Yesterday was proof the BCS was a fraud

[TierbsHsotBoobs]

Lotta butt-hurt here about the SEC west being exposed once they weren't magically gifted into the final game. They didn't win shit the years before the BCS and (shockingly) they aren't winning shit now it's gone.

That seems to be the go to post when facts get in the way of feelings about the SEC

The SEC as we know it came about in 92. The BCS in 96. Saying the SEC didn't win before the BCS is not correct to begin with and disingenuous since the SEC expanding and having a championship game is what got them TV money galore first and made them the force they are.

Bama has always won titles including one in 92 under Stallings.

The PAC 12 has chosen to be the Conference of Champions in sports no one gives a shit about on a back water network you can't get. Deal with it

The PAC 12 should be far and away the best football conference but they aren't. Because the SEC is smarter and the PAC 12 is a bunch of Emmerts and Turners other than Oregon who shows what trying can do

The country thinks only USC can win a natty out here because so far that's true. Oregon may join Washington in getting one but perception won't change over night

The BCS actually started in 1998 but still.

 

[creepycoug]

Saying the ACC is a Power 5 conference is like saying the CFL is a Power 2 professional league.

Take the champs of the Pac 12, B1G, SEC!!!, and Big 12, and 4 at large teams.

uh, the ACC Coastal winner just took SEC West #2 out to the woodshed.

What am I missing here?

 

[IrishDuck22]

ESPN would take #MyDucks over those SEC teams any day of the week, including Gameday.

 

[TierbsHsotBoobs]

Saying the ACC is a Power 5 conference is like saying the CFL is a Power 2 professional league.

Take the champs of the Pac 12, B1G, SEC!!!, and Big 12, and 4 at large teams.

uh, the ACC Coastal winner just took SEC West #2 out to the woodshed.

What am I missing here?

South Carolina and Miami tied a bowl game. When did this happen?

 

[RaceBannon]

You don't think ESPN is happier than you with a playoff? 15 rating for both games. Ohio and the West Coast for the final. Collin made a good point - no network wants the south as its base of viewership. Ohio State Michigan was one of the highest rated games of the year.

ESPN wants eyeballs. The whole ESPN SEC thing is fucking stupid.

Larry Scott chose a third rate partner and isn't on major providers. That isn't the SEC's fault.

I'm not sure about that. For every other sport, that is true, but the South rules college football. That is where most the fans are, hence where the money is. The East Coast doesn't give a shit about college sports, especially football. The same is mostly true for the West Coast.

The pro sports teams are East Coast and LA centric and that's where the focus is. College Football is different.

I think Ohio State Michigan had higher ratings than the Iron Bowl. SEC football is a good brand but more so due to CBS than ESPN

Football is more popular down south but you need the coasts for ratings

 

[HoustonHusky]

NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
Year Team Record Game Coach

