Official Debate game thread

CallMeBigErn said:
Bob_C said:
CallMeBigErn said:
Bob_C said:
What BigErn doesn’t realize, is that replacing Biden and losing to Trump is a career ender. You’ll get candidates accordingly.
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Running Biden after that debate and losing to Trump is dropping a nuclear warhead on the Democrat party and democracy at large.
You run whoever has the best chance of beating Trump, full stop. Biden has tons of policy wins and that barely matters in this election. Too many people are ignorant to what he's done as well as the consequences of Trump being elected. Biden is incapable of communicating what he has done, his vision for the future, and the autocracy/kleptocracy that Trump and his machine envisions and details daily. It's all out there for everyone to see and this should be a cakewalk. Alas, it is not.
Voting is psychological for the majority of our electorate. You need to be able to look at someone and say, yeah that's a confident leader. See: Trump. Public appearance matters. How you carry yourself is a big deal. That's just how it is. People who pay attention look at truth, governance, and policy, sure. This would be a landslide if that's all that mattered. It's clearly more than that and this election is a numbers game at this point. Moving on from Biden isn't going to make Democrats stay home. That's a false narrative, as well as running someone else being a career ender if they lost. See: Nixon or the numerous other examples throughout history of candidates who lost races and won offices later. Furthermore, there would be plenty benefit of the doubt to be given, whoever the new nominee is. Whoever that is shouldn't be afraid.
There's only upside to moving on. Someone who inspires confidence can sway swing voters, motivate voters more than Biden, and jump start hope for a depressed America teetering on the edge, especially for younger folk. It's really simple to me.
All it takes is someone who can communicate democratic values, a vision, and why it's all at risk. Someone who inspires confidence, and preferably has the experience and voice to back it up. Newsom and Whitmer do not have the experience. Kamala and Jeffries do. Kamala is not a winning proposition, imo. It's too close to the home. Jeffries is my dark horse, no pun intended.
Obviously Democrats are in a less than ideal situation right now, and I'm pissed about it. The lack of preparation, forethought, and square pegging astounds me. Games are won in the fourth quarter though. There's still time to do the right thing, and, like I said before, moving on from Joe should be the last thing Trump wants right now.
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Your party and the media lied their asses off about Joe’s condition. That’s the bigger story here.
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To be fair, it's been a steep drop over the last few months. The Biden of 6-12 months ago is not the same as today. This is what happens when you're an octogenarian and your speed, mobility, and mouth fails you. It should have been expected last year that running Biden for a second term until he was 86 wasn't the best idea. It didn't happen, for reasons that will be picked apart ad nauseam. It takes time for party members/left leaning media to come to grips, especially when talking about the party's nominee and current sitting president. Of course there's gonna be some painting of roses there and bluster about unity during a campaign, especially when defending attacks on his senility from the right. Those attacks are still baseless, to this day. This isn't about Biden being senile or administrating poorly, that's all fine. This is about campaigning, speaking publicly, projecting confidence, not being old as fuck, an ability to not die in office, and beating Trump.
If you wanna get started on lies, gaslighting, and protecting/swearing fealty to a party leader, from the party and media, you really don't want to go there, believe me. There is hardly an equivalence between Trump and Biden in this arena. The GOP has had 9 years to come to grips and still hasn't. You're welcome to run with this line though.

The debate is exactly the system shock Democrats needed, if they do the logical thing. If they don't, well, I'll be rendered speechless like Biden in a debate.
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"Why Biden being senile is a good thing."
 
"Biden has tons of policy wins …" More word salad from Ern who really doesn't like to get in the weeds with like discussing actual policy wins.
 
CallMeBigErn said:
Bob_C said:
What BigErn doesn’t realize, is that replacing Biden and losing to Trump is a career ender. You’ll get candidates accordingly.
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Running Biden after that debate and losing to Trump is dropping a nuclear warhead on the Democrat party and democracy at large.
You run whoever has the best chance of beating Trump, full stop. Biden has tons of policy wins and that barely matters in this election. Too many people are ignorant to what he's done as well as the consequences of Trump being elected. Biden is incapable of communicating what he has done, his vision for the future, and the autocracy/kleptocracy that Trump and his machine envisions and details daily. It's all out there for everyone to see and this should be a cakewalk. Alas, it is not.
Voting is psychological for the majority of our electorate. You need to be able to look at someone and say, yeah that's a confident leader. See: Trump. Public appearance matters. How you carry yourself is a big deal. That's just how it is. People who pay attention look at truth, governance, and policy, sure. This would be a landslide if that's all that mattered. It's clearly more than that and this election is a numbers game at this point. Moving on from Biden isn't going to make Democrats stay home. That's a false narrative, as well as running someone else being a career ender if they lost. See: Nixon or the numerous other examples throughout history of candidates who lost races and won offices later. Furthermore, there would be plenty benefit of the doubt to be given, whoever the new nominee is. Whoever that is shouldn't be afraid.
There's only upside to moving on. Someone who inspires confidence can sway swing voters, motivate voters more than Biden, and jump start hope for a depressed America teetering on the edge, especially for younger folk. It's really simple to me.
All it takes is someone who can communicate democratic values, a vision, and why it's all at risk. Someone who inspires confidence, and preferably has the experience and voice to back it up. Newsom and Whitmer do not have the experience. Kamala and Jeffries do. Kamala is not a winning proposition, imo. It's too close to the home. Jeffries is my dark horse, no pun intended.
Obviously Democrats are in a less than ideal situation right now, and I'm pissed about it. The lack of preparation, forethought, and square pegging astounds me. Games are won in the fourth quarter though. There's still time to do the right thing, and, like I said before, moving on from Joe should be the last thing Trump wants right now.
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What are his policy wins? Be sure to show your work
 
