Do you think this just happens by accident?

[RaceBannon]

A conversation where everyone agrees is not much of a conversation
The board is more active than it has been in weeks. Nothing like a loss

 

[YellowSnow]

Fits and starts… the lack of consistency keeps killing UW. No reason UW can’t be a top tier legit contender every year. To get there, we need consistent quality leadership. That’s it.

James → Lambo → Neuheisel → Gilby → Ty → Sark → Pete → Jimmy → DeBoer → Fisch

Too inconsistent to be a consistent winner. Despite all of this, the program continues to make playoffs, win NYD bowls, NC game, etc. That’s why you can demand excellence.

There's something missing culturally in Seattle which is causes the inconsistency which isn't the case in Columbus. What is the cause of that and how do you change the culture?

 

[WoolleyDoog]

I think saying DJ @DerekJohnson was "poised" to go to 4 to 6 Rose Bowls in a row is assuming a lot. There's no doubt in my mind he wins more Rose Bowls and potentially another NT if he stayed 10 more years.
But at the same time conference opponents and the sport as a whole start to adapt and find ways to beat you. It's hard to go to 4 to 6 straight Rose Bowls. There was already a drop off with the 1992 team which still lost to Arizona, Coug and gave up 38 to Michigan in the Rose Bowl. Yeah they had some distractions, but they also had a back up QB who was a future 4 x NFL pro bowler.
What happens is Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, Penn State, USC and UW are all trying to be "Ohio State"?

It was a different time. Massive sustained success was less of a thing and it was more cyclical. Young players were less ready to go - their lives probably weren't 24/7 football from the age of 5 and didn't leave high school early to go to college.
The NCAA seemed to also like to go after programs that were pushing boundaries and having too much success. Didn't they kind of force out Tressell over some comped tattoos? It makes sense because there's a lot of Michigan folks in sports media but it seemed like ESPN had a vendetta against Ohio State when they came back in the 2000s.

 

[RaceBannon]

In the 90s you'd win a national championship and go on probation and be THANKFUL for it

 

[Canadawg]

Fits and starts… the lack of consistency keeps killing UW. No reason UW can’t be a top tier legit contender every year. To get there, we need consistent quality leadership. That’s it.

James → Lambo → Neuheisel → Gilby → Ty → Sark → Pete → Jimmy → DeBoer → Fisch

Too inconsistent to be a consistent winner. Despite all of this, the program continues to make playoffs, win NYD bowls, NC game, etc. That’s why you can demand excellence.

When you look at the hires post Ty UW seems to care considering Sark is a highly regarded coach now, Pete will be in the hof, Jimmy was fired as fast as possible, Deboer won big, and Fisch TBD but he wasnt a lazy or uninspired hire and they might fire him if he sucks

 

[YellowSnow]

In the 90s you'd win a national championship and go on probation and be THANKFUL for it

St. DeBoer really needed to win that game against Michigan. Fucking tragedy.

 

[YellowSnow]

Fits and starts… the lack of consistency keeps killing UW. No reason UW can’t be a top tier legit contender every year. To get there, we need consistent quality leadership. That’s it.

James → Lambo → Neuheisel → Gilby → Ty → Sark → Pete → Jimmy → DeBoer → Fisch

Too inconsistent to be a consistent winner. Despite all of this, the program continues to make playoffs, win NYD bowls, NC game, etc. That’s why you can demand excellence.

When you look at the hires post Ty UW seems to care considering Sark is a highly regarded coach now, Pete will be in the hof, Jimmy was fired as fast as possible, Deboer won big, and Fisch TBD but he wasnt a lazy or uninspired hire and they might fire him if he sucks

I will die on a hill against repeated @RaceBannon human wave attacks that keeping DeBoer from going to Bammer was a bridge too far.
But to your point, I think there evidence that UW cares enough about football to try and be a consistent top 10- 15 program. We built the new stadium, hired Pete from BSU, fired a POC head coach for losing to Montana, and killed the Pac 12.

 

[creepycoug]

The one thing that's great about modern CFB is that Washington can be anything it wants to be if it's willing to spend the money. We aren't located in BFE or a MAC program.
Just need to be willing to find and spend huge money. 18 year olds don't care about tradition in the face of having big money in their pockets. See Ducks, Oregon. Pile of shit school in a pile of shit location.