1980 Georgia 12-0-0 Sugar: Beat Notre Dame 17-10 Vince Dooley
1981 Clemson 12-0-0 Orange: Beat Nebraska 22-15 Danny Ford
1982 Penn State 11-1-0 Sugar: Beat Georgia 27-23 Joe Paterno
1983 Miami, Fla. 11-1-0 Orange: Beat Nebraska 31-30 Howard Schnellenberger
1984 Brigham Young 13-0-0 Holiday: Beat Michigan 24-17 LaVell Edwards
1985. Oklahoma. 11-1-0. Orange: Beat Penn State 25-10 Barry Switzer
1986 Penn State 12-0-0 Fiesta: Beat Miami 14-10 Joe Paterno
1987 Miami, Fla. 12-0-0 Orange: Beat Oklahoma 20-14 Jimmy Johnson
1988. Notre Dame. 12-0-0. Fiesta: Beat West Virginia 34-21 Lou Holtz
1989 Miami, Fla. 11-1-0 Sugar: Beat Alabama 33-25 Dennis Erickson
1990 Colorado (AP)/Georgia Tech (UPI) 11-1-1/11-0-1 Orange: Beat Notre Dame 10-9
Citrus: Beat Nebraska 45-21 Bill McCartney/Bobby Ross
1991 Miami, Fla. (AP)/Washington (Coaches) 12-0-0/12-0-0 Orange: Beat Nebraska 22-0
Rose: Beat Michigan 34-14. Dennis Erickson/Don James
1992 Alabama 13-0-0 Sugar: Beat Miami 34-13 Gene Stallings
1993 Florida State 12-1-0 Orange: Beat Nebraska 18-16 Bobby Bowden
1994. Nebraska. 13-0-0. Orange: Beat Miami, Fla. 24-17 Tom Osborne
1995 Nebraska 12-0-0 Fiesta: Beat Florida 62-24 Tom Osborne
1996 Florida 12-1 Sugar: Beat Florida St. 52-20 Steve Spurrier
1997 Michigan (AP)/Nebraska (Coaches) 12-0/13-0 Rose: Beat Wash. St. 21-16 Orange: Beat Tennessee 42-17 Lloyd Carr/Tom Osborne
1998 Tennessee 13-0 Fiesta: Beat Florida St. 23-16 Phillip Fulmer
1999 Florida State 12-0 Sugar: Beat Va. Tech 46-29 Bobby Bowden
2000 Oklahoma 13-0 Orange: Beat Florida St. 13-2 Bob Stoops
2001 Miami, Fla. 12-0 Rose: Beat Nebraska 37-14 Larry Coker
2002 Ohio State 14-0 Fiesta: Beat Miami, Fla. 31-24 (2 ot) Jim Tressel
2003 LSU (National Champs)/USC (#1 in AP Poll) 13-1/12-1 Sugar: Beat Oklahoma 21-14/Rose: Beat Michigan 28-14 Nick Saban/Pete Carroll
#-2004 USC 13-0 Orange: Beat Oklahoma 55-19 Pete Carroll
#-2005 Texas 13-0 Rose: Beat USC 41-38 Mack Brown
2006 Florida 13-1 BCS Championship Game: Beat Ohio State 41-14 Urban Meyer
2007 LSU 12-2 BCS Championship Game: Beat Ohio State 38-24 Les Miles
2008 Florida 13-1 BCS Championship Game: Beat Oklahoma 24-14 Urban Meyer
2009 Alabama 14-0 BCS Championship Game: Beat Texas 37-21 Nick Saban
2010 Auburn 14-0 BCS Championship Game: Beat Oregon 22-19 Gene Chizik
2011 Alabama 12-1 BCS Championship Game: Beat LSU 21-0 Nick Saban
2012 Alabama 13-1 BCS Championship Game: Beat Notre Dame 42-14 Nick Saban
2013 Florida State 14-0 BCS Championship Game: Beat Auburn 34-31 Jimbo Fisher

Shocking how the SEC didn't win shit until the magical BCS game showed up...

 

[RaceBannon]

Football was invented in 1980? I thought it was 1994?

And Georgia, Bama, and Florida are in the SEC

 

[TierbsHsotBoobs]

NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
Year Team Record Game Coach

