Sirmon Yankoff Couch Sale

I am on board that the key issue all of this is we have filled up a barn full of prize horses over the past few years and none of them stick out at all, actually quite the opposite. Feels like when I do read something they overall had a rough day but one or two good plays. Even Eason has been struggling overall and he was a true freshman starter in the toughest conference. So this means a serious lack of QB scouting and development which means the offense is going to be the same old frustrating piece of shit for years to come.
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This.

Unfortunately.
 
I haven't gone through the 13 pages of chat on this topic so forgive me if this has already been talked about...

This shit with Haener is so similar to what happened with Camilo Eifler and BBK. In both situations you have a guy who is clearly quantitatively "better" than the other guy in terms on physical ability and, in both cases, the coaches stuck to their try-hard narrative and created a situation where talent didn't get valued as much as being a try-hard.

It's on the coaches for not putting our most talented players in positions to succeed. Fuck the try-hard shit. Eason has a higher ceiling than Haener and Eifler had a higher ceiling than BBK. If our most talented players are not reaching their potential than that's on the coaches.
 
I haven't gone through the 13 pages of chat on this topic so forgive me if this has already been talked about...

This shit with Haener is so similar to what happened with Camilo Eifler and BBK. In both situations you have a guy who is clearly quantitatively "better" than the other guy in terms on physical ability and, in both cases, the coaches stuck to their try-hard narrative and created a situation where talent didn't get valued as much as being a try-hard.

It's on the coaches for not putting our most talented players in positions to succeed. Fuck the try-hard shit. Eason has a higher ceiling than Haener and Eifler had a higher ceiling than BBK. If our most talented players are not reaching their potential than that's on the coaches.
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I think thats a big stretch. Obviously BBK had a pretty high ceiling considering he just got drafted in the 5th round. Also Eifler was always an unpolished prospect who had tools but would likely never put it together and become a football player.

Then you have the positional difference. Only one QB can really play whereas we rotate a number of ILBs so BBK couldn't block Eifler but Haener completely blocked Sirmon and Yankoff.
 
I haven't gone through the 13 pages of chat on this topic so forgive me if this has already been talked about...

This shit with Haener is so similar to what happened with Camilo Eifler and BBK. In both situations you have a guy who is clearly quantitatively "better" than the other guy in terms on physical ability and, in both cases, the coaches stuck to their try-hard narrative and created a situation where talent didn't get valued as much as being a try-hard.

It's on the coaches for not putting our most talented players in positions to succeed. Fuck the try-hard shit. Eason has a higher ceiling than Haener and Eifler had a higher ceiling than BBK. If our most talented players are not reaching their potential than that's on the coaches.
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Ahem, BBK was an All-American. Lots of people can't seem to grasp that there's more to college football than physical talent (of which BBK had plenty, by the way, besides height). Yes, we all want otherworldly physical talent on the field, but if they ain't cuttin' the mustard, they ain't gonna play. We can all see when these guys run fast and make big hits, but it's much harder to see the intricacies of the game, on and off the field, where they're fucking up. We get to see 3 hours a week for a few months in Fall. That's it. Yes, Sirmon had arm talent and height. So fucking what? We don't see him practice (when we did, he was shit) and we don't see him in the locker room. He's clearly shit and by many accounts, a whiny bitch off the field who thinks he walks on water. This program is bigger than the individual. Get used to it. This is how it's always been with Pete and yet we just had 8 guys drafted anyway, many of whom were 3* "try-hards". Case closed. Next.

It's fucking bullshit that just because you're a 3* (and to a greater extent, a white guy), you're automatically considered a "try-hard". 18 of the 32 first round picks this year were 3* guys or less. "Try hard" GMFG is about to start next to Aaron Donald on the Rams. Give me a fucking break.
 
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I haven't gone through the 13 pages of chat on this topic so forgive me if this has already been talked about...

This shit with Haener is so similar to what happened with Camilo Eifler and BBK. In both situations you have a guy who is clearly quantitatively "better" than the other guy in terms on physical ability and, in both cases, the coaches stuck to their try-hard narrative and created a situation where talent didn't get valued as much as being a try-hard.

It's on the coaches for not putting our most talented players in positions to succeed. Fuck the try-hard shit. Eason has a higher ceiling than Haener and Eifler had a higher ceiling than BBK. If our most talented players are not reaching their potential than that's on the coaches.
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Ahem, BBK was an All-American. Lots of people can't seem to grasp that there's more to college football than physical talent (of which BBK had plenty, by the way, besides height). Yes, we all want otherworldly physical talent on the field, but if they ain't cuttin' the mustard, they ain't gonna play. We can all see when these guys run fast and make big hits, but it's much harder to see the intricacies of the game, on and off the field, where they're fucking up. We get to see 3 hours a week for a few months in Fall. That's it. Yes, Sirmon had arm talent and height. So fucking what? We don't see him practice (when we did, he was shit) and we don't see him in the locker room. He's clearly shit and by many accounts, a whiny bitch off the field who thinks he walks on water. This program is bigger than the individual. Get used to it. This is how it's always been with Pete and yet we just had 8 guys drafted anyway, many of whom were 3* "try-hards". Case closed. Next.