This, the resources can be there. They already almost are. Who's got the will to use them?

It's a matter of not wanting to be UC Berkeley in every fucking respect. I know there are academics at UW who would be proud of what a middling football program would signal regarding priorities.
But I have to think that the people who write checks, who are not usually academics, are the people who want competitive football.
There's a third crowd … the tech crowd. They write BIG checks but they write them for engineering buildings. If they were to ever write a check for sports, it would be to construct a Quiddich field and practice facility. Or, more seriously, for some Olympic sports facility. To my knowledge, tech isn't in love with college football.
I remember Ballmer was flirting around the program for 5 minutes. Don't know whatever became of that but he's a pro sports guy. People at that level typically only fund what they can control. He also didn't go to school at UW so there's that limitation to his interest.
Gates. Pffft. That guy is too busy burnishing his image in a rescue attempt of the damage his rep took after the Epstein-caused divorce. His fucking ex-wife literally sold him out on that in a public interview. And he has never cared about sports. He aint' comin any time soon.

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

The one thing that's great about modern CFB is that Washington can be anything it wants to be if it's willing to spend the money. We aren't located in BFE or a MAC program.
Just need to be willing to find and spend huge money. 18 year olds don't care about tradition in the face of having big money in their pockets. See Ducks, Oregon. Pile of shit school in a pile of shit location.

This, the resources can be there. They already almost are. Who's got the will to use them?

It's a matter of not wanting to be UC Berkeley in every fucking respect. I know there are academics at UW who would be proud of what a middling football program would signal regarding priorities.
But I have to think that the people who write checks, who are not usually academics, are the people who want competitive football.
There's a third crowd … the tech crowd. They write BIG checks but they write them for engineering buildings. If they were to ever write a check for sports, it would be to construct a Quiddich field and practice facility. Or, more seriously, for some Olympic sports facility. To my knowledge, tech isn't in love with college football.
I remember Ballmer was flirting around the program for 5 minutes. Don't know whatever became of that but he's a pro sports guy. People at that level typically only fund what they can control. He also didn't go to school at UW so there's that limitation to his interest.
Gates. Pffft. That guy is too busy burnishing his image in a rescue attempt of the damage his rep took after the Epstein-caused divorce. His fucking ex-wife literally sold him out on that in a public interview. And he has never cared about sports. He aint' comin any time soon.

I mean that's part of the heart of it. Upper campus would never let anyone else take control of sports but will also seldom give it anything but begrudging support.
I feel like there was a brief window where had we won a title some of that may have shifted. It's possible to be good at academucs and sports ball in this era.
Upper campus could learn that there's no such thing as bad publicity re winning titles.

 

[RaceBannon]

One thing I know
Oregon wins a national championship[ and Montlake gets stormed by the heathen crowds
It's like using a nuke though. Not sure it is worth the terrible cost of Oregon winning a natty

 

[WoolleyDoog]

Fits and starts… the lack of consistency keeps killing UW. No reason UW can’t be a top tier legit contender every year. To get there, we need consistent quality leadership. That’s it.

James → Lambo → Neuheisel → Gilby → Ty → Sark → Pete → Jimmy → DeBoer → Fisch

Too inconsistent to be a consistent winner. Despite all of this, the program continues to make playoffs, win NYD bowls, NC game, etc. That’s why you can demand excellence.

When you look at the hires post Ty UW seems to care considering Sark is a highly regarded coach now, Pete will be in the hof, Jimmy was fired as fast as possible, Deboer won big, and Fisch TBD but he wasnt a lazy or uninspired hire and they might fire him if he sucks

Four out of the last five coaches UW hired were simply the best options who would take the job. Unfortunately the one time we made the one mistake and took the easy hire was when we were best positioned for long-term success and probably in a position to find someone who was both good and interested in being in Seattle long-term since we knew for maybe two whole years Petersen was burning out.

 

[YellowSnow]

The one thing that's great about modern CFB is that Washington can be anything it wants to be if it's willing to spend the money. We aren't located in BFE or a MAC program.
Just need to be willing to find and spend huge money. 18 year olds don't care about tradition in the face of having big money in their pockets. See Ducks, Oregon. Pile of shit school in a pile of shit location.

This, the resources can be there. They already almost are. Who's got the will to use them?

