OFFICIAL Make America Healthy Again Game Thread - Featuring Dr Anthony Chaffee

Denial isn’t a good look.

You realize many of the major food companies were acquired by tobacco conglomerates who already ran these scams in the 60s and 70s
 
On sugar, my midwestern mother has a quite old Better Homes and Gardens cookbook. Subsequent copies have been purchased for my sister and me, but the recipes have changed over the years to where standard recipes now include higher sugar and salt than the version published 60+ years ago. It's pretty wild. I don't use it basically ever since we simply refuse to bake stuff, but they (mom/sister) still love to bake pies and other desserts from time to time. Guess which one of us has the lowest BMI?
I'll eat fast food occasionally but 95% of the time that is going to be no fries and me picking off nearly half the bun.
 
Denial isn’t a good look.

You realize many of the major food companies were acquired by tobacco conglomerates who already ran these scams in the 60s and 70s
I look great, buddy. Ask around.
No one here is disagreeing that the Standard American Diet (SAD) is shit. What policy proposals are you making to get rid of the S.A.D. ? How are you gonna make them big ole SEC boys eat a Mediterranean diet and walk a few miles a day?
Are we gonna ban Coca Cola, Twinkies and wonder bread?
 
Denial isn’t a good look.

You realize many of the major food companies were acquired by tobacco conglomerates who already ran these scams in the 60s and 70s
I look great, buddy. Ask around.
No one here is disagreeing that the Standard American Diet (SAD) is shit. What policy proposals are you making to get rid of the S.A.D. ? How are you gonna make them big ole SEC boys eat a Mediterranean diet and walk a few miles a day?
Are we gonna ban Coca Cola, Twinkies and wonder bread?
You personalize too much. Bobby Kennedy Jr looks great too
It’s about national health and what is being added to the food supply under the governments corrupt approval system.
 
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I'm not making it personal at all Throbber. I'm simply pointing out there there are plenty of zip codes around the USA where obesity is non existent because of exercise and diet.
Again Bobby Jr banning HFCS - which he doesn't have the juice to do anyhow - isn't going to solve obesity in this country.
So I'm asking what are the policy proposals on the table that going to overhaul national health in America?
 
On sugar, my midwestern mother has a quite old Better Homes and Gardens cookbook. Subsequent copies have been purchased for my sister and me, but the recipes have changed over the years to where standard recipes now include higher sugar and salt than the version published 60+ years ago. It's pretty wild. I don't use it basically ever since we simply refuse to bake stuff, but they (mom/sister) still love to bake pies and other desserts from time to time. Guess which one of us has the lowest BMI?
I'll eat fast food occasionally but 95% of the time that is going to be no fries and me picking off nearly half the bun.
I noticed that too when I inherited the De_Jour family copy of the original Joy of Cooking - there was a lot more butter, eggs, etc. and you hardly saw mention of vegetable oil unless it was a salad dressing.

I love making things from scratch, but outside of the winter months, that’s really challenging to do. Our grandparents had more time to make quality meals, and cooking/baking is definitely a skill. One that’s not getting passed on as much, sadly. I think after I took Home Economics the class was axed in my school district due to budget cuts.
 
I’m not dying on a hill to defend HFCS but the cure for obesity is giving up Coke and Pepsi, not switching from one sugar to another. The amount of surgery drinks consumed in this country is disgusting. My parents rarely let us drink soft drinks as kids and the habit stuck. Oh and we didn’t get to have a Nintendo or Sega set up either.
You are not wrong. My contention is the deleterious nature of the #1-3 things to remove from US Food is so great, that it makes it almost impossible to over come.

I would guess your level of activity for someone in your age bracket is high to very-high, in comparison to the mean.