It's fucking bullshit that just because you're a 3* (and to a greater extent, a white guy), you're automatically considered a "try-hard". 18 of the 32 first round picks this year were 3* guys. "Try hard" GMFG is about to start next to Aaron Donald on the Rams. Give me a fucking break.
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Agree with first section on BBK.

Disagree on Sirmon- he never got a real shot in this "competition."

Strongly disagree on your 3* "try-hard" conclusion. First off this board has liked plenty of 3* recruits its more about being a rare human and being highly coveted by UW staff (and other programs to a lesser extent.) The rating system is just an imperfect proxy.

But regardless, the reason why the majority of first round picks are 3* is because there are something like 10x+ 3* compared to 4/5*. Despite the imprecise nature of the rating system a randomly selected 3* player has a far worse chance of a panning out than a randomly selected 4* and our opinions should and do reflect that.
 
God Damn it. Expected to lose 1 of them this spring and was hoping it would be Haener, with Yankoff possibly switching positions. But if Yankoff wants to play QB I understand him transferring.

It is a MASSIVE failure of the staff to lose Sirmon instead of Haener. Incomprehensibly bad roster management.
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The only reason people are bemoaning losing Sirmon over Haener is because he's 6'5" and had more stars. Not one person has seen enough of Sirmon since he got here and given an actual reasoned take on why they think he's better than Haener. Because he's not.

And the "Petersen loves midgets" theory is fucking stupid too. He's the one who recruited Eason, Sirmon, and Yankoff in the first place. The real crisis here is that out of a huge and diverse QB room with tons of raw talent, we're still waiting for a guy to grab the reins and nobody has appeared to do so. If we can't find an above average starter out of everyone we had coming into this spring, then we're fucked. It either means consistent misses in talent evaluation, development, designing a digestible offense for a college player, or a combination of all three. But either way the end result is fucked.
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When you see the guy six inches shorter than you skipping the ball off the turf and throwing pick after pick, but still he gets starter reps and is at worst the entrenched 2, it makes you wonder.

I've seen Haener suck in live game action. He's had a terrible spring by all reports. How could you not feel slighted if you're Sirmon?
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Sirmon barely threw at a 60% clip against fucking KingCo4A. And you're fucking surprised that he now sucks in college too?

Christ, you dipshits want to make everything about Haener when the easy answer is right in front of you - Sirmon isn't that fucking good.
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If you know a guy isn't it (Haener) then you need to go down the list. Sirmon might suck, probably does, but at least there is a chance he doesn't and rare tools to work with.
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You don't know if Haener isn't it. I don't either. He may be shit, he may be decent, he may be good. Musta said it about a thousand times. The data set you're trying to base this opinion off is smaller than my IQ (really small). Fuckin' armchair coaches around here, man...
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Haener isn't it.

hth
 
So lots of theories going around, some more asinine than others, so here’s mine.

Brownsocks still fucking us after his departure. While he was here he was the alpha in the qb room and would make snide comments about bush behind his back, real cute bonding type shit with serm and yankoff.

It was all fun and games until the noise became louder as the season progressed and Jake had to blame someone because he’s perfect. Never in public but the seeds previously planted in the young qb’s minds were being cultivated at this point.

Fast forward and Jake comes out... telling people about how he added velocity from working with an expert. In directly “saying fuck bush, fuck peterman, fuck udub, they can’t develop qb’s for shit.” Accurate?

Now the doubt is there and he messages his buddies saying “see, I wasn’t the problem.”

Compact that with the fact that Sirmon was behind midget and I think the narrative floats.

Fun either way making up a story and pretending I’m right. I can see how ballz gets off on this shit.
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YBFE
 
I haven't gone through the 13 pages of chat on this topic so forgive me if this has already been talked about...

This shit with Haener is so similar to what happened with Camilo Eifler and BBK. In both situations you have a guy who is clearly quantitatively "better" than the other guy in terms on physical ability and, in both cases, the coaches stuck to their try-hard narrative and created a situation where talent didn't get valued as much as being a try-hard.