Sources said:
CallMeBigErn said:
Bob_C said:
What BigErn doesn’t realize, is that replacing Biden and losing to Trump is a career ender. You’ll get candidates accordingly.
Click to expand...
Running Biden after that debate and losing to Trump is dropping a nuclear warhead on the Democrat party and democracy at large.
You run whoever has the best chance of beating Trump, full stop. Biden has tons of policy wins and that barely matters in this election. Too many people are ignorant to what he's done as well as the consequences of Trump being elected. Biden is incapable of communicating what he has done, his vision for the future, and the autocracy/kleptocracy that Trump and his machine envisions and details daily. It's all out there for everyone to see and this should be a cakewalk. Alas, it is not.
Voting is psychological for the majority of our electorate. You need to be able to look at someone and say, yeah that's a confident leader. See: Trump. Public appearance matters. How you carry yourself is a big deal. That's just how it is. People who pay attention look at truth, governance, and policy, sure. This would be a landslide if that's all that mattered. It's clearly more than that and this election is a numbers game at this point. Moving on from Biden isn't going to make Democrats stay home. That's a false narrative, as well as running someone else being a career ender if they lost. See: Nixon or the numerous other examples throughout history of candidates who lost races and won offices later. Furthermore, there would be plenty benefit of the doubt to be given, whoever the new nominee is. Whoever that is shouldn't be afraid.
There's only upside to moving on. Someone who inspires confidence can sway swing voters, motivate voters more than Biden, and jump start hope for a depressed America teetering on the edge, especially for younger folk. It's really simple to me.
All it takes is someone who can communicate democratic values, a vision, and why it's all at risk. Someone who inspires confidence, and preferably has the experience and voice to back it up. Newsom and Whitmer do not have the experience. Kamala and Jeffries do. Kamala is not a winning proposition, imo. It's too close to the home. Jeffries is my dark horse, no pun intended.
Obviously Democrats are in a less than ideal situation right now, and I'm pissed about it. The lack of preparation, forethought, and square pegging astounds me. Games are won in the fourth quarter though. There's still time to do the right thing, and, like I said before, moving on from Joe should be the last thing Trump wants right now.
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What are his policy wins? Be sure to show your work
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Yeah, not here to list off and defend Biden's accomplishments in the Tug court to have them denied and refuted by hyper-partisan truth deniers and conspiracy peddlers. I'm not a masochist. You can use the internet if you're genuinely interested. I suspect you're not, and you won't. This place doesn't debate in good faith, as I've said before. Only a wholesale Tug come to Jesus moment will change that. Not gonna be baited with a question irrelevant to my post's intent, why Joe Biden needs to step the fuck down. That's all I'm interested in at the moment.
 