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I suspect my activity level and VO2 max is like 99.99% percentile for my age group. But it's not about me, per se.
People like to call out which population groups around the world are healthier that Americans- e.g., France's obesity rate is 17% vs 40% for the US, and that's fine and dandy. But as I often point to in this thread, you need look no further than West Bend or any other outdoor recreation focused/high education type community in the USA to see what's working- i.e., regular exercise, not overeating, no smoking, and moderate (or little or no) consumption of alcohol. Anecdotally speaking, you almost never see an obese youth, adult or senior on our side of town. And even adults being moderately over weight (though not obese) is very rare. I also suspect peer pressure plays are role as well- i.e., it's less socially acceptable here than in Redmond, Madras or Prineville, OR.
I'm not in disagreement with you that there is likely some public health benefit to elimination or HFCS or Round Up in Cheerios from the US food supply. Or that more research into (potential) adverse affects of seed oils is a worthwhile endeavor. But I view these things as tertiary to the larger problems facing the health of America, which are above all else are sedentary lifestyle and excess food energy in take. Any #MAHA movement needs to address these issues above else.
Same thing in my neck of the woods, Yella. Very few overweight people, super outdoorsy/active…
…but also much more affluent.
It costs more money to be healthy unfortunately.
Nail on the head @Doog_de_Jour The affluent communities are generally living healthy lifestyles. How do you democratize that?
 
BTW, I respectfully suggest we move this to the Tug. You can’t separate a lot of this policy talk from politics at this point.
Make The Shoppe About Music Again!
@DerekJohnson suggested placing it here originally if I recall correctly.
 
I'm not making it personal at all Throbber. I'm simply pointing out there there are plenty of zip codes around the USA where obesity is non existent because of exercise and diet.
Again Bobby Jr banning HFCS - which he doesn't have the juice to do anyhow - isn't going to solve obesity in this country.
So I'm asking what are the policy proposals on the table that going to overhaul national health in America?
Your Google is broken? Or heavily censored?

Try Brave
 
I'm not making it personal at all Throbber. I'm simply pointing out there there are plenty of zip codes around the USA where obesity is non existent because of exercise and diet.
Again Bobby Jr banning HFCS - which he doesn't have the juice to do anyhow - isn't going to solve obesity in this country.
So I'm asking what are the policy proposals on the table that going to overhaul national health in America?
Your Google is broken? Or heavily censored?

Try Brave
Back when I was I youngster in the 1980s and 1990s we didn't need the internet to figure out how to be healthy.
 
BTW, I respectfully suggest we move this to the Tug. You can’t separate a lot of this policy talk from politics at this point.
Make The Shoppe About Music Again!
@DerekJohnson suggested placing it here originally if I recall correctly.
There is more to this conversation. The Original MAHA thread started in TITTT. Ask me how I know.

I'm of the position the answer is neither bored. As a long tim Tug denizen, the MAHA conversation deserves better than that cesspool. Also, the conversation requires a 'political' element that is likewise inappropriate for the Shoppe.

The conversation deserves it's owen vestibule, imo.

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BTW, I respectfully suggest we move this to the Tug. You can’t separate a lot of this policy talk from politics at this point.
Make The Shoppe About Music Again!
@DerekJohnson suggested placing it here originally if I recall correctly.
There is more to this conversation. The Original MAHA thread started in TITTT. Ask me how I know.

I'm of the position the answer is neither bored. As a long tim Tug denizen, the MAHA conversation deserves better than that cesspool. Also, the conversation requires a 'political' element that is likewise inappropriate for the Shoppe.

The conversation deserves it's owen vestibule, imo.

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Tim for Health and Wellness Board with @pawz as moderator?
The Muddy Pawz Spa and Resort?
 
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BTW, I respectfully suggest we move this to the Tug. You can’t separate a lot of this policy talk from politics at this point.
Make The Shoppe About Music Again!
@DerekJohnson suggested placing it here originally if I recall correctly.
There is more to this conversation. The Original MAHA thread started in TITTT. Ask me how I know.

