Also 0 - 1 against capitalism.
Most overrated empire in History (redux)
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I meant to follow up with @CFetters_Nacho_Lover on this. I think if you look at early 1941-42 performance of the Soviets they look twash AF and there's no way they get to Berlin in April 1945 with out lend lease. At the same time, the US probably is looking at 500K to 750K dead to take Germany w/o Soviet cannon fodder.
But you have to look at the USSR based on the cold war might.
- First in Space
- Massive Ground Game that could have overrun NATO conventionally rather easily
- Good military equipment- i.e., tanks, jets, SAMs
- Energy sufficiency
- Only country other thank @ukdawg and @SECDAWG to ever pose and existential threat the the US Homefront.
0-1 against oil price collapse.
The Soviet ground game was worthless because the US had an air game that would vaporize them. Much smarter because missels don't eat
They had to steal any technology they got just like any commies. Worthless ideology
They had to steal any technology they got just like any commies. Worthless ideology
1-0 only because of us
Selling the rope
I love that there’s a John Bircher twatter handle.
He’s party fully of shit here. Every studabaker and p-39 sent to Stalin saved America lives by improving the ruskie ability to kill Nazis.
But in hindsight we should have dialed back the volume a bit in 1944. FDR was naive about Uncle Joe.
By f-15 us has pulled way ahead on jet tech. But before that Ruskies has great jets and SAM tech. MiG 15 totally shocked us over Korean. Russian SAMs were tough over Nam and shor down a ton of our jets (flown by the IDF) in the Yom Kippor War.
Soviet designs started showing cracks once we about about 20-25 years post WWII
Japan was a lot tougher empire and we didn't need any commies to whip them
The Soviets were unbeatable until Ronnie spent them into the grave. Then it was inevitable and always going to happen
US had air superiority in every conflict Post ww2
There was no reason to give them shit other than the fact that the US government was infiltrated. And the schools and the media
Anti communists were always freaks according to the elites. And always right
Carter was ready to give it all away when Reagan took over. Thank Allah for anti communists
The Soviets were unbeatable until Ronnie spent them into the grave. Then it was inevitable and always going to happen
US had air superiority in every conflict Post ww2
There was no reason to give them shit other than the fact that the US government was infiltrated. And the schools and the media
Anti communists were always freaks according to the elites. And always right
Carter was ready to give it all away when Reagan took over. Thank Allah for anti communists
The whole CA Inland Empire thing is dumb. Riverside/Ontario/SB/Moreno Valley are just extensions of LA.
Palm Springs? Okay, that's a separate area.
Palm Springs? Okay, that's a separate area.
Not sure why the Ottoman Empire is getting votes.
I know how much this board loves Muslims though...
I know how much this board loves Muslims though...
Yeah, we would have dropped on Germany, but it wasn't necessary because the Red Army did the job of killing 9/10 of every Wehrmacht/Herr soldier. We didn't even know if the bomb would work when Germany surrendered.
Japan wasn't that great of an Empire. Their Army was shit (weak as fuck on tanks and artillery) and couldn't even beat China after a decade of trying and got their butts kicked by the Soviets in the 1939 border war and in Manchuria in Aug 1945. They were good a fighting to the last man and inflicting casualties but never had any successful opposed amphibious landings.
None of this is to say their Naval achievements weren't great for a time. They had by far the most impressive carrier forces in the World in 1941 and even in after Midway they still outnumbered the US in fleet carriers and planes. It wasn't until the Essex class ships came online a year later in mid 1943 that the US truly got the upper hand.
Were the Essex class carriers the fast escort carriers? I just a book on the USS Cowpens which was an escort carrier. Amazing ingenuity to take either destroyers or cruisers and convert them into small carriers and get them into the fight quickly while the larger fleet carriers were getting built.
Essex class were the full size, fast "fleet" carriers. We built 24 during the war and shortly thereafter.
Essex-class aircraft carrier - Wikipedia
"Escort" carriers were much smaller in displacement, much slower, and carried about half the planes but the USN figured out we could built them faster and cheaper and they were a very useful platform. We built about 80 during the war.
Casablanca-class escort carrier - Wikipedia
Need to get @Swaye to start posting somewhere besides Tug and weigh in.
creepycoug
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As empires go, they were like a sports car stuck in first gear. Great off the line but you gotta be able to shift down and close. Be it inherent limitations (resources, ideology) or Hitler decision making, they faded fast. They sure had half the world or more scared shitless for a bit, though.
The fucking British holding their own in the air while they were, as Churchill said, "alone". I'm no expert but you have to think Goering was like, "Oh fuck. We thought once we had air strips in France we were gonna fuck these guys but not so fast my friend." And then Barbarossa. What? You were that sure the US wasn't going to get involved or just gave no fucks? He was no Alexander the Great, that's for sure.
You can't do amphibious invasions w/o a fuck ton of boats and command of the skies. The Germans had neither.
They were a very good infantry force - the best of the War by far - but with shitty @Logistics .
The United States is the only nation in history to conquer powerful foes across vast oceans and in one those instances we had a lot of help.
But the Germans had the best marketing as a scary, evil empire. Hugo Boss unis. Cool guns and tanks.