picks for us.

 

[FremontTroll]

There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one.[/b] They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas. So who gives a fuck? We would not have had a better chance at getting Justin Flowe or Elias Ricks or whoever the fuck you think we could have gotten had we not recruited Texas at all this class. Some West coast kids are just not coming here no matter what. Even when UW wins a national title, there will still be a few elite West coast kids that don't want to come here.

If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.

Plus, Texas kids just know how to play the game because the high school coaching down there is really good. We haven't had any Texas busts on this roster. They have played major roles already (Fuller and Onwuzurike) or will very soon (Curne the #2 RG and Rice the #2 Buck).

LOL sure in Ballz' fantasy reality where we never miss on kids then of course you can be 100% certain we wouldn't have better results in a different hypothetical universe.

What might be even more unbelievable is you are using a sample size of 6 players, 2 of which have actually played, to say that Texas kids "just know how to play the game" so they won't be busts.

Fuller: Starter
Onwuzurike: Starter
Rice: 2-deep this season
Curne: 2-deep this season

You don't count guys who aren't even on campus yet. That's four guys who are all either starters, will be starters in the near future, and a quality rotational guy in Myles Rice who has made a big jump in his skill set and will make plays this season. We don't have any busts from Texas.

And you don't count guys who haven't played yet (Curne) or who have one career tackle in three seasons (Rice.)

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

Glad you could bring the AIDS to what is a decent thread.

There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one. They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.

Every single recruit out West that UW wanted and missed on was because they are "making an investment" recruiting Texas. Every single one. They clearly do not have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas.... Damn its fun to make both wrong, overly definitive, and impossible to prove/disprove statements... Now I get it.

If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.

"hidden gems" is this NCAA 14 or something?

Filling out an opening or two in the bottom of the class with high ceiling/low cost recruit is fine. Its extremely difficult in a state like Texas because you either have to spend a lot of resources finding that overlooked "gem" that every other schools in the country somehow missed (because everyone looks at Texas) OR you have to recruit directly against a school with a massive recruiting advantage.

Name the exact recruits they have missed on because they recruited Texas. You can't, because it's retarded ass logic. At this point in our recruiting, the guys they "miss" on are guys that either weren't highly interested in UW from the very beginning or are looking to get paid. That's it. Guys like Flowe and Ransom weren't highly interested from the very beginning which is inevitable no matter how good the program is and a guy like Ringo is looking for money and we don't pay. We are NOT MISSING any West coast recruits because the coaches didn't put enough time in recruiting them. That is not something that is happening. Shut the fuck up.

And yeah, Texas is one of the most talented states in the country. We can find and sign Texas recruits who have NFL talent. We might not be able to beat Texas and A&M for guys but we can beat TCU and Houston and Baylor and Oklahoma State for guys who would have been NFL draft pick for them but become NFL draft picks for us.

Prove we didn't miss on guys because of recruiting Texas. You can't! Therefore it's true.

It's called proving a fucking negative.

Ballz fucking logic.

 

[FremontTroll]

And let's not bury the headline here. We all know that close to half the staff are below average recruiters. Four of our coaches could have been living in Justin Flowe's house for the last year and he still wouldn't come here. This is just as much or more an argument for quality recruiters over quantity of time spent.

So basically it comes down to trust the coaches.

But also the coaches who can't recruit will suck no matter what?

I will reiterate a point I made earlier- one of our coaches has a reputation for taking layups and being lazy in recruiting. That coach also has the most disproportionate amount of offers out in Texas.

Don't you think he should be focusing his limited time on trying to hit home runs in California?

At this point Junior Adams, Scott Huff, Malloe and Lake can do whatever the fuck they want. But the other coaches need to focus on the highest percentage targets they can. They don't have time to spare on wild goose chases.

You glossed over my main point. We have four coaches who could be living at recruit's houses in Cali and get shit results. You can keep sending a shitty salesman to a business every day but there won't be a sale. Time is the secondary issue here. Sending Adams Malloe Huff and Lake 5% of the time to Texas would probably be as effective as sending Gregory K Papoa and Bhonopha 100% of the time to Cali.