1980 Georgia 12-0-0 Sugar: Beat Notre Dame 17-10 Vince Dooley
1981 Clemson 12-0-0 Orange: Beat Nebraska 22-15 Danny Ford
1982 Penn State 11-1-0 Sugar: Beat Georgia 27-23 Joe Paterno
1983 Miami, Fla. 11-1-0 Orange: Beat Nebraska 31-30 Howard Schnellenberger
1984 Brigham Young 13-0-0 Holiday: Beat Michigan 24-17 LaVell Edwards
1985. Oklahoma. 11-1-0. Orange: Beat Penn State 25-10 Barry Switzer
1986 Penn State 12-0-0 Fiesta: Beat Miami 14-10 Joe Paterno
1987 Miami, Fla. 12-0-0 Orange: Beat Oklahoma 20-14 Jimmy Johnson
1988. Notre Dame. 12-0-0. Fiesta: Beat West Virginia 34-21 Lou Holtz
1989 Miami, Fla. 11-1-0 Sugar: Beat Alabama 33-25 Dennis Erickson
1990 Colorado (AP)/Georgia Tech (UPI) 11-1-1/11-0-1 Orange: Beat Notre Dame 10-9
Citrus: Beat Nebraska 45-21 Bill McCartney/Bobby Ross
1991 Miami, Fla. (AP)/Washington (Coaches) 12-0-0/12-0-0 Orange: Beat Nebraska 22-0
Rose: Beat Michigan 34-14. Dennis Erickson/Don James
1992 Alabama 13-0-0 Sugar: Beat Miami 34-13 Gene Stallings
1993 Florida State 12-1-0 Orange: Beat Nebraska 18-16 Bobby Bowden
1994. Nebraska. 13-0-0. Orange: Beat Miami, Fla. 24-17 Tom Osborne
1995 Nebraska 12-0-0 Fiesta: Beat Florida 62-24 Tom Osborne
1996 Florida 12-1 Sugar: Beat Florida St. 52-20 Steve Spurrier
1997 Michigan (AP)/Nebraska (Coaches) 12-0/13-0 Rose: Beat Wash. St. 21-16 Orange: Beat Tennessee 42-17 Lloyd Carr/Tom Osborne
1998 Tennessee 13-0 Fiesta: Beat Florida St. 23-16 Phillip Fulmer
1999 Florida State 12-0 Sugar: Beat Va. Tech 46-29 Bobby Bowden
2000 Oklahoma 13-0 Orange: Beat Florida St. 13-2 Bob Stoops
2001 Miami, Fla. 12-0 Rose: Beat Nebraska 37-14 Larry Coker
2002 Ohio State 14-0 Fiesta: Beat Miami, Fla. 31-24 (2 ot) Jim Tressel
2003 LSU (National Champs)/USC (#1 in AP Poll) 13-1/12-1 Sugar: Beat Oklahoma 21-14/Rose: Beat Michigan 28-14 Nick Saban/Pete Carroll
#-2004 USC 13-0 Orange: Beat Oklahoma 55-19 Pete Carroll
#-2005 Texas 13-0 Rose: Beat USC 41-38 Mack Brown
2006 Florida 13-1 BCS Championship Game: Beat Ohio State 41-14 Urban Meyer
2007 LSU 12-2 BCS Championship Game: Beat Ohio State 38-24 Les Miles
2008 Florida 13-1 BCS Championship Game: Beat Oklahoma 24-14 Urban Meyer
2009 Alabama 14-0 BCS Championship Game: Beat Texas 37-21 Nick Saban
2010 Auburn 14-0 BCS Championship Game: Beat Oregon 22-19 Gene Chizik
2011 Alabama 12-1 BCS Championship Game: Beat LSU 21-0 Nick Saban
2012 Alabama 13-1 BCS Championship Game: Beat Notre Dame 42-14 Nick Saban
2013 Florida State 14-0 BCS Championship Game: Beat Auburn 34-31 Jimbo Fisher

Shocking how the SEC didn't win shit until the magical BCS game showed up...

I like to say the SEC didn't win shit when the SEC won three national titles between 1980 and 1997, more than the ACC (2.5), the Pac-10 (0.5), and the Big Ten (0.5), and just behind the Big 8/12 (3.5).

The BCS did manage to kill off the independents and the Big East though.

The SEC was the second best of today's Power 5 conferences for 18 years before the BCS, but the SEC sucked before the BCS.

 

[IrishDuck22]

You guys need to stop living in the past.

 

[HoustonHusky]

Pick your date...doesn't impact the statistics. They won at least a share 5 out of 26 years leading up to the BCS "championship" games, and then magically win 7 out of 8 when it shows up. Magic.

Oh yeah...and they are 0-1 since.

 

[TierbsHsotBoobs]

Pick your date...doesn't impact the statistics. They won at least a share 5 out of 26 years leading up to the BCS "championship" games, and then magically win 7 out of 8 when it shows up. Magic.

Oh yeah...and they are 0-1 since.

It looks to me like the BCS somehow made Miami and Nebraska implode, even though they played in a BCS title game (Hi Mike!).

 

[RaceBannon]

Pick your date...doesn't impact the statistics. They won at least a share 5 out of 26 years leading up to the BCS "championship" games, and then magically win 7 out of 8 when it shows up. Magic.

Oh yeah...and they are 0-1 since.

Not magic. I already explained it. The conference title game and cash bought the best coaches and players and exposure. That's why every league copied them.

 

[HoustonHusky]

Magic. The SEC title game started in 1991.

 

[dnc]

Pick your date...doesn't impact the statistics. They won at least a share 5 out of 26 years leading up to the BCS "championship" games, and then magically win 7 out of 8 when it shows up. Magic.

Oh yeah...and they are 0-1 since.

