OFFICIAL Make America Healthy Again Game Thread - Featuring Dr Anthony Chaffee

[haie]

Vegetables (cucumber and celery are pretty much the best thing you can put in your body and repairs the lining in your gut in a way that isn't talked about enough), red meat/fish (salmon), hard boiled eggs, marshmallow root steeped in cold water overnight.
Mangos/bananas prioritized over other fruit.
Black coffee only, if you're going to add non dairy creamer then make your own almond/oat milk as store bought shit has too much sugar.
Fasting once in awhile helps.
Kombucha is a massive scam outside of a few brands like Brew Dr that have a fraction of the sugar.
Swimming laps and steam room after. Forget about major lifting and treadmills and shit.

 

[YellowSnow]

Vegetables (cucumber and celery are pretty much the best thing you can put in your body and repairs the lining in your gut in a way that isn't talked about enough), red meat/fish (salmon), hard boiled eggs, marshmallow root steeped in cold water overnight.
Mangos/bananas prioritized over other fruit.
Black coffee only, if you're going to add non dairy creamer then make your own almond/oat milk as store bought shit has too much sugar.
Fasting once in awhile helps.
Kombucha is a massive scam outside of a few brands like Brew Dr that have a fraction of the sugar.
Swimming laps and steam room after. Forget about major lifting and treadmills and shit.

I don’t think all the cross fit bro type lifting but is necessary. But doing some resistance training is essential to forestall loss of muscle mass as we age. I find various sqauts with the Olympic bar or kettle bell make my ski season way more enjoyable. Dumbbell bench press, pushups, pull ups, seated rows.

Keep it simple

 

[YellowSnow]

Vegetables (cucumber and celery are pretty much the best thing you can put in your body and repairs the lining in your gut in a way that isn't talked about enough), red meat/fish (salmon), hard boiled eggs, marshmallow root steeped in cold water overnight.
Mangos/bananas prioritized over other fruit.
Black coffee only, if you're going to add non dairy creamer then make your own almond/oat milk as store bought shit has too much sugar.
Fasting once in awhile helps.
Kombucha is a massive scam outside of a few brands like Brew Dr that have a fraction of the sugar.
Swimming laps and steam room after. Forget about major lifting and treadmills and shit.

Also treadmills and ellipticals are twash as fuck.

 

[haie]

Vegetables (cucumber and celery are pretty much the best thing you can put in your body and repairs the lining in your gut in a way that isn't talked about enough), red meat/fish (salmon), hard boiled eggs, marshmallow root steeped in cold water overnight.
Mangos/bananas prioritized over other fruit.
Black coffee only, if you're going to add non dairy creamer then make your own almond/oat milk as store bought shit has too much sugar.
Fasting once in awhile helps.
Kombucha is a massive scam outside of a few brands like Brew Dr that have a fraction of the sugar.
Swimming laps and steam room after. Forget about major lifting and treadmills and shit.

I don’t think all the cross fit bro type lifting but is necessary. But doing some resistance training is essential to forestall loss of muscle mass as we age. I find various sqauts with the Olympic bar or kettle bell make my ski season way more enjoyable. Dumbbell bench press, pushups, pull ups, seated rows.

Keep it simple

Like, lite lifting and some crunches and push-ups, yeah.
The people doing hardcore lifting into their 40's+ are doing damage to themselves.
If you take lanes seriously and go hard and aren't back stroking with snorkels like a fucking 80 year old stroke victim then you don't really need to do dumb bells imo. I do them like every 3rd time or so.

 

[BleachedAnusDawg]

For my Costco guysm. Highly recommend this protein. One scoop is more protein than 4 eggs.

Bro. Why aren't you getting the Ascent protein?
I used to buy that Optimum. Not gonna say anything bad about it as it will get the gym bros gainz, but I think the Ascent tastes much better and it doesn't have artificial sweeteners in it, either.

my dad recommended it and he’s a 40 year health nut.

does Costco sell the other stuff? I’m open to new things.

Yeah you can get it at Costco, too.
Other than the sucralose, I don't really have anything bad to say about the Optimum. Used it for years.

