Years of work on the trail paying off for Cristobal and Oregon

[creepycoug]

Yeah Meat gets credit for understanding that talent and some questionable coaching beats whatever the fuck it was thatPete trotted out on offense for 6 years.

You can't escape it: I was right and everybody else was wrong about Crisco. Period. You can't argue that you're not getting fucked in the ass when a 285 guy is mounted on laying down the salami.

Facts is facts.

Don't remember what your original argument was. Is he a good recruiter? Yes. Great recruiter? Perhaps. Great coach? We'll see in the next couple of seasons.

I still look at the last 3 seasons of Pac 12 football and they are pretty similar. Flawed coaching staffs, flawed teams. Couple of regular season losses that prove it. SC and Washington drew tOSU, Oregon drew Wisconsin.

All 3 teams have what's predicted to be an elite unit on one side of the ball. Other side could be mediocre. So we'll see.

Basically that he was a good hire in the face of laughter from the Doog crowd.

My basic premise was: (1) that he is an elite recruiter, which was true and obvious at the time only people in the West were stupid and uniformed about it because his body of work took place mostly in the east; and (2) that it was LIPO on coaching because it's almost always LIPO on coaching, as your? experiment with Pete proved out very clearly. Pete was great at Boise and logically should have been better at UW and basically wasn't.

He may not be a brilliant Xs and Os guy, but I wonder who is. It ain't Saban. He's pretty basic. Crisco has made at least one great coaching move on the defensive side, and this season will tell whether he made another on the offensive side.

Given what he inherited and what he's turned in in two seasons of coaching, it's hard to conclude anything but that he was a fantastic hire. If his trend even modestly continues, he's a home run.

All the Dooging rationalizations and sour grapes, an area in which I have a PhD, notwithstanding don't change the facts. And since Washington is supposedly an overall vastly superior program that has so much more going for it organically, the fact that Crisco was able to do what he's done at inferior little brother to the south is all the more impressive.

Pete was at the Zenith of his program's run and was beaten by a guy who just took over a shit show. That is a permanent, etched in stone, fact of history.

 

[haie]

Yeah Meat gets credit for understanding that talent and some questionable coaching beats whatever the fuck it was thatPete trotted out on offense for 6 years.

You can't escape it: I was right and everybody else was wrong about Crisco. Period. You can't argue that you're not getting fucked in the ass when a 285 guy is mounted on laying down the salami.

Facts is facts.

Don't remember what your original argument was. Is he a good recruiter? Yes. Great recruiter? Perhaps. Great coach? We'll see in the next couple of seasons.

I still look at the last 3 seasons of Pac 12 football and they are pretty similar. Flawed coaching staffs, flawed teams. Couple of regular season losses that prove it. SC and Washington drew tOSU, Oregon drew Wisconsin.

All 3 teams have what's predicted to be an elite unit on one side of the ball. Other side could be mediocre. So we'll see.

Basically that he was a good hire in the face of laughter from the Doog crowd.

My basic premise was: (1) that he is an elite recruiter, which was true and obvious at the time only people in the West were stupid and uniformed about it because his body of work took place mostly in the east; and (2) that it was LIPO on coaching because it's almost always LIPO on coaching, as your? experiment with Pete proved out very clearly. Pete was great at Boise and logically should have been better at UW and basically wasn't.

He may not be a brilliant Xs and Os guy, but I wonder who is. It ain't Saban. He's pretty basic. Crisco has made at least one great coaching move on the defensive side, and this season will tell whether he made another on the offensive side.

Given what he inherited and what he's turned in in two seasons of coaching, it's hard to conclude anything but that he was a fantastic hire. If his trend even modestly continues, he's a home run.

All the Dooging rationalizations and sour grapes, an area in which I have a PhD, notwithstanding don't change the facts. And since Washington is supposedly an overall vastly superior program that has so much more going for it organically, the fact that Crisco was able to do what he's done at inferior little brother to the south is all the more impressive.

Pete was at the Zenith of his program's run and was beaten by a guy who just took over a shit show. That is a permanent, etched in stone, fact of history.

You're kind of acting like he's done more than take some of his predecessor's recruits, some of his own, and won a conference against Utah and a rose against Badger. He failed in 2018, bigly. Oregon isn't Oregon State, that collapse was pretty bad. UW at least had it tough in that their rival was a top 4 program in conference most of those years, Stanford hadn't completely dropped off yet, and then they had a real opponent after their ccg.