Okay let's take the BCS era titles case by case:

1998 Tennessee - champ in any format
2003 LSU - this one's a maybe, probably a split with USC in some fashion
2006 Florida - probably finishes second, assuming Ohio State could have won the Rose Bowel they probably win it and Florida comes in 2nd. IOW, the BCS found a real champion that the former system would not have found.
2007 LSU - who really knows this year. It wouldn't have been LSU, but who would have own it, OSU? They clearly didn't deserve it.
2008 Florida - Team Tebow's the champion that year no matter what, they were #1 going into the OU game.
2009 Alabama - Unbeaten, untied, undisputed
2010 Auburn - Ditto
2011 Alabama - Alabama almost certainly doesn't win the championship, LSU almost certainly does
2012 Alabama - Depends on who ND would have faced in their bowel game. Easily could have been Alabama, in which case, same result. But if ND faced a weak opponent they probably get the title, in which case this is another win for the BCS finding a better champion.

In a pre BCS system you could maybe argue the SEC drops from 9 titles to 5 in that span, though a more honest approach would say 5 outright plus probably another three split titles. So yes, the BCS helped the SEC a bit. But I can't see any case expect maybe 2007 where the BCS found a worse champion than no BCS would have.

The BCS probably helped the SEC a bit. The SEC helped themselves a hell of a lot more.

If APAG were still alive he'd remind us that correlation does not equal causation.

 

[RaceBannon]

Magic. The SEC title game started in 1991.

And they won titles in 92 and 96

Must be magic

 

[puppylove_sugarsteel]

Why dont you just plagiarism puppy's shit word for word ? The bcs got it right in the first 5-6 years then completely went off the rails with Nebraska, oklahoma and the SEC. Complete popularity contest with no merit.

If the playoff doesnt go to 6-8 tesms it will be no different. 5 conference champs 4 slots (plus ND) Its already heavily flawed and got it wrong with the SEC already. At what point did Alabama prove its lofty#1 seed?

 

[puppylove_sugarsteel]

Lotta butt-hurt here about the SEC west being exposed once they weren't magically gifted into the final game. They didn't win shit the years before the BCS and (shockingly) they aren't winning shit now it's gone.

Whole lot of overreaction to one 42-35 game. It's not like Bama played like defending champion FSU did yesterday.

2-4

Yep, the SEC West sucks this year just like everyone else.

Who's everyone else boobie? Why dont you watch a few games and at least be educated when you flap out these sweeping generalities.

 

[Doogles]

@dnc‌ I'm going to have to disagree about Tebow's team in 2008. They had a loss earlier in the year just like SC, but that SC team was unreal by the end of the season and would have destroyed anyone. Anytime your starting linebackers are seniors Bryan Cushing, Ray Maulaga, and Clay Matthews, you're fucking serious. I guess if you're saying how it would be voted in the old format it's hard to say. But on the field it would have been a bloodbath. Poor Paterno's return to the Rose Bowl.

 

[RoadDawg55]

@dnc‌ I'm going to have to disagree about Tebow's team in 2008. They had a loss earlier in the year just like SC, but that SC team was unreal by the end of the season and would have destroyed anyone. Anytime your starting linebackers are seniors Bryan Cushing, Ray Maulaga, and Clay Matthews, you're fucking serious. I guess if you're saying how it would be voted in the old format it's hard to say. But on the field it would have been a bloodbath. Poor Paterno's return to the Rose Bowl.

Agree. I have no idea how Oregon State beat USC that year. That was a dominant USC team with the best defense Carroll had during his run.

 

[dnc]

@dnc‌ I'm going to have to disagree about Tebow's team in 2008. They had a loss earlier in the year just like SC, but that SC team was unreal by the end of the season and would have destroyed anyone. Anytime your starting linebackers are seniors Bryan Cushing, Ray Maulaga, and Clay Matthews, you're fucking serious. I guess if you're saying how it would be voted in the old format it's hard to say. But on the field it would have been a bloodbath. Poor Paterno's return to the Rose Bowl.

Florida was #1 in all the poles going into the championship, Oklahoma was #2. Not sure who was #3.

If we're talking PLAYOFFS I agree SC might have had a chance, but I was looking at it from a pre BCS lens. And pre BCS, Florida wins that title rather easily.