I think the program winning one game in 2004 and zero in 2008 had something to do with that. Plus a shitload of mediocrity surrounding all of those.
Do you think this just happens by accident?
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We had some good history no doubt. It's just quite on the level of, say, 2012- 2024 Ohio State History.
If you look at the peak Don James run of, say, 1980- 92 we've got 3 x Top 5 finishes. Ohio State has 10 x top 5 finishes from 2012- 2024.
We were clearly the best program in the Pac 10 and able to play with anyone in the country in the Top 5 type season, but there were some mediocre seasons too and @RaceBannon had his finger on the button with DJ.
I think the difference through is the history being the agent of inertia as @creepycoug so eloquently put it. There's something in the DNA of The Ohio State University Institution and Fan Base that's missing in UW/Seattle. They can sustain success through coaching change and/or sanctions in a way that few programs can.
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yes, the state of WA has gone to shit. Too many PC ass hats running around looking for the next sign to pick up and be upset about. TITTT, I know, sorry.
your very best ever.
Ever or effort. Same diff. Thanks souwf!
oh, I guess effort makes more sense but I’m sticking with ever.
Don’t forget this fag being jealous of Coach James popularity, he set this whole thing in motion.
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Huh?I'm down here breading 6'9" kids and spending money on youth sports ball like a drunken sailor and you guys are talking to me about "voluntary low expectations"?
creepycoug
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Good point and articulates a perception I have whenever I get on the boards after a UW loss. You, Race, Knowledge, Snow and many others are pretty cold at assessing what is and isn't the case. Superfans who emote over these things - and there are a few in this thread - often go right to anointing the team as GOAT and it reeks of coping. That's the "it's right around the corner" crowd.
I have always found the Miami fanbase to be pretty stupid and for years myopically stuck in the past with a vocabulary of one word: swag. But even they seem to have gotten more realistic about who they really are in the last 5 to 10 years. Maybe I'm wrong but the 15th ass kicking at the hands of Clemson coupled with annual losses to Georgia Tech and/or UVa have done their work and at some point they seem to have become realistic. Gotta admit you have a problem before you can fix it.
UW has had some good things happen to it in the last decade - Petersen, Cornerback U and Penix and the 3-headed posse among them. More good things can still happen. To become Buck, though, requires a jump from where they are and what they have been since the early 90s. One year here and there they can be that but to become the annual monster Buck is requires a lot of shit to line up. Not sure I have the formula but I go back to what I think is an Iron Law: you need a little luck in the coaching hire.
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creepycoug
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"Your very best effort." IOW, good post, and it was. A sober take.
creepycoug
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Gerb was a good university Pres though. I interacted with him a time or two as an undergrad. Classic academis egghead.
He had some alumni pressure about the football team that didn't get a lot of press. Back in the late 80s and early 90s the football team was causing some problems on campus and in the U District. I can recite some examples, but suffice it to say there were some rough dudes playing for Washington. Quietly, Gerbs was hearing from some big boosters of the school to deal with what was becoming a bit of a side show.
Just trying to keep it a little real here lest this place become fagman.com.
He had some alumni pressure about the football team that didn't get a lot of press. Back in the late 80s and early 90s the football team was causing some problems on campus and in the U District. I can recite some examples, but suffice it to say there were some rough dudes playing for Washington. Quietly, Gerbs was hearing from some big boosters of the school to deal with what was becoming a bit of a side show.
Just trying to keep it a little real here lest this place become fagman.com.
Everyone come look how smart and intellectual this guy's is!
You're on a sports team forum buddy
And this team has its own stadium unlike Floridian UCLA
creepycoug
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Lol. I hurt your feelings. I'm sorry.
I'm not sure what was intellectual about that post but you might try not acting like a jealous 15-year old girl.
Most teams have their own stadiums. Hoping you're not hanging your wool hat on that particular distinction for your sake, but it was a good burn. You can wipe your tears now, super fan. I'll tell you just what you want to hear for the next few days, eh?
I'm not sure what was intellectual about that post but you might try not acting like a jealous 15-year old girl.
Most teams have their own stadiums. Hoping you're not hanging your wool hat on that particular distinction for your sake, but it was a good burn. You can wipe your tears now, super fan. I'll tell you just what you want to hear for the next few days, eh?
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I'm just a pessimist, low expectations loser I suppose. I think it's really HARD for a school, city, region, etc, to escape the gravitational pull of historical inertia. UW has never been a true blue blood, but rather a very solid Tier II program (i.e., top 20 all time) who can occasionally play with the best when we get lucky with the right coach and other circumstances.
I believe all of that. He's still Judas in that instead of reeling some of that in he instead took the football program out back and shot it.
Same as it ever was at Washington. Football success breeds academic resentment since we? ARE a tier 2 academus program.
Wisconsin isn’t anywhere near Washington’s league historically.