 

[BleachedAnusDawg]

so then question for my Protein powder guysm
Why? Do you not get enough in your regular diet, or is there something else you’re working towards?
I think I last tried that in high school while trying to gain weight (other than when it comes mixed in yogurt or granola bars).

Better recovery post exercise.

This, and the extra protein will help you build muscle mass faster and it's simpler than having to put meals together.

 

[BleachedAnusDawg]

Vegetables (cucumber and celery are pretty much the best thing you can put in your body and repairs the lining in your gut in a way that isn't talked about enough), red meat/fish (salmon), hard boiled eggs, marshmallow root steeped in cold water overnight.
Mangos/bananas prioritized over other fruit.
Black coffee only, if you're going to add non dairy creamer then make your own almond/oat milk as store bought shit has too much sugar.
Fasting once in awhile helps.
Kombucha is a massive scam outside of a few brands like Brew Dr that have a fraction of the sugar.
Swimming laps and steam room after. Forget about major lifting and treadmills and shit.

Also treadmills and ellipticals are twash as fuck.

Treadmill is twash except for using it on a steep incline. That is a legit workout.

 

[BleachedAnusDawg]

The only problem with swimming is it's a pain in the ass dealing with going to a pool, etc. Otherwise, great exercise.
I still lift weights at 43. No problems whatsoever. I'm also not doing berserk crossfit stuff. Muscle mass and strength is super important to maintain as you age. Also for bone strength.

 

[whlinder]

I’ll say I will deal with a treadmill for the following reasons:
-traveling and need some quick cardio, with no erg available
-need some cardio and want to multitask on the phone so walk at a high incline
-light barefoot jogging, to work different muscles and focus on form
The above makes up like 1% of my cardio though.

I lift about twice per week, nothing crazy heavy, just to ensure cross training happens and to keep everything healthy.

 

[whlinder]

so then question for my Protein powder guysm
Why? Do you not get enough in your regular diet, or is there something else you’re working towards?
I think I last tried that in high school while trying to gain weight (other than when it comes mixed in yogurt or granola bars).

Better recovery post exercise.

This, and the extra protein will help you build muscle mass faster and it's simpler than having to put meals together.

If I don’t want to build mass and instead just stay lean, does it have any utility?

 

[YellowSnow]

Vegetables (cucumber and celery are pretty much the best thing you can put in your body and repairs the lining in your gut in a way that isn't talked about enough), red meat/fish (salmon), hard boiled eggs, marshmallow root steeped in cold water overnight.
Mangos/bananas prioritized over other fruit.
Black coffee only, if you're going to add non dairy creamer then make your own almond/oat milk as store bought shit has too much sugar.
Fasting once in awhile helps.
Kombucha is a massive scam outside of a few brands like Brew Dr that have a fraction of the sugar.
Swimming laps and steam room after. Forget about major lifting and treadmills and shit.

Also treadmills and ellipticals are twash as fuck.

Treadmill is twash except for using it on a steep incline. That is a legit workout.

Agree. When I have to use one like in a hotel gym I make it like doing a steep hike.

 

[YellowSnow]

so then question for my Protein powder guysm
Why? Do you not get enough in your regular diet, or is there something else you’re working towards?
I think I last tried that in high school while trying to gain weight (other than when it comes mixed in yogurt or granola bars).

Better recovery post exercise.

This, and the extra protein will help you build muscle mass faster and it's simpler than having to put meals together.

If I don’t want to build mass and instead just stay lean, does it have any utility?

it’s always good to get plenty of protein and whey has a lot of upside too beyond just being protein.

 

[YellowSnow]

I’ll say I will deal with a treadmill for the following reasons:
-traveling and need some quick cardio, with no erg available
-need some cardio and want to multitask on the phone so walk at a high incline
-light barefoot jogging, to work different muscles and focus on form
The above makes up like 1% of my cardio though.

I lift about twice per week, nothing crazy heavy, just to ensure cross training happens and to keep everything healthy.

swimming is great. It just has to be balanced with something that provides a bit of impact for healthy bones.
One of the great things about Bend is how easy it is to get in some fun, high impact training- ie mt bikes, skiing, hiking, etc.
I hate running so no high impact training option for me there

 

[DerekJohnson]

The difference between the reference range and optimal range for blood work… Huge difference that nobody talks about
.