It's a matter of not wanting to be UC Berkeley in every fucking respect. I know there are academics at UW who would be proud of what a middling football program would signal regarding priorities.
But I have to think that the people who write checks, who are not usually academics, are the people who want competitive football.
There's a third crowd … the tech crowd. They write BIG checks but they write them for engineering buildings. If they were to ever write a check for sports, it would be to construct a Quiddich field and practice facility. Or, more seriously, for some Olympic sports facility. To my knowledge, tech isn't in love with college football.
I remember Ballmer was flirting around the program for 5 minutes. Don't know whatever became of that but he's a pro sports guy. People at that level typically only fund what they can control. He also didn't go to school at UW so there's that limitation to his interest.
Gates. Pffft. That guy is too busy burnishing his image in a rescue attempt of the damage his rep took after the Epstein-caused divorce. His fucking ex-wife literally sold him out on that in a public interview. And he has never cared about sports. He aint' comin any time soon.

People forget Ohio State (#41) and UW (#42) are in a dead heat in Academis per the UW News National University Rankings.
Always got a chuckle out the Big Seattle Money caring about other things besides football. Multiple generations of Nordstom yoots rowed for UW and thus gave a boat loads of money to the program. Those guys should have played football!!

 

[whlinder]

The one thing that's great about modern CFB is that Washington can be anything it wants to be if it's willing to spend the money. We aren't located in BFE or a MAC program.
Just need to be willing to find and spend huge money. 18 year olds don't care about tradition in the face of having big money in their pockets. See Ducks, Oregon. Pile of shit school in a pile of shit location.

This, the resources can be there. They already almost are. Who's got the will to use them?

It's a matter of not wanting to be UC Berkeley in every fucking respect. I know there are academics at UW who would be proud of what a middling football program would signal regarding priorities.
But I have to think that the people who write checks, who are not usually academics, are the people who want competitive football.
There's a third crowd … the tech crowd. They write BIG checks but they write them for engineering buildings. If they were to ever write a check for sports, it would be to construct a Quiddich field and practice facility. Or, more seriously, for some Olympic sports facility. To my knowledge, tech isn't in love with college football.
I remember Ballmer was flirting around the program for 5 minutes. Don't know whatever became of that but he's a pro sports guy. People at that level typically only fund what they can control. He also didn't go to school at UW so there's that limitation to his interest.
Gates. Pffft. That guy is too busy burnishing his image in a rescue attempt of the damage his rep took after the Epstein-caused divorce. His fucking ex-wife literally sold him out on that in a public interview. And he has never cared about sports. He aint' comin any time soon.

Gates cares about Tennis. He's been around that sport at the highest levels (Federer) in exhibitions.
OH MY GOD THAT'S LARRY SCOTTFS MUSIC

 

[Canadawg]

Fits and starts… the lack of consistency keeps killing UW. No reason UW can’t be a top tier legit contender every year. To get there, we need consistent quality leadership. That’s it.

James → Lambo → Neuheisel → Gilby → Ty → Sark → Pete → Jimmy → DeBoer → Fisch

Too inconsistent to be a consistent winner. Despite all of this, the program continues to make playoffs, win NYD bowls, NC game, etc. That’s why you can demand excellence.

When you look at the hires post Ty UW seems to care considering Sark is a highly regarded coach now, Pete will be in the hof, Jimmy was fired as fast as possible, Deboer won big, and Fisch TBD but he wasnt a lazy or uninspired hire and they might fire him if he sucks

Four out of the last five coaches UW hired were simply the best options who would take the job. Unfortunately the one time we made the one mistake and took the easy hire was when we were best positioned for long-term success and probably in a position to find someone who was both good and interested in being in Seattle long-term since we knew for maybe two whole years Petersen was burning out.

There's not that many coaches that could have feasibly won a natty in the past decade and Washington has had 2 of them. Petersen got burned out sure but that gets brought up an unfair amount considering what he did for the program.

And I'm not sure what you mean by 4 of the 5 being the best that would come here. That's a good thing?

 

[WoolleyDoog]

Fits and starts… the lack of consistency keeps killing UW. No reason UW can’t be a top tier legit contender every year. To get there, we need consistent quality leadership. That’s it.