So what was your point? because all I also got was "trust the coaches"

That some coaches are so bad that it doesnt matter if they waste their time because their time is so worthless anyways?

That some salesmen suck even with the home-field advantage and therefore we should send them to make sales in one of the most competitive areas in the country against some of the best salesmen in the country?

Or that some coaches suck at recruiting on the staff and others dont, and because of that, Texas... or something?

I think my point is pretty simple. Shitty recruiters have a way more damaging effect than spending minimal time in Texas. I've literally said 3 or 4 times now spend 5% of your time in Texas.

Abundance its not either shitty recruiters or spending time in Texas its both.

And yeah, we would all be fine with 5% but I don't think that is possible considering the logistics and it certainly isn't the reality of what we are doing.

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

The question always comes down to what the cost is

The argument against recruiting Texas is that we can be doing better in California. But who in California are we really missing on?

I get all the arguments but the reality is that culture and fit matter a lot to this staff. Those that receive what we are about will gravitate towards us. Those that don’t wont.

Ultimately the key in Texas is gaining traction. Getting a player like Levi is huge. As the Texas players on our roster produce and get to the league our reputation will only further grow there.

Until there’s tangible evidence that our efforts in Texas are wasted, then it’s a worthwhile INVESTMENT for the program to make if they deem that they have the resources to devote to it

Yeah I don't get the argument that resources are wasted by recruiting Texas. Take LSU. People should say that they are wasting resources by recruiting California and Utah. Two non-traditional areas for them. But that has resulted in them getting Elias Ricks and Siaki Ika the last two cycles.[/b] Yes Orgeron has connections in Cali but Petersen has the same connections in Texas as he has been recruiting there forever. Also if UW continues to be nationally relevant that exposure does some of the initial footwork needed to get the attention of Texas recruits. People make it sound like it's some kind of big time allocation devoted to Texas when it's just not true. If it's 5% of your recruiting allocation time and you pull 1 out of 20 kids in a recruiting cycle that sounds okay to me. And as you get better the quality of that 1 recruit also gets better.

Except those are elite talents of which there are few in the nation. UW isn't going after kids like that in Texas. They are recruiting mostly "diamonds in the rough" or guys who are overlooked etc.

The SEC/Clemson is better positioned to come West right now than UW is of winning battles going East

For better or worse there is a massive perception issue within the P12 right now with elite recruits and winning at the highest levels

If anything, doubling down on anchoring in traditional areas without a contingency plan is recipe for disaster

Except, as has been said, we aren't talking about ELITE recruits who we aren't pulling out of Texas anyways. We are talking about 1-2 depth players that fill out the bottom of a class. I'm pretty sure we could pull that out of somewhere in the West we are already recruiting.

 

[minion_doog]

I can recall pulling players out of fucking Florida which is way more out of our footprint than Texas. Rich Alexis, John Andersen and the very highly recruited receiver whose name escapes me[/b] were all far less likely to come north than a Texas kid. And they were all very good contributors to the team. If you never make the effort you never get the results. No one is saying spend a huge chunk of time in Texas or anywhere else outside the footprint. 5% of your time for 5% of your class seems very reasonable to me. I'd be thrilled with a Victor Curne, Levi level talent every year. Cooper McDonald not as much.

Charles Frederick

 

[Houhusky]

And let's not bury the headline here. We all know that close to half the staff are below average recruiters. Four of our coaches could have been living in Justin Flowe's house for the last year and he still wouldn't come here. This is just as much or more an argument for quality recruiters over quantity of time spent.

So basically it comes down to trust the coaches.

But also the coaches who can't recruit will suck no matter what?

I will reiterate a point I made earlier- one of our coaches has a reputation for taking layups and being lazy in recruiting. That coach also has the most disproportionate amount of offers out in Texas.

Don't you think he should be focusing his limited time on trying to hit home runs in California?