Blood Test Reference Ranges Are Not Optimal

 

[Pitchfork51]

I speak only for myself
In 2019 went for a check up and got the high blood pressure speech. First one pill then two a day. Had the Gordon Gekko BP monitor on my desk
Was told to stop drinking and smoking weed..
Pills made me feel like shit. As did sobriety
Did my own research lol and found that diet and weight loss and walking could work
Threw away the pills. BP got down. Threw away the monitor. Still here
I saw my mom's medicine cabinet filled to the brim with prescriptions
That didn't strike me as medicine

VO2 Max is the number 1 predictor of longevity.
Diet and stuff matters but people stress out over minutia- e.g., seed oils.
Exercise is king above all else.

I've been dealing with high blood pressure and cholesterol. Several doctors telling me the exact same thing. Exercise, exercise, sleep, diet. That's my order of priorities.

Once upon a time, the docs didn't sweat you too bad on BP if you were below 140/90. Nowadays, you get sweated if you're over 120/80. I've always been in higher range of "normal"…usually like 129 over 83 type stuff. My cholesterol is ok, but no great (something I get from my mom). But my BMI is good and my VO2 max is elite for late 40s guy. I have a YUGE fucking motor.
So my PCP has this cool tool where they input all of your numbers from a blood work and physical to calculate risk of heart disease or stroke in the next 10 years. For a guy at my age, anything below a 5% risk factor in the next 10 years is good. My number was 4%. My doc said if we put you on BP pill to reduce the topline number by 10pts, the risk % only drops to 3% so it's just not worth it.
He said the lowest hanging fruit for me would be to get the number of servings of alcohol down a lot and that would likely drop the BP by 10 pts. It's hard; it's a process cause I want bourbon, I want scotch and I want beer.

hmm I just turned 36 and haven’t really done squat at the pcp for overall health. Where do I even start? Like what do I ask for? I imagine there are some pcps that have more of a focus on this
I always just went to the doctor when I got sick but now I’m getting to the age I should probably think about stuff more.

 

[whlinder]

Go get an annual physical, that's the main starting point. I have no idea if they do a full blood and pisser work up if you don't have a diagnosed issue. Hopefully they do so you can get the info on how you're doing generally and build the history year over year so you can identify if something changes.

 

[whlinder]

The difference between the reference range and optimal range for blood work… Huge difference that nobody talks about
.

Blood Test Reference Ranges Are Not Optimal

Sigh, you're gonna get me to go look at 20 years of blood work to see what those ranges say. I have had blood work done at a bunch of different places, but all in northern VA and Maryland, and all have been pretty universal in the measurement of good.

 

[YellowSnow]

Pure anything sounds sketchy
I actually went vegan for 6 months in California due to my smoking hot assistant being vegan
Lot of fucking work to get protein when you can just grill a steak
Moderation in all things
I know that Al Michaels says he never eats vegetables

Chaffee has been pure carnivore for six years. An Australian researcher gave him a friendly challenge to do his blood work. When the results came back, the researcher said that if he randomly took blood samples of 100,000 people, Chaffee's results would be #1 without a doubt. So Chaffee's argument is that humans ate that way forever until roughly 8,000 years ago when farming took a prominent role, and then of course cancer and dementia suddenly appeared 100 years ago out of nowhere, right in alignment with the industrial revolution and processed foods.
Chaffee also points out situations like where you have Chinese parents who are 5'2" and eating tons of rice and noodles, and then they come to America and they have a son with a more meat-centric diet and the son grows to be 6'2".
There is something to this.

Some food for thought here…
1- I'm always skeptical of "clinical trial of one" type claims. Show me a peer reviewed study based on clinical trails of 1000 "pure carnivores" over 6 years vs 1000 "healthy, balanced diet" guysm, both with equal amounts of physical activity and then we can talk.
2- Our ancestors having been "pure carnivores" before the agricultural revolution is pure hogwash. Almost all hunter/gather societies were omnivores eating the variety of plants as well animal proteins. The only exception I can think of are the Intuits we were evolved over thousands of years to eat and all protein/fat based diet and even then they were living on the edge of what's physically possible as opposed to the healthiest humans to ever walk the Earth.
3- Certainly the mostly rice Chinese or Vietnamese peasant diet wasn't optimal, but then consider who the longest living humans on Earth are. It's the Okinawans who eat mostly rice, soy, vegetables, and little bit of fish and pork. Examples are plentiful around the world of balanced diets that are superior to the American one.

