Official Iran conflict game thread.

PurpleThrobber said:
When inflammatory terms like “bigot” and “dummy” are placed in responses directly quoting a Throbber post. that isn’t navel gazing. That is confrontational.

Killing mullahs has never been in question.
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I didn't call you those things; I said the bigots and the dummies have a hard time distinguishing between Judaism, Israel, Zionism and Mossad, and I stand by that. You posited that you don't have a problem making those distinctions (or you implied it in your post), so my response isn't applicable to you.

I do think, however, that you and many, many, many other people, including a not small number of antisemites, overly rely on this argument that is based on a clear divide of those things as totally separate items, and they're not. Israel is very important to any self-respecting Jew, whether they live there or not. I don't care what the Hollywood fake Jew community says to the contrary. Those people follow whichever way the wind blows and are self-loathing idiots whose opinions mean absolutely nothing to me and anyone else with a mental pulse.
 
creepycoug said:
I didn't call you those things; I said the bigots and the dummies have a hard time distinguishing between Judaism, Israel, Zionism and Mossad, and I stand by that. You posited that you don't have a problem making those distinctions (or you implied it in your post), so my response isn't applicable to you.

I do think, however, that you and many, many, many other people, including a not small number of antisemites, overly rely on this argument that is based on a clear divide of those things as totally separate items, and they're not. Israel is very important to any self-respecting Jew, whether they live there or not. I don't care what the Hollywood fake Jew community says to the contrary. Those people follow whichever way the wind blows and are self-loathing idiots whose opinions mean absolutely nothing to me and anyone else with a mental pulse.
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You are overly generalizing again. And specifically including the Throbber in either anti semites. That is flat out incorrect and borderline offensive. Would you care to restate?
 
PurpleThrobber said:
You are overly generalizing again.
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You are not reading strong, again. Would you care to re-read?

I'll offer you a hint: I can agree with a racist about what time of day it is and whether the soup is hot and not be a racist. But it is as true as the day of the week that a bunch of rabid Jew-hating liberals in the west today REALLY RELY HEAVILY on this argument that Judaism and Israel are distinct such that they can criticize (and go much further) the state of Israel and still hold themselves as not being antisemitic. Abby Martin, Anna Kasparian and Cenk Uyger are experts at this, but that doesn't mean you are similarly motivated. I'm just saying that it's a popular tool of rhetoric employed enthusiastically by a bunch of people who really do want the state of Israel to disappear because they think it's there illegally. Going that far is, to me, antisemitic.

If I thought you were an antisemite I would treat you with much less respect and familiarity than I do. You've seen me in action with people on this board I don't like or respect. That is not the creep you're getting right now, and I suspect you know this.
 
HHusky said:
An awful lot of gauzy, maudlin preaching about Israel being offered here over the past 24 hours in order to shut down any critical thinking about the alliance.
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If you have any specific criticisms to offer other than a blanket observation designed mostly to show off a couple of new $3 words, I'm all ears.

What is the critical thinking I'm shutting down, and how am I shutting it down? Because I'm not responding like Pavlov's dog to the "Israeli policy and Judaism aren't the same thing!!!" dog whistle the way Frau Martin wants me to? Sorry. You're in for more maudlin and gauzy preaching then, I guess.

You always have the option to skip over my posts.
 
creepycoug said:
If you have any specific criticisms to offer other than a blanket observation designed mostly to show off a couple of new $3 words, I'm all ears.

What is the critical thinking I'm shutting down, and how am I shutting it down? Because I'm not responding like Pavlov's dog to the "Israeli policy and Judaism aren't the same thing!!!" dog whistle the way Frau Martin wants me to? Sorry. You're in for more maudlin and gauzy preaching then, I guess.

You always have the option to skip over my posts.
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Shouting that anyone who can distinguish Zionism from Judaism is antisemitic is functionally the same as calling anyone who can distinguish equal opportunity from DEI a racist. Your attempt to cow any opposition to your emotion laden defense of everything Israeli is the opposite of the “just business” approach you falsely claimed to be presenting. Some of us are too fucking old to be that easily manipulated.
 
HHusky said:
Shouting that anyone who can distinguish Zionism from Judaism is antisemitic is functionally the same as calling anyone who can distinguish equal opportunity from DEI a racist. Your attempt to cow any opposition to your emotion laden defense of everything Israeli is the opposite of the “just business” approach you falsely claimed to be presenting. Some of us are too fucking old to be that easily manipulated.
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This is a great example of what creepycoug is talking about
 
HHusky said:
Shouting that anyone who can distinguish Zionism from Judaism is antisemitic is functionally the same as calling anyone who can distinguish equal opportunity from DEI a racist.
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Sure, but I didn't do that. Straw man.

HHusky said:
Your attempt to cow any opposition to your emotion laden defense of everything Israeli is the opposite of the “just business” approach you falsely claimed to be presenting.
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Whether anyone is "cowed" is up to them, not me. I'm not my brother's keeper. HTH. And you are projecting emotion to my comments that does not exist. It's my opinion. You can have another one if you'd like but don't ask me to agree with you just because you jumped up on a soap box. You're doing nothing but ascribing intent to someone you don't know on the internet but are not offering any of the "critical thinking" you so forcefully argue that I'm stifling. Frankly, I don't have to stifle anything because there has been no critical thinking to stifle, just navel gazing and arguments from you in defense of .... nothing!

I mean, grab your balls and say something worth responding to and I'll be happy to do it.

Yes, I think Judaism and Israel are inextricably tied things. No, not every Jew or Jew supporter has to agree with every last thing that Israel does to be a good Jew. But getting in bed with people who think the country is an illegal entity is about as close as you can get without wearing a swastika. Yes, I think the US should support Israel against its enemies unless the circumstances are clear that it shouldn't. This isn't one of those times IMO. We have relationships with other people over there as well. It's not unimportant.
 
creepycoug said:
Sure, but I didn't do that. Straw man.