At this point Junior Adams, Scott Huff, Malloe and Lake can do whatever the fuck they want. But the other coaches need to focus on the highest percentage targets they can. They don't have time to spare on wild goose chases.

You glossed over my main point. We have four coaches who could be living at recruit's houses in Cali and get shit results. You can keep sending a shitty salesman to a business every day but there won't be a sale. Time is the secondary issue here. Sending Adams Malloe Huff and Lake 5% of the time to Texas would probably be as effective as sending Gregory K Papoa and Bhonopha 100% of the time to Cali.

So what was your point? because all I also got was "trust the coaches"

That some coaches are so bad that it doesnt matter if they waste their time because their time is so worthless anyways?

That some salesmen suck even with the home-field advantage and therefore we should send them to make sales in one of the most competitive areas in the country against some of the best salesmen in the country?

Or that some coaches suck at recruiting on the staff and others dont, and because of that, Texas... or something?

I think my point is pretty simple. Shitty recruiters have a way more damaging effect than spending minimal time in Texas.

Cool... that has literally nothing to do with discussion on recruiting strategy (Texas) at all... So shitty point...

Are you doing some dumb false choice fallacy thing?

 

[Ballz]

There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one.[/b] They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas. So who gives a fuck? We would not have had a better chance at getting Justin Flowe or Elias Ricks or whoever the fuck you think we could have gotten had we not recruited Texas at all this class. Some West coast kids are just not coming here no matter what. Even when UW wins a national title, there will still be a few elite West coast kids that don't want to come here.

If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.

Plus, Texas kids just know how to play the game because the high school coaching down there is really good. We haven't had any Texas busts on this roster. They have played major roles already (Fuller and Onwuzurike) or will very soon (Curne the #2 RG and Rice the #2 Buck).

LOL sure in Ballz' fantasy reality where we never miss on kids then of course you can be 100% certain we wouldn't have better results in a different hypothetical universe.

What might be even more unbelievable is you are using a sample size of 6 players, 2 of which have actually played, to say that Texas kids "just know how to play the game" so they won't be busts.

Fuller: Starter
Onwuzurike: Starter
Rice: 2-deep this season
Curne: 2-deep this season

You don't count guys who aren't even on campus yet. That's four guys who are all either starters, will be starters in the near future, and a quality rotational guy in Myles Rice who has made a big jump in his skill set and will make plays this season. We don't have any busts from Texas.

And you don't count guys who haven't played yet (Curne) or who have one career tackle in three seasons (Rice.)

Yes you fucking do when it's obvious what they're going to do in the future. Curne has done nothing but impress since he's been here. He's an obvious starter next season or the season after that depending on how Huff wants to shuffle guys around. He's good enough to start for us right now but obviously the coaches value Wattenberg's experience and think he's taken a step forward.

Everything has started to click for Rice. He's 250 pounds and explosive off the edge. He's the #2 Buck not by default. He'll play a lot and be good for us this season and 2020 and turn himself into an NFL draft pick.

The guys we have gotten from Texas are all good players.

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

There isn't a single recruit out West that UW wanted and would have gotten had they not "wasted time" recruiting Texas. Not a single one.[/b] They clearly have enough time to recruit both the West region and Texas. So who gives a fuck? We would not have had a better chance at getting Justin Flowe or Elias Ricks or whoever the fuck you think we could have gotten had we not recruited Texas at all this class. Some West coast kids are just not coming here no matter what. Even when UW wins a national title, there will still be a few elite West coast kids that don't want to come here.

If our hidden gems are coming from WA, CA, and TX that's fine with me. If you can create a bigger pool of hidden gems and select the top hidden gems from that larger pool of recruits, then the hidden gems you're getting have a better chance of panning out. For instance, there was no hidden gem offensive lineman on the West coast better than Victor Curne in his class. There is no hidden gem RB out West this class better than Jay'Veon Sunday. Those guys are upgrades over West coast guys we would have had to take had we not recruited Texas.