It's on the coaches for not putting our most talented players in positions to succeed. Fuck the try-hard shit. Eason has a higher ceiling than Haener and Eifler had a higher ceiling than BBK. If our most talented players are not reaching their potential than that's on the coaches.
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Ahem, BBK was an All-American. Lots of people can't seem to grasp that there's more to college football than physical talent (of which BBK had plenty, by the way, besides height). Yes, we all want otherworldly physical talent on the field, but if they ain't cuttin' the mustard, they ain't gonna play. We can all see when these guys run fast and make big hits, but it's much harder to see the intricacies of the game, on and off the field, where they're fucking up. We get to see 3 hours a week for a few months in Fall. That's it. Yes, Sirmon had arm talent and height. So fucking what? We don't see him practice (when we did, he was shit) and we don't see him in the locker room. He's clearly shit and by many accounts, a whiny bitch off the field who thinks he walks on water. This program is bigger than the individual. Get used to it. This is how it's always been with Pete and yet we just had 8 guys drafted anyway, many of whom were 3* "try-hards". Case closed. Next.

It's fucking bullshit that just because you're a 3* (and to a greater extent, a white guy), you're automatically considered a "try-hard". 18 of the 32 first round picks this year were 3* guys. "Try hard" GMFG is about to start next to Aaron Donald on the Rams. Give me a fucking break.
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Agree with first section on BBK.

Disagree on Sirmon- he never got a real shot in this "competition."

Strongly disagree on your 3* "try-hard" conclusion. First off this board has liked plenty of 3* recruits its more about being a rare human and being highly coveted by UW staff (and other programs to a lesser extent.) The rating system is just an imperfect proxy.

But regardless, the reason why the majority of first round picks are 3* is because there are something like 10x+ 3* compared to 4/5*. Despite the imprecise nature of the rating system a randomly selected 3* player has a far worse chance of a panning out than a randomly selected 4* and our opinions should and do reflect that.
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Maybe there's a reason why Sirmon didn't get a shot. Maybe it's because he's a piece of shit on and off the field. Somewhere I saw he wasn't liked by his teammates. Pete has standards that the players have to uphold, whether you like it or not. That's how it is and that's how it always will be. Maybe it's just because he's a freaking redshirt freshman who has only been through two spring camps and one fall camp. He's been with the program for ONE YEAR. People generally have to work for their opportunities and not bail at the first block in the road. Good riddance. He's clearly a pussy (agree with StrongArm here) but I don't wish him failure (disagree with StrongArm on this one).
 
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I haven't gone through the 13 pages of chat on this topic so forgive me if this has already been talked about...

This shit with Haener is so similar to what happened with Camilo Eifler and BBK. In both situations you have a guy who is clearly quantitatively "better" than the other guy in terms on physical ability and, in both cases, the coaches stuck to their try-hard narrative and created a situation where talent didn't get valued as much as being a try-hard.

It's on the coaches for not putting our most talented players in positions to succeed. Fuck the try-hard shit. Eason has a higher ceiling than Haener and Eifler had a higher ceiling than BBK. If our most talented players are not reaching their potential than that's on the coaches.
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There's almost zero chance Eifler would have been better this year than BBK.

The coaches got that one right.

Our defensive coaches know what the fuck they are doing.
 
P12 DPOY National #1 tackling leader 5th round pick and people still hating on BBK i mean what the fuck else could he do to prove himself at this point
 
Put yourself in sirmons shoes. Nobody knows better than him how awful brownsocks was and he started every game for 4 fucking years. Then you see another try hard faggot getting first team reps and you watch him chuck ball's into the fucking turf or throw picks and you say huh....fuck this. Pete plays baby games and I'm sure JS eyes are just as good as yours and mine. How would you like to be a guy with sure fire NFL ability and know you are blocked by some fucking retarded fag who suffers from dwarfism and has a fucking noodle arm?
 
Put yourself in sirmons shoes. Nobody knows better than him how awful brownsocks was and he started every game for 4 fucking years. Then you see another try hard faggot getting first team reps and you watch him chuck ball's into the fucking turf or throw picks and you say huh....fuck this. Pete plays baby games and I'm sure JS eyes are just as good as yours and mine. How would you like to be a guy with sure fire NFL ability and know you are blocked by some fucking retarded fag who suffers from dwarfism and has a fucking noodle arm?
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Can we stop with the noodle arm shit with Haener? Haener's are is fine, it's his inability to put the ball where he wants it to that's the problem.

He's not Browning, he's a different (worse) kind of shit QB.
 
@FremontTroll and I used to violently disagree on whether Troy got a fair shot.

It seems to be a repeating issue because the winner of these competitions performs so poorly on game day

This spring was a great chance to get all 4 time with the first team, with Haener last in line since we know he sucks. Instead we get Pete going all cute and lose two recruits that were a big deal when they signed.

We spent 18 years with a defensive mastermind who struggled to put together an offense until he went outside his comfort zone and brought in Pinkel and Gilby.

Pete needs to fix this fucking thing now regardless of the cause.
 