Whether anyone is "cowed" is up to them, not me. I'm not my brother's keeper. HTH. And you are projecting emotion to my comments that does not exist. It's my opinion. You can have another one if you'd like but don't ask me to agree with you just because you jumped up on a soap box. You're doing nothing but ascribing intent to someone you don't know on the internet but are not offering any of the "critical thinking" you so forcefully argue that I'm stifling. Frankly, I don't have to stifle anything because there has been no critical thinking to stifle, just navel gazing and arguments from you in defense of .... nothing!

I mean, grab your balls and say something worth responding to and I'll be happy to do it.

Yes, I think Judaism and Israel are inextricably tied things. No, not every Jew or Jew supporter has to agree with every last thing that Israel does to be a good Jew. But getting in bed with people who think the country is an illegal entity is about as close as you can get without wearing a swastika. Yes, I think the US should support Israel against its enemies unless the circumstances are clear that it shouldn't. This isn't one of those times IMO. We have relationships with other people over there as well. It's not unimportant.
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Hard headed reality says that Israel is a manipulative friend who we largely support for mostly good reasons. Debating the wisdom of establishing a colony of ethnic Europeans in the Middle East based upon ancient religious claims is pointless after the passage of nearly 80 years, but it’s also nothing to get weepy and sentimental about when gauging US interests. Israel is not sentimental about us.
 
HHusky said:
Hard headed reality says that Israel is a manipulative friend who we largely support for mostly good reasons. Debating the wisdom of establishing a colony of ethnic Europeans in the Middle East based upon ancient religious claims is pointless after the passage of nearly 80 years, but it’s also nothing to get weepy and sentimental about when gauging US interests. Israel is not sentimental about us.
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And the radical Muslims want the Jews in Israel dead. That is the hard headed reality that the leftards are missing. And the same people are saying Death to America and trying to do something about it. Team Dazzler says letting them have nukes and ICBMs is the rational response.
 
WestlinnDuck said:
And the radical Muslims want the Jews in Israel dead. That is the hard headed reality that the leftards are missing. And the same people are saying Death to America and trying to do something about it. Team Dazzler says letting them have nukes and ICBMs is the rational response.
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Declare victory and leave after 30 days guy says Iran is just minutes away from having the bomb . . . again. And anyone who doesn’t support the ever shifting rationales for this adventure wants them to have the bomb.

What cult?
 
HHusky said:
Declare victory and leave after 30 days guy says Iran is just minutes away from having the bomb . . . again. And anyone who doesn’t support the ever shifting rationales for this adventure wants them to have the bomb.

What cult?
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So you and the rest of Team Dazzler supported the February air assault with our Israeli allies? And we end it with the Iranians waiting for a dem president to re-arm up and the Iranians tolling the International waters of the Straight? Don't hurt yourself.
 
WestlinnDuck said:
So you and the rest of Team Dazzler supported the February air assault with our Israeli allies? And we end it with the Iranians waiting for a dem president to re-arm up and the Iranians tolling the International waters of the Straight? Don't hurt yourself.
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It’s a little late now to deny you wanted to cut and run if the Iranians didn’t rise up and replace the regime in 30 days. But it was “regime change” then. A guess on your part; Daddy hadn’t decided.

When do you girls settle on your final rationale for the war?
 
HHusky said:
It’s a little late now to deny you wanted to cut and run if the Iranians didn’t rise up and replace the regime in 30 days. But it was “regime change” then. A guess on your part; Daddy hadn’t decided.

When do you girls settle on your final rationale for the war?
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Meaningless drivel
 
HHusky said:
Debating the wisdom of establishing a colony of ethnic Europeans in the Middle East based upon ancient religious claims is pointless after the passage of nearly 80 years,
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I agree.

HHusky said:
but it’s also nothing to get weepy and sentimental about when gauging US interests.
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Yeah, and I'm not doing those things. That's a red herring. I actually don't know what you're talking about. The last time I was weepy or sentimental about anything was when Carson Beck threw an interception to ice the natty for Indiana.

The way I describe Israel as an island of rationality in a sea of the irrational is cold and calculated. It just is a western outpost in the Middle East that we need from time to time. That it is also a place culturally more attuned to the way I see the world is a big benefit because I want their way of thinking to spread. Not personal; just business.

Nothing to do with sentimentality. When I talk about Israel being a sanctuary for Jews, that is an undisputed fact. But that observation is relevant in the context of intellectually divorcing Israel from Judaism, which is a favorite tool of the thinly veiled crowd of people who do in fact think it to be an illegal state. And I just don't know how anyone can call themselves a Jew and argue for the elimination of the state of Israel. The two go very much hand in hand, at least to a great many Jews.

Having said all that, I see their "hands off" policy in the West Bank, and what I perceive as a move toward radicalization of the population through attraction of more and more fundies, to be concerning. But I also know that if left alone Israel would be a good neighbor to anyone. The problem is, all the 360 degree aggression that surrounds it seems to be doing its work and, especially after 10/7, the population seems to have shifted in their views.
 
HHusky said:
It’s a little late now to deny you wanted to cut and run if the Iranians didn’t rise up and replace the regime in 30 days. But it was “regime change” then. A guess on your part; Daddy hadn’t decided.

When do you girls settle on your final rationale for the war?
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I'd cut and run if we were bogged down. We aren't. And again you haven't refuted any of my points. Your view that they are stronger than before February 18 is just IRCG propaganda. Just say you want to leave them with the straight to toll and get back to rearming and nuking up. All the IRC has to do is open the straight, give up the uranium and then I'm good, not perfect because as soon as there is a dem president they will get back to it.
 
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