Plus, Texas kids just know how to play the game because the high school coaching down there is really good. We haven't had any Texas busts on this roster. They have played major roles already (Fuller and Onwuzurike) or will very soon (Curne the #2 RG and Rice the #2 Buck).

LOL sure in Ballz' fantasy reality where we never miss on kids then of course you can be 100% certain we wouldn't have better results in a different hypothetical universe.

What might be even more unbelievable is you are using a sample size of 6 players, 2 of which have actually played, to say that Texas kids "just know how to play the game" so they won't be busts.

Fuller: Starter
Onwuzurike: Starter
Rice: 2-deep this season
Curne: 2-deep this season

You don't count guys who aren't even on campus yet. That's four guys who are all either starters, will be starters in the near future, and a quality rotational guy in Myles Rice who has made a big jump in his skill set and will make plays this season. We don't have any busts from Texas.

And you don't count guys who haven't played yet (Curne) or who have one career tackle in three seasons (Rice.)

Yes you fucking do when it's obvious what they're going to do in the future. Curne has done nothing but impress since he's been here. He's an obvious starter next season or the season after that. Everything has started to click for Rice. He's 250 pounds and explosive off the edge. He's the #2 Buck not by default. He'll play a lot and be good for us this season and 2020 and turn himself into an NFL draft pick[/b].

These are facts guysm.

 

[whuggy]

I can recall pulling players out of fucking Florida which is way more out of our footprint than Texas. Rich Alexis, John Andersen and the very highly recruited receiver whose name escapes me[/b] were all far less likely to come north than a Texas kid. And they were all very good contributors to the team. If you never make the effort you never get the results. No one is saying spend a huge chunk of time in Texas or anywhere else outside the footprint. 5% of your time for 5% of your class seems very reasonable to me. I'd be thrilled with a Victor Curne, Levi level talent every year. Cooper McDonald not as much.

Charles Frederick

Yep. That's him. Was pretty highly rated. Got him and Alexis because we took a shot. I believe Andersen came because he was a friend of Alexis. Quality contributors all. And from fucking Florida.

 

[whuggy]

And let's not bury the headline here. We all know that close to half the staff are below average recruiters. Four of our coaches could have been living in Justin Flowe's house for the last year and he still wouldn't come here. This is just as much or more an argument for quality recruiters over quantity of time spent.

So basically it comes down to trust the coaches.

But also the coaches who can't recruit will suck no matter what?

I will reiterate a point I made earlier- one of our coaches has a reputation for taking layups and being lazy in recruiting. That coach also has the most disproportionate amount of offers out in Texas.

Don't you think he should be focusing his limited time on trying to hit home runs in California?

At this point Junior Adams, Scott Huff, Malloe and Lake can do whatever the fuck they want. But the other coaches need to focus on the highest percentage targets they can. They don't have time to spare on wild goose chases.

You glossed over my main point. We have four coaches who could be living at recruit's houses in Cali and get shit results. You can keep sending a shitty salesman to a business every day but there won't be a sale. Time is the secondary issue here. Sending Adams Malloe Huff and Lake 5% of the time to Texas would probably be as effective as sending Gregory K Papoa and Bhonopha 100% of the time to Cali.

So what was your point? because all I also got was "trust the coaches"

That some coaches are so bad that it doesnt matter if they waste their time because their time is so worthless anyways?

That some salesmen suck even with the home-field advantage and therefore we should send them to make sales in one of the most competitive areas in the country against some of the best salesmen in the country?

Or that some coaches suck at recruiting on the staff and others dont, and because of that, Texas... or something?

I think my point is pretty simple. Shitty recruiters have a way more damaging effect than spending minimal time in Texas. I've literally said 3 or 4 times now spend 5% of your time in Texas.

Abundance its not either shitty recruiters or spending time in Texas its both.

And yeah, we would all be fine with 5% but I don't think that is possible considering the logistics and it certainly isn't the reality of what we are doing.

So you'd be ok with 1 out of every 20 recruiting visits to be to Texas? So would I.