Sirmon Yankoff Couch Sale

God Damn it. Expected to lose 1 of them this spring and was hoping it would be Haener, with Yankoff possibly switching positions. But if Yankoff wants to play QB I understand him transferring.

It is a MASSIVE failure of the staff to lose Sirmon instead of Haener. Incomprehensibly bad roster management.
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The only reason people are bemoaning losing Sirmon over Haener is because he's 6'5" and had more stars. Not one person has seen enough of Sirmon since he got here and given an actual reasoned take on why they think he's better than Haener. Because he's not.

And the "Petersen loves midgets" theory is fucking stupid too. He's the one who recruited Eason, Sirmon, and Yankoff in the first place. The real crisis here is that out of a huge and diverse QB room with tons of raw talent, we're still waiting for a guy to grab the reins and nobody has appeared to do so. If we can't find an above average starter out of everyone we had coming into this spring, then we're fucked. It either means consistent misses in talent evaluation, development, designing a digestible offense for a college player, or a combination of all three. But either way the end result is fucked.
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When you see the guy six inches shorter than you skipping the ball off the turf and throwing pick after pick, but still he gets starter reps and is at worst the entrenched 2, it makes you wonder.

I've seen Haener suck in live game action. He's had a terrible spring by all reports. How could you not feel slighted if you're Sirmon?
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Sirmon barely threw at a 60% clip against fucking KingCo4A. And you're fucking surprised that he now sucks in college too?

Christ, you dipshits want to make everything about Haener when the easy answer is right in front of you - Sirmon isn't that fucking good.
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If you know a guy isn't it (Haener) then you need to go down the list. Sirmon might suck, probably does, but at least there is a chance he doesn't and rare tools to work with.
 
Stalin, I just posted something that took 10 minutes of my precious time because it was so well thought out and it has disappeared after a simple edit. I would like it reinstated to get my well-deserved chin or two. Thanks, DWags206
 
I am on board that the key issue all of this is we have filled up a barn full of prize horses over the past few years and none of them stick out at all, actually quite the opposite. Feels like when I do read something they overall had a rough day but one or two good plays. Even Eason has been struggling overall and he was a true freshman starter in the toughest conference. So this means a serious lack of QB scouting and development which means the offense is going to be the same old frustrating piece of shit for years to come.
 
I am on board that the key issue all of this is we have filled up a barn full of prize horses over the past few years and none of them stick out at all, actually quite the opposite. Feels like when I do read something they overall had a rough day but one or two good plays. Even Eason has been struggling overall and he was a true freshman starter in the toughest conference. So this means a serious lack of QB scouting and development which means the offense is going to be the same old frustrating piece of shit for years to come.
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Don't sugar coat it
 
Stalin, I just posted something that took 10 minutes of my precious time because it was so well thought out and it has disappeared after a simple edit. I would like it reinstated to get my well-deserved chin or two. Thanks, DWags206
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Haha. Fuck you.

Sincerely,

The Mods
 
God Damn it. Expected to lose 1 of them this spring and was hoping it would be Haener, with Yankoff possibly switching positions. But if Yankoff wants to play QB I understand him transferring.

It is a MASSIVE failure of the staff to lose Sirmon instead of Haener. Incomprehensibly bad roster management.
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The only reason people are bemoaning losing Sirmon over Haener is because he's 6'5" and had more stars. Not one person has seen enough of Sirmon since he got here and given an actual reasoned take on why they think he's better than Haener. Because he's not.

And the "Petersen loves midgets" theory is fucking stupid too. He's the one who recruited Eason, Sirmon, and Yankoff in the first place. The real crisis here is that out of a huge and diverse QB room with tons of raw talent, we're still waiting for a guy to grab the reins and nobody has appeared to do so. If we can't find an above average starter out of everyone we had coming into this spring, then we're fucked. It either means consistent misses in talent evaluation, development, designing a digestible offense for a college player, or a combination of all three. But either way the end result is fucked.
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When you see the guy six inches shorter than you skipping the ball off the turf and throwing pick after pick, but still he gets starter reps and is at worst the entrenched 2, it makes you wonder.

I've seen Haener suck in live game action. He's had a terrible spring by all reports. How could you not feel slighted if you're Sirmon?
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Sirmon barely threw at a 60% clip against fucking KingCo4A. And you're fucking surprised that he now sucks in college too?

Christ, you dipshits want to make everything about Haener when the easy answer is right in front of you - Sirmon isn't that fucking good.
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If you know a guy isn't it (Haener) then you need to go down the list. Sirmon might suck, probably does, but at least there is a chance he doesn't and rare tools to work with.
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You don't know if Haener isn't it. I don't either. He may be shit, he may be decent, he may be good. Musta said it about a thousand times. The data set you're trying to base this opinion off is smaller than my IQ (really small). Fuckin' armchair coaches around here, man...
 
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Lots of FREE PUB nationally, though.

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This bored is more redeemable after a loss, anyway. Wake me in September.

 
I'm beside myself with this whole thing.

That being said...coaches loved BBK a few years ago and we all hated him.

I can admit when I'm wrong.
 
I am on board that the key issue all of this is we have filled up a barn full of prize horses over the past few years and none of them stick out at all, actually quite the opposite. Feels like when I do read something they overall had a rough day but one or two good plays. Even Eason has been struggling overall and he was a true freshman starter in the toughest conference. So this means a serious lack of QB scouting and development[/b] which means the offense is going to be the same old frustrating piece of shit for years to come.
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@strongarmhaieballz going into orbit in 5, 4, 3, 2 ....

