Judd in his heavyweight bout against Ohio State.
Head Coach Jedd Fisch Postgame Press Conference: Ohio State
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Judd in his heavyweight bout against Ohio State.
Tequilla
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The Oregon vs Penn State game was probably the #2 game of the week depending on how you viewed the Bama at Georgia game
Did it ever occur to people that the reason Jedd is talking about the quality of the game vs Ohio State and including in the same sphere of Oregon/Penn St is messaging to his players?
Anybody citing Jedd being .500 at UW and holding anything tied to last year as indicative of what his future will be as UW coach needs to take a long walk for perspective.
This isn't the 2000s anymore.
Did it ever occur to people that the reason Jedd is talking about the quality of the game vs Ohio State and including in the same sphere of Oregon/Penn St is messaging to his players?
Anybody citing Jedd being .500 at UW and holding anything tied to last year as indicative of what his future will be as UW coach needs to take a long walk for perspective.
This isn't the 2000s anymore.
I get that, but they weren’t SEC tough in the trenches. They had some nice players, maybe even a great one or two but quality depth was always a problem on those teams. TOSU, LSU and Auburn pushed those kids around. The teams the last four years have been pretty stout along the lines and actually have good depth as well.
lol, good grief. You just make shit up and pass it off as a fact. He's their head coach and he needs to send a message to his team in a press conference none of them will ever listen to when he's around them more than their teachers and families and girlfriends? And you insult everyone else's intelligence with some stupid fucking idea you state is a fact?
And what a stupid fucking message. You lost at home by 18 to a true freshman QB making his first start on the road, you can hang with anyone!!!
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So we gave Judd last year. So what?
This is this year. And everything is indicative including his career losing record
How many more years should we give him?
UW didn't think a coach who took a team from 4-8 to 25-3 was worth keeping
Neither is Judd
This is this year. And everything is indicative including his career losing record
How many more years should we give him?
UW didn't think a coach who took a team from 4-8 to 25-3 was worth keeping
Neither is Judd
Tequilla
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Race,
I can always count on you for not knowing that beaches exist for perspective
Last year the roster was gutted from a combination of factors and really was more of a Year 0 for Jedd instead of a Year 1. Can you imagine what the roster would have looked like if Jedd wasn't able to bring a number of players from Arizona?
When you cite his career record it shows a complete lack of understanding of what he took over at Arizona and the path that he took that program on. Quite frankly its ignorant and you're not the only person in the UW fanbase that misses the mark on that.
You assume that 1) UW didn't try to keep DeBoer and 2) that there was a price at which DeBoer would have stayed.
You could make reasonable arguments as to whether DeBoer or Fisch was the right coach to manage this program from 2024 forward and I'm not sure that the answer to that question is clear and obvious.
I can always count on you for not knowing that beaches exist for perspective
Last year the roster was gutted from a combination of factors and really was more of a Year 0 for Jedd instead of a Year 1. Can you imagine what the roster would have looked like if Jedd wasn't able to bring a number of players from Arizona?
When you cite his career record it shows a complete lack of understanding of what he took over at Arizona and the path that he took that program on. Quite frankly its ignorant and you're not the only person in the UW fanbase that misses the mark on that.
You assume that 1) UW didn't try to keep DeBoer and 2) that there was a price at which DeBoer would have stayed.
You could make reasonable arguments as to whether DeBoer or Fisch was the right coach to manage this program from 2024 forward and I'm not sure that the answer to that question is clear and obvious.
Are you two going to take the gloves off?
Oh so you're just making shit up and NOT passing it off as a fact this time? Has it ever occurred to you that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about? You're defending a massively stupid, embarrassing thing for him to have said, and telling people to touch grass after a 3 score home loss because you're a doog. That's a fact.
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If you wonder if Fisch or DeBoer are better then I rest my case
Same kind of retards run the program
How about we hold Fisch to the record DeBoer built without an exhibition season?
No one cares about last year. It's gone
And yes UW could have and should have kept DeBoer.
JFC
Just to piss off DTD, what's your take on Demond @Tequilla I have some pessadawg concerns and am at the very least the "best player on the field" pre-game talk was insane hyperbole.
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Tequilla
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Coaches say stupid shit all the time
I'd recommend instead of getting your panties in a wad at every small thing that you look at the bigger picture …
This team competed well all things considered against Ohio St given the talent gaps on the roster.
A successful season this year is getting to the Oregon game at 9-2 with a chance to get into the CFP if they win that game. Not trying to say that this year doesn't matter, but this season is laying the foundation for the next 1-2 years.
If you honestly look at the overall roster and view this as a CFP team that can do damage then I don't know what to tell you.
Finishing top 15-20 this year would be a really good year … there's room to punch above that and that's the (stretch) goal.
There's a lot of youth on this roster and still some roster gaps … it's ok to be honest about that.
I'd recommend instead of getting your panties in a wad at every small thing that you look at the bigger picture …
This team competed well all things considered against Ohio St given the talent gaps on the roster.
A successful season this year is getting to the Oregon game at 9-2 with a chance to get into the CFP if they win that game. Not trying to say that this year doesn't matter, but this season is laying the foundation for the next 1-2 years.
If you honestly look at the overall roster and view this as a CFP team that can do damage then I don't know what to tell you.
Finishing top 15-20 this year would be a really good year … there's room to punch above that and that's the (stretch) goal.
There's a lot of youth on this roster and still some roster gaps … it's ok to be honest about that.
Tequilla
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From a gameday coaching perspective, DeBoer is better than Fisch.
From a running the program standpoint, I do think it's fair to question whether DeBoer was a long-term fit here when you go back and look at his recruiting and more importantly his interest in it. DeBoer was much more interested in short-term fixes and leveraging the portal. Fisch's approach to building the program up through recruiting and development is the more sustainable approach long-term.