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CallMeBigErn said:
Sources said:
CallMeBigErn said:
Bob_C said:
What BigErn doesn’t realize, is that replacing Biden and losing to Trump is a career ender. You’ll get candidates accordingly.
Click to expand...
Running Biden after that debate and losing to Trump is dropping a nuclear warhead on the Democrat party and democracy at large.
You run whoever has the best chance of beating Trump, full stop. Biden has tons of policy wins and that barely matters in this election. Too many people are ignorant to what he's done as well as the consequences of Trump being elected. Biden is incapable of communicating what he has done, his vision for the future, and the autocracy/kleptocracy that Trump and his machine envisions and details daily. It's all out there for everyone to see and this should be a cakewalk. Alas, it is not.
Voting is psychological for the majority of our electorate. You need to be able to look at someone and say, yeah that's a confident leader. See: Trump. Public appearance matters. How you carry yourself is a big deal. That's just how it is. People who pay attention look at truth, governance, and policy, sure. This would be a landslide if that's all that mattered. It's clearly more than that and this election is a numbers game at this point. Moving on from Biden isn't going to make Democrats stay home. That's a false narrative, as well as running someone else being a career ender if they lost. See: Nixon or the numerous other examples throughout history of candidates who lost races and won offices later. Furthermore, there would be plenty benefit of the doubt to be given, whoever the new nominee is. Whoever that is shouldn't be afraid.
There's only upside to moving on. Someone who inspires confidence can sway swing voters, motivate voters more than Biden, and jump start hope for a depressed America teetering on the edge, especially for younger folk. It's really simple to me.
All it takes is someone who can communicate democratic values, a vision, and why it's all at risk. Someone who inspires confidence, and preferably has the experience and voice to back it up. Newsom and Whitmer do not have the experience. Kamala and Jeffries do. Kamala is not a winning proposition, imo. It's too close to the home. Jeffries is my dark horse, no pun intended.
Obviously Democrats are in a less than ideal situation right now, and I'm pissed about it. The lack of preparation, forethought, and square pegging astounds me. Games are won in the fourth quarter though. There's still time to do the right thing, and, like I said before, moving on from Joe should be the last thing Trump wants right now.
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What are his policy wins? Be sure to show your work
Click to expand...
Yeah, not here to list off Biden's accomplishments in the Tug court to have them denied and refuted by hyper-partisan truth deniers and conspiracy peddlers. I'm not a masochist. You can use the internet if you're genuinely interested. I suspect you're not, and you won't. This place doesn't debate in good faith, as I've said before. Only a wholesale Tug come to Jesus moment will change that. Not gonna be baited with a question irrelevant to my post's intent, why Joe Biden needs to step the fuck down. That's all I'm interested in at the moment.
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Holier than thou deflection is code for he has no wins
 
CallMeBigErn said:
Sources said:
CallMeBigErn said:
Bob_C said:
What BigErn doesn’t realize, is that replacing Biden and losing to Trump is a career ender. You’ll get candidates accordingly.
Click to expand...
Running Biden after that debate and losing to Trump is dropping a nuclear warhead on the Democrat party and democracy at large.
You run whoever has the best chance of beating Trump, full stop. Biden has tons of policy wins and that barely matters in this election. Too many people are ignorant to what he's done as well as the consequences of Trump being elected. Biden is incapable of communicating what he has done, his vision for the future, and the autocracy/kleptocracy that Trump and his machine envisions and details daily. It's all out there for everyone to see and this should be a cakewalk. Alas, it is not.
Voting is psychological for the majority of our electorate. You need to be able to look at someone and say, yeah that's a confident leader. See: Trump. Public appearance matters. How you carry yourself is a big deal. That's just how it is. People who pay attention look at truth, governance, and policy, sure. This would be a landslide if that's all that mattered. It's clearly more than that and this election is a numbers game at this point. Moving on from Biden isn't going to make Democrats stay home. That's a false narrative, as well as running someone else being a career ender if they lost. See: Nixon or the numerous other examples throughout history of candidates who lost races and won offices later. Furthermore, there would be plenty benefit of the doubt to be given, whoever the new nominee is. Whoever that is shouldn't be afraid.
There's only upside to moving on. Someone who inspires confidence can sway swing voters, motivate voters more than Biden, and jump start hope for a depressed America teetering on the edge, especially for younger folk. It's really simple to me.
All it takes is someone who can communicate democratic values, a vision, and why it's all at risk. Someone who inspires confidence, and preferably has the experience and voice to back it up. Newsom and Whitmer do not have the experience. Kamala and Jeffries do. Kamala is not a winning proposition, imo. It's too close to the home. Jeffries is my dark horse, no pun intended.
Obviously Democrats are in a less than ideal situation right now, and I'm pissed about it. The lack of preparation, forethought, and square pegging astounds me. Games are won in the fourth quarter though. There's still time to do the right thing, and, like I said before, moving on from Joe should be the last thing Trump wants right now.
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What are his policy wins? Be sure to show your work
Click to expand...
Yeah, not here to list off Biden's accomplishments in the Tug court to have them denied and refuted by hyper-partisan truth deniers and conspiracy peddlers. I'm not a masochist. You can use the internet if you're genuinely interested. I suspect you're not, and you won't. This place doesn't debate in good faith, as I've said before. Only a wholesale Tug come to Jesus moment will change that. Not gonna be baited with a question irrelevant to my post's intent, why Joe Biden needs to step the fuck down. That's all I'm interested in at the moment.
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Name one.
 
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I can't believe I read a Biden voter say with Trump we should fear a kleptocracy. While voting for Biden. This shit is hysterical.
 
Swaye said:
I can't believe I read a Biden voter say with Trump we should fear a kleptocracy. While voting for Biden. This shit is hysterical.
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The entire premise that Trump will be a dictator by dismantling the federal bureaucracy...
 
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