P12 DPOY National #1 tackling leader 5th round pick and people still hating on BBK i mean what the fuck else could he do to prove himself at this point[/b]
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Tackle Bryce Love, Saquan Barkley and Bo Scarbrough in space. Murphy should have been DPOY and tackles are a overrated stat.
 
Put yourself in sirmons shoes. Nobody knows better than him how awful brownsocks was and he started every game for 4 fucking years. Then you see another try hard faggot getting first team reps and you watch him chuck ball's into the fucking turf or throw picks and you say huh....fuck this. Pete plays baby games and I'm sure JS eyes are just as good as yours and mine. How would you like to be a guy with sure fire NFL ability and know you are blocked by some fucking retarded fag who suffers from dwarfism and has a fucking noodle arm?
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THIS

Can we stop with the noodle arm shit with Haener? Haener's are is fine, it's his inability to put the ball where he wants it to that's the problem.

He's not Browning, he's a different (worse) kind of shit QB.
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But also this.
 
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@FremontTroll and I used to violently disagree on whether Troy got a fair shot.

It seems to be a repeating issue because the winner of these competitions performs so poorly on game day

This spring was a great chance to get all 4 time with the first team, with Haener last in line since we know he sucks. Instead we get Pete going all cute and lose two recruits that were a big deal when they signed.

We spent 18 years with a defensive mastermind who struggled to put together an offense until he went outside his comfort zone and brought in Pinkel and Gilby.

Pete needs to fix this fucking thing now regardless of the cause.
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Yeah I was thinking about Troy today too. You could call me a hypocrite for taking the other side here but I did feel Troy got a shot.

I agree that if CP didn't want to annoint Eason and wanted to make him "earn it" why not open the competition up to all? Makes way too much sense
 
P12 DPOY National #1 tackling leader 5th round pick and people still hating on BBK i mean what the fuck else could he do to prove himself at this point[/b]
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Tackle Bryce Love, Saquan Barkley and Bo Scarbrough in space. Murphy should have been DPOY and tackles are a overrated stat.
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There are plays that he couldn't make that elite athletes make. That said, I don't think tackles are an overrated stat for a linebacker. Ever. It's kind of his job.
 
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The worst thing about this is now Pete will never stack qb's together in the same class again. He will go back to first come first served.
 
Put yourself in sirmons shoes. Nobody knows better than him how awful brownsocks was and he started every game for 4 fucking years. Then you see another try hard faggot getting first team reps and you watch him chuck ball's into the fucking turf or throw picks and you say huh....fuck this. Pete plays baby games and I'm sure JS eyes are just as good as yours and mine. How would you like to be a guy with sure fire NFL ability and know you are blocked by some fucking retarded fag who suffers from dwarfism and has a fucking noodle arm?
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You guys do not understand how college football works. These guys are coming off of redshirt seasons. Do you understand what that means? As a QB, when you redshirt you are not going to get a lot of meaningful reps. These guys showed up on campus last Spring. They got some reps and as you would expect from true Freshman, they both sucked ass and had so much to learn. With a returning 4-year starter who was entrenched as the starter, it was already decided when they showed up that both were going to redshirt. Then comes fall camp which is about getting the returning starter and the rest of the team ready for the season. It's not about giving a lot of reps to true Freshman who are redshirting. Then the season comes and it's 3 months of splitting reps with Eason on the scout team running the other teams offense.

At no time during a QB's redshirt season is there a real opportunity to compete for the starting job. You come in and your job is to learn the offense, learn the game of football, learn from the mistakes of the older guys, take mental reps, improve your mechanics in drills and the few practice reps you get, and get bigger/faster/stronger so that when your redshirt season is over, you are as ready as possible to COMPETE in the years to come for the starting job. That's the way it works for the vast majority of college QB's. The QB position is a marathon for 95% of guys, not a sprint.

BOTH OF THESE FUCKING PUSSIES were already considering transferring before Spring ball and the coaches knew that. We are just finding out about it now but those in the know knew this was the case. These two idiots were thinking about transferring before they even got the opportunity to COMPETE. With the coaches knowing that they were considering transferring, of course they're gonna give more reps to Haener and try to keep him from transferring as well in which case we'd really be fucked with only two QB's on the roster.

Both of them suck and need years of development to be capable starter at this level. This is a competitive top-15 program. They knew that going in. They both knew Eason was coming before they signed. So what the fuck? Fucking nut up pussy and compete. It takes time. Nothing is given to you and if you have one foot out the door of course the coaches are going to give reps to Haener because at least they know he'll be here in the Fall and they need to get a back up QB ready to play in case Eason goes down.

Yankoff is gone because he sucks and he knows he sucks and he just doesn't have the confidence to stick it out and compete.

Sirmon is gone because he has very few friends on the team, nobody likes him, and he thinks he's way better than he actually is.

Dylan Morris is better than both of them. You can quote me on that. Fuck those losers.
 
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