 
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It's the faggot offense that we run. Its fucking maddening to watch us in constant motion and shifting like we are fucking EWU. Shove the ball down an inferiors throat. Attack the middle of the field. Let your swinging dick QB throw down field to your fast black 6'3 wideout. It's not that fucking hard Peter, fuck.
 
I am on board that the key issue all of this is we have filled up a barn full of prize horses over the past few years and none of them stick out at all, actually quite the opposite. Feels like when I do read something they overall had a rough day but one or two good plays. Even Eason has been struggling overall and he was a true freshman starter in the toughest conference. So this means a serious lack of QB scouting and development which means the offense is going to be the same old frustrating piece of shit for years to come.
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Don't sugar coat it
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I am not it is a dumpster fire. The argument over WHO it is transferring isn't an issue, the issue is they all have sucked. If Sirmon and Yankoff were the only 2 QBs in our current system that couldn't hit a broad side of a barn then you could just chalk that up to one bad recruiting cycle... but they only have sucked a little less than the other 3 QBs we have right now.

QBs are always going to transfer, especially big time recruits who son't see the field within 1-2 years and looks like they have to wait 1 to 2 more. This should be a result of other studs in the system knocking them the fuck out, not being the 3rd and 5th shittiest qbs in a shitty 5 QB rotation.
 
Remember when UW was QB U? With all the millenial doogs here, the answer is no, but it was true. The old people remember.
 
This board is overreacting again. I am shocked.
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Love me some @Dennis_DeYoung, but he makes 15-year old teenage girl (and 8.5mos preggo) meltdowns, seem normal.

Wish the TBS crew would diversity their sources.... err source. Might normalize the behavior here...or not.
 
God Damn it. Expected to lose 1 of them this spring and was hoping it would be Haener, with Yankoff possibly switching positions. But if Yankoff wants to play QB I understand him transferring.

It is a MASSIVE failure of the staff to lose Sirmon instead of Haener. Incomprehensibly bad roster management.
Click to expand...

The only reason people are bemoaning losing Sirmon over Haener is because he's 6'5" and had more stars. Not one person has seen enough of Sirmon since he got here and given an actual reasoned take on why they think he's better than Haener. Because he's not.

And the "Petersen loves midgets" theory is fucking stupid too. He's the one who recruited Eason, Sirmon, and Yankoff in the first place. The real crisis here is that out of a huge and diverse QB room with tons of raw talent, we're still waiting for a guy to grab the reins and nobody has appeared to do so. If we can't find an above average starter out of everyone we had coming into this spring, then we're fucked. It either means consistent misses in talent evaluation, development, designing a digestible offense for a college player, or a combination of all three. But either way the end result is fucked.
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When you see the guy six inches shorter than you skipping the ball off the turf and throwing pick after pick, but still he gets starter reps and is at worst the entrenched 2, it makes you wonder.

I've seen Haener suck in live game action. He's had a terrible spring by all reports. How could you not feel slighted if you're Sirmon?
Click to expand...

Sirmon barely threw at a 60% clip against fucking KingCo4A. And you're fucking surprised that he now sucks in college too?

Christ, you dipshits want to make everything about Haener when the easy answer is right in front of you - Sirmon isn't that fucking good.
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If you know a guy isn't it (Haener) then you need to go down the list. Sirmon might suck, probably does, but at least there is a chance he doesn't and rare tools to work with.
Click to expand...

You don't know if Haener isn't it. I don't either. He may be shit, he may be decent, he may be good. Musta said it about a thousand times. The data set you're trying to base this opinion off is smaller than my IQ (really small). Fuckin' armchair coaches around here, man...
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This is a motte and bailey fallacious argument.

Of course we can't say 100% that Haener isn't "it." There is always a chance.

But then you jump from saying well since we can't know for sure then we know nothing and we don't have enough data to have ANY opinion.

That is crazy but when we call you out on it you will retreat to the motte and say well we don't know for sure!

Fuck off with that shit.

Actual analysis of Haner's value:

Coming into UW we start with a "prior belief distribution" that is something like 60% washout, 30% career backup, 8% serviceable starter, 2% star* based on:

-Most QBs, even highly rated ones, fail
-Generous 6'0" listing
-Zero other Power Conference offers
-UW only offered after whiffing on everyone else
-Not rated highly by recruiting services

Now lets look at what evidence we have since he arrived on campus:

-Looked good against North Dakota
-Looked horrible against Cal
-Threw a million and one picks leading the #1/#2 offense in spring camp
-Gained coaches' trust
-Shown zero tools or rare abilities other than coachability
-Hasn't grown taller

It isn't a lot of data, true, but the evidence we do have certainly doesn't cause us to revise our "prior belief distribution" upward. It either confirms it or leads to a downward revision.

So yeah, moving on from Haener makes total sense. Especially when you consider the cost of NOT moving on (losing Sirmon and Yankoff.)

Sirmon and Yankoff ARE ALSO PROBABLY IRREDEEMABLY AWFUL but QBs, like kickers or coaching hires, are like rolling the dice. You don't know what you are going to get ahead of time- there is a lot of randomness and luck involved. So unless you fall backasswards into a Sam Huard type talent your strategy should be to get as many dice rolls in as possible. Once you crap out your chips are gone and aren't coming back. Get new chips down and go again.

*numbers made up, feel free to come up with your own.
 
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