I'm of the position the answer is neither bored. As a long tim Tug denizen, the MAHA conversation deserves better than that cesspool. Also, the conversation requires a 'political' element that is likewise inappropriate for the Shoppe.

The conversation deserves it's owen vestibule, imo.

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That’s fair. I can see the argument either way (EWIWBI?).We had similar issues when the @creepycoug Finance Board was still around. It’s tuff to not bring politics/government into certain topics.

So let’s keep the discussion higher level (RIP Pup)
 
I'm not making it personal at all Throbber. I'm simply pointing out there there are plenty of zip codes around the USA where obesity is non existent because of exercise and diet.
Again Bobby Jr banning HFCS - which he doesn't have the juice to do anyhow - isn't going to solve obesity in this country.
So I'm asking what are the policy proposals on the table that going to overhaul national health in America?
Your Google is broken? Or heavily censored?

Try Brave
Back when I was I youngster in the 1980s and 1990s we didn't need the internet to figure out how to be healthy.
Do you recall when the cigarette companies took over food?

Weird. Late 80s/early 90s
 
Fucking Vanilla…

Yella said - Nail on the head @Doog_de_Jour The affluent communities are generally living healthy lifestyles. How do you democratize that?

That’s the million dollar question, isn’t it? Rich people are always gonna have better shit, be it healthcare, schools, cars, college football programs, etc.
Things have been tried…
Food stamps/vouchers/WIC - I have no idea about the current effectiveness of those systems. When I was unemployed/broke, Uncle Sam always told me to fuck off - I apparently didn’t qualify at that point, which baffled me. I know they’ve tried to make it less prone to abuse (as a kid of the 90s many a political figure would scream, THEY’RE BUYING BOOZE WITH IT!)
Education - another dead end. How many variations of the food pyramid have we seen? Nutrition and Home Economics are non existent in most schools. We all gotta learn to code!
Labeling - Some improvements have been made. Consumers at least have a better idea of what they’re about to put in their mouth - even if it’s garbage.

RFK Jr. isn’t wrong in trying to take down a lot of this stuff. But as we all know, laws are useless unless they’re enforced. And who will make sure the food and beverage companies are compliant?
 
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I'm not making it personal at all Throbber. I'm simply pointing out there there are plenty of zip codes around the USA where obesity is non existent because of exercise and diet.
Again Bobby Jr banning HFCS - which he doesn't have the juice to do anyhow - isn't going to solve obesity in this country.
So I'm asking what are the policy proposals on the table that going to overhaul national health in America?
Your Google is broken? Or heavily censored?

Try Brave
Back when I was I youngster in the 1980s and 1990s we didn't need the internet to figure out how to be healthy.
Do you recall when the cigarette companies took over food?

Weird. Late 80s/early 90s
I think that might’ve changed. I believe Nestle and Tyson still own the largest share…maybe Pepsi and Kraft?
I don’t have Google. 😉
 
I'm not making it personal at all Throbber. I'm simply pointing out there there are plenty of zip codes around the USA where obesity is non existent because of exercise and diet.
Again Bobby Jr banning HFCS - which he doesn't have the juice to do anyhow - isn't going to solve obesity in this country.
So I'm asking what are the policy proposals on the table that going to overhaul national health in America?
Your Google is broken? Or heavily censored?

Try Brave
Back when I was I youngster in the 1980s and 1990s we didn't need the internet to figure out how to be healthy.
Do you recall when the cigarette companies took over food?

Weird. Late 80s/early 90s
Those 1980's Oreos and Cocoa Puffs were so much healthier before Big Tobacco got involved.
 
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In ancient times the wealthy were the fat ones since the peasants all starved. Race was there.
I too observe that people look much less healthy when I leave the suburban bubble. The suburban bubble isn't perfect but it is ahead of the game.
 
I hope this can stay out of the Tug but it definitely wades into a ton of government policy, and we haven't even gotten into the philosophical side of personal freedom and responsibility.
 
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