So when I say that there are valid arguments to both as the answer, that's what I'm referring to.
The problem with your "analysis" Race is that you're failing to acknowledge the impact that players have on a coach and their success …
DeBoer got Years 5 and 6 of Penix combined with 3 NFL WRs and a solid number of holdovers from Petersen's recruiting in his 1st 2 years
Fisch got a heavily depleted roster in Year 1 and if you look at expected win totals you're looking at 8-10 wins for Fisch in Year 2 … which would be comparable to DeBoer's Year 1 despite having a far younger roster impacted by recruiting voids from the Lake era and recruiting indifference from DeBoer
I don't like that we weren't able to retain DeBoer … I know a very solid offer was made to him (substantially more money than Fisch makes). As I said previously, was there a number that would have got DeBoer to say no to Alabama? If we're being honest I'm not sure that there was a number.
From a running the program standpoint, I do think it's fair to question whether DeBoer was a long-term fit here when you go back and look at his recruiting and more importantly his interest in it. DeBoer was much more interested in short-term fixes and leveraging the portal. Fisch's approach to building the program up through recruiting and development is the more sustainable approach long-term.
So when I say that there are valid arguments to both as the answer, that's what I'm referring to.
The problem with your "analysis" Race is that you're failing to acknowledge the impact that players have on a coach and their success …
DeBoer got Years 5 and 6 of Penix combined with 3 NFL WRs and a solid number of holdovers from Petersen's recruiting in his 1st 2 years
Fisch got a heavily depleted roster in Year 1 and if you look at expected win totals you're looking at 8-10 wins for Fisch in Year 2 … which would be comparable to DeBoer's Year 1 despite having a far younger roster impacted by recruiting voids from the Lake era and recruiting indifference from DeBoer
I don't like that we weren't able to retain DeBoer … I know a very solid offer was made to him (substantially more money than Fisch makes). As I said previously, was there a number that would have got DeBoer to say no to Alabama? If we're being honest I'm not sure that there was a number.
Tequilla
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Stay tuned …
How in the fucking world can you type that shit with a straight face? Fisch took 19 transfers this last cycle. DeBoer took 19 total in his 2 years. DeBoer isn't interested in developing talent, but was the OC at Indiana for Penix's best season there.
And here you go again making shit up and acting like they're facts. You don't know a god damned thing about how either of these guys want to run a program. Your arrogance is trumped only by your ignorance.
If you want to argue KDB didn't need to hit the portal because of the roster he inherited, fine, but you don't know a flying fuck about how either man approaches wiping his ass, let alone running a CFB business.
How many transfers did he take at Sioux Falls on his way to 67-3?
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Tequilla
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I'm tempted to make this extra TL, DR for spite
As for Demond, let's start with saying that he's got a very special skill set. His accuracy level is what you dream of in a young QB and then you add some solid arm strength to go with it and you're working with great tools. His legs are far more of an asset than negative and enables him to make plays that are the exception to the rule as a QB.
We need to also remember that he's a young QB, has made 6 career starts, and 2 of those starts were against the #1 team in the country where those teams have done a good job of highlighting areas for him to grow and improve in.
Ohio St exposed some items for him as a young QB that he'll need to work on. The good news is few teams on our schedule are going to have the number of future pros on its defense with the ability to execute what Ohio St did … it's important to keep that in mind walking away from this weekend.
I do think that Demond's accuracy (completion %) is a bit of a weakness for him right now in that he's so focused on hitting his receivers between the numbers (which he does at a high frequency) through clean windows and not turning over the ball that it causes him trouble as he's yet to really learn that it's ok to make tighter window throws. For example, think back to Penix and the number of throws he'd make where it was either his receiver making the play or nobody … think low and to the outside. Right now these are throws that Demond doesn't make. He needs to get better making more "dirty" throws where it doesn't necessarily look perfect but gets the ball to where it needs to go … how many throws on a Sunday do you see where the QB is sidearm slinging the ball or whatever finding an angle that doesn't really exist?
Demond's leg talent is obviously special and up until this point in his development he's been able to rely on his legs to get him out of trouble when it comes. Against elite athletes like Ohio St had (particularly at LB) he's finding out that just taking off and running isn't going to bail out bad situations. He's going to have to learn when to take off and run versus when to learn the threat of his legs to create throwing windows by forcing defenders to commit.
These are GOOD problems for a young QB to have and work on via development. I'd much rather have these issues to work with a QB on versus say the challenges of coaching a QB like Jake Haener that can be reckless with the ball and be turnover prone.
UW fans should be really excited at what is possible for Demond. There's a lot of reason to be very optimistic that a CFP berth is on the horizon. A shot at it this year isn't off the table. I've said for a while that I think that 2026 is the year where we're a real contender for the CFP with a chance to do something if we get in. If Demond stays for 2027 the upside is really high.
We need to get out of this rut of thinking every player is a finished product and in particular with young players not understanding that they are going to grow and develop (even Penix continued developing).
We also need to get out of this rut of thinking that the sky is falling after every loss … particularly when it's to a team/program that is on a different level than we are right now. We're ascending but we're not a National Championship contender at this moment like Ohio State is. What matters is that we're progressing towards that level.
There's way too much negativity and PTSD tied to the fans of this program that just assume the worst at all times.
You may have just hit the mendoza line today.
PostGameOrangeSlices
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UW wasn't keeping DeBoer. You keep beating that dead horse but as soon as Saban decided to retire DeBoer was gone and there is fucking NOTHING that could've stopped that.
Stepping Stone U got squashed.