James → Lambo → Neuheisel → Gilby → Ty → Sark → Pete → Jimmy → DeBoer → Fisch

Too inconsistent to be a consistent winner. Despite all of this, the program continues to make playoffs, win NYD bowls, NC game, etc. That’s why you can demand excellence.

When you look at the hires post Ty UW seems to care considering Sark is a highly regarded coach now, Pete will be in the hof, Jimmy was fired as fast as possible, Deboer won big, and Fisch TBD but he wasnt a lazy or uninspired hire and they might fire him if he sucks

Four out of the last five coaches UW hired were simply the best options who would take the job. Unfortunately the one time we made the one mistake and took the easy hire was when we were best positioned for long-term success and probably in a position to find someone who was both good and interested in being in Seattle long-term since we knew for maybe two whole years Petersen was burning out.

There's not that many coaches that could have feasibly won a natty in the past decade and Washington has had 2 of them. Petersen got burned out sure but that gets brought up an unfair amount considering what he did for the program.

And I'm not sure what you mean by 4 of the 5 being the best that would come here. That's a good thing?

I don't think it's really a good or a bad thing. I just don't think the hires specifically show the school is mega invested in winning or anything. Sark, DeBoer, and Fisch were all guys any fan (me and Joey actually first called for DeBoer and Fisch on the pod I believe) could have just identified and hired.
Petersen was the only hire that would suggest that was a coup and he basically just called up the school out of the blue from what I remember.

 

[Canadawg]

Again that sounds like a good thing that there were obvious good choices and they got them. Where do you think those coaches the up if they don't go to UW? I'd think similar level of school

 

[DerekJohnson]

Fits and starts… the lack of consistency keeps killing UW. No reason UW can’t be a top tier legit contender every year. To get there, we need consistent quality leadership. That’s it.

James → Lambo → Neuheisel → Gilby → Ty → Sark → Pete → Jimmy → DeBoer → Fisch

Too inconsistent to be a consistent winner. Despite all of this, the program continues to make playoffs, win NYD bowls, NC game, etc. That’s why you can demand excellence.

When you look at the hires post Ty UW seems to care considering Sark is a highly regarded coach now, Pete will be in the hof, Jimmy was fired as fast as possible, Deboer won big, and Fisch TBD but he wasnt a lazy or uninspired hire and they might fire him if he sucks

Four out of the last five coaches UW hired were simply the best options who would take the job. Unfortunately the one time we made the one mistake and took the easy hire was when we were best positioned for long-term success and probably in a position to find someone who was both good and interested in being in Seattle long-term since we knew for maybe two whole years Petersen was burning out.

I don't think it was a common perception for two years that Pete was burning out. When I speculated that he was burning out in 2018 I was met with numerous hostile or irritated posts/PMs.

 

[DerekJohnson]

@WoolleyDoog
It seems incredible to me that you only have 5,420 posts.

 

[Canadawg]

@WoolleyDoog
It seems incredible to me that you only have 5,420 posts.

Especially with all the typing in the pod background

 

[WoolleyDoog]

Fits and starts… the lack of consistency keeps killing UW. No reason UW can’t be a top tier legit contender every year. To get there, we need consistent quality leadership. That’s it.

James → Lambo → Neuheisel → Gilby → Ty → Sark → Pete → Jimmy → DeBoer → Fisch

Too inconsistent to be a consistent winner. Despite all of this, the program continues to make playoffs, win NYD bowls, NC game, etc. That’s why you can demand excellence.

When you look at the hires post Ty UW seems to care considering Sark is a highly regarded coach now, Pete will be in the hof, Jimmy was fired as fast as possible, Deboer won big, and Fisch TBD but he wasnt a lazy or uninspired hire and they might fire him if he sucks

Four out of the last five coaches UW hired were simply the best options who would take the job. Unfortunately the one time we made the one mistake and took the easy hire was when we were best positioned for long-term success and probably in a position to find someone who was both good and interested in being in Seattle long-term since we knew for maybe two whole years Petersen was burning out.

I don't think it was a common perception for two years that Pete was burning out. When I speculated that he was burning out in 2018 I was met with numerous hostile or irritated posts/PMs.

I don't think with fans but I assume internally it had to be known or felt at least almost a year ahead. Didn't Jen have to beg him not to retire at the end of 2018?