 

[PurpleThrobber]

Pure anything sounds sketchy
I actually went vegan for 6 months in California due to my smoking hot assistant being vegan
Lot of fucking work to get protein when you can just grill a steak
Moderation in all things
I know that Al Michaels says he never eats vegetables

Chaffee has been pure carnivore for six years. An Australian researcher gave him a friendly challenge to do his blood work. When the results came back, the researcher said that if he randomly took blood samples of 100,000 people, Chaffee's results would be #1 without a doubt. So Chaffee's argument is that humans ate that way forever until roughly 8,000 years ago when farming took a prominent role, and then of course cancer and dementia suddenly appeared 100 years ago out of nowhere, right in alignment with the industrial revolution and processed foods.
Chaffee also points out situations like where you have Chinese parents who are 5'2" and eating tons of rice and noodles, and then they come to America and they have a son with a more meat-centric diet and the son grows to be 6'2".
There is something to this.

Some food for thought here…
1- I'm always skeptical of "clinical trial of one" type claims. Show me a peer reviewed study based on clinical trails of 1000 "pure carnivores" over 6 years vs 1000 "healthy, balanced diet" guysm, both with equal amounts of physical activity and then we can talk.
2- Our ancestors having been "pure carnivores" before the agricultural revolution is pure hogwash. Almost all hunter/gather societies were omnivores eating the variety of plants as well animal proteins. The only exception I can think of are the Intuits we were evolved over thousands of years to eat and all protein/fat based diet and even then they were living on the edge of what's physically possible as opposed to the healthiest humans to ever walk the Earth.
3- Certainly the mostly rice Chinese or Vietnamese peasant diet wasn't optimal, but then consider who the longest living humans on Earth are. It's the Okinawans who eat mostly rice, soy, vegetables, and little bit of fish and pork. Examples are plentiful around the world of balanced diets that are superior to the American one.

The Intuits were the inventors of Quickbooks.

 

[YellowSnow]

Pure anything sounds sketchy
I actually went vegan for 6 months in California due to my smoking hot assistant being vegan
Lot of fucking work to get protein when you can just grill a steak
Moderation in all things
I know that Al Michaels says he never eats vegetables

Chaffee has been pure carnivore for six years. An Australian researcher gave him a friendly challenge to do his blood work. When the results came back, the researcher said that if he randomly took blood samples of 100,000 people, Chaffee's results would be #1 without a doubt. So Chaffee's argument is that humans ate that way forever until roughly 8,000 years ago when farming took a prominent role, and then of course cancer and dementia suddenly appeared 100 years ago out of nowhere, right in alignment with the industrial revolution and processed foods.
Chaffee also points out situations like where you have Chinese parents who are 5'2" and eating tons of rice and noodles, and then they come to America and they have a son with a more meat-centric diet and the son grows to be 6'2".
There is something to this.

Some food for thought here…
1- I'm always skeptical of "clinical trial of one" type claims. Show me a peer reviewed study based on clinical trails of 1000 "pure carnivores" over 6 years vs 1000 "healthy, balanced diet" guysm, both with equal amounts of physical activity and then we can talk.
2- Our ancestors having been "pure carnivores" before the agricultural revolution is pure hogwash. Almost all hunter/gather societies were omnivores eating the variety of plants as well animal proteins. The only exception I can think of are the Intuits we were evolved over thousands of years to eat and all protein/fat based diet and even then they were living on the edge of what's physically possible as opposed to the healthiest humans to ever walk the Earth.
3- Certainly the mostly rice Chinese or Vietnamese peasant diet wasn't optimal, but then consider who the longest living humans on Earth are. It's the Okinawans who eat mostly rice, soy, vegetables, and little bit of fish and pork. Examples are plentiful around the world of balanced diets that are superior to the American one.

The Intuits were the inventors of Quickbooks.

The fucking guys on an Alaska Airlines logo.