Regarding Washington vs Oregon, I think that the only thing that matters right now is that recruits think they'll party and win games at Oregon, while they think they will be putting most of their free time into practice and the classroom. Meat gets credit for understanding the situation. They don't need a high profile coach to get studs as a result. The university sells fun, UW sells tradition and sneaking a flask around blue hairs with their fucking headphones.

We can agree though that Pete massively shit himself the last 2 years, only had half his seasons be successful with still no ny6 bowls, and failed Washington 1000x more than Washington ever failed him. UW grads with 5 kids living in Seattle having nothing but the Rick years paid out the ass to watch his shit offense.

 

[creepycoug]

Yeah Meat gets credit for understanding that talent and some questionable coaching beats whatever the fuck it was thatPete trotted out on offense for 6 years.

You can't escape it: I was right and everybody else was wrong about Crisco. Period. You can't argue that you're not getting fucked in the ass when a 285 guy is mounted on laying down the salami.

Facts is facts.

Don't remember what your original argument was. Is he a good recruiter? Yes. Great recruiter? Perhaps. Great coach? We'll see in the next couple of seasons.

I still look at the last 3 seasons of Pac 12 football and they are pretty similar. Flawed coaching staffs, flawed teams. Couple of regular season losses that prove it. SC and Washington drew tOSU, Oregon drew Wisconsin.

All 3 teams have what's predicted to be an elite unit on one side of the ball. Other side could be mediocre. So we'll see.

Basically that he was a good hire in the face of laughter from the Doog crowd.

My basic premise was: (1) that he is an elite recruiter, which was true and obvious at the time only people in the West were stupid and uniformed about it because his body of work took place mostly in the east; and (2) that it was LIPO on coaching because it's almost always LIPO on coaching, as your? experiment with Pete proved out very clearly. Pete was great at Boise and logically should have been better at UW and basically wasn't.

He may not be a brilliant Xs and Os guy, but I wonder who is. It ain't Saban. He's pretty basic. Crisco has made at least one great coaching move on the defensive side, and this season will tell whether he made another on the offensive side.

Given what he inherited and what he's turned in in two seasons of coaching, it's hard to conclude anything but that he was a fantastic hire. If his trend even modestly continues, he's a home run.

All the Dooging rationalizations and sour grapes, an area in which I have a PhD, notwithstanding don't change the facts. And since Washington is supposedly an overall vastly superior program that has so much more going for it organically, the fact that Crisco was able to do what he's done at inferior little brother to the south is all the more impressive.

Pete was at the Zenith of his program's run and was beaten by a guy who just took over a shit show. That is a permanent, etched in stone, fact of history.

You're kind of acting like he's done more than take some of his predecessor's recruits, some of his own, and won a conference against Utah and a rose against Badger. He failed in 2018, bigly. Oregon isn't Oregon State, that collapse was pretty bad. UW at least had it tough in that their rival was a top 4 program in conference most of those years, Stanford hadn't completely dropped off yet, and then they had a real opponent after their ccg.

Regarding Washington vs Oregon, I think that the only thing that matters right now is that recruits think they'll party and win games at Oregon, while they think they will be putting most of their free time into practice and the classroom. Meat gets credit for understanding the situation. They don't need a high profile coach to get studs as a result. The university sells fun, UW sells tradition and sneaking a flask around blue hairs with their fucking headphones.

We can agree though that Pete massively shit himself the last 2 years, only had half his seasons be successful with still no ny6 bowls, and failed Washington 1000x more than Washington ever failed him. UW grads with 5 kids living in Seattle having nothing but the Rick years paid out the ass to watch his shit offense.

He's recruited extremely well - as he has at every stop in his career - and turned the program around from the train wreck he encountered. It's a really simple point. Don't work so hard to make it look bad.

Winners win; losers split hairs about who they played and argue about how much less shitty their shitty conference was when they won it. The differences you're hanging your hat on are marginal.

I'm not saying Cristobal is going to be the next Nick Saban. But literally every Husky on this board laffed about the hire and would not even accept that he was a great recruiter - something seemingly everyone else in the country knew and knows. Beyond recruiting, he's changed the culture there, which Sling had really fucked up, and which Willie made worse. He also managed the Levitt situation brilliantly and immediately made them competitive in his first year at the helm.

Not sure he's selling fun. He's selling his program and he's selling it well. You forget Oregon was doing a lot of winning while Washington was doing a lot of losing during the lifetimes of today's recruits. It's not like it's "come on up here and do whatever in the fuck you want to do." They are a much more disciplined program than they were under Willie or Sling.

He could blow up next year and all this would be a waste of words. But there's no argument that he's done quite well his first two years, and getting a Rose Bowl kind of cements that point.

 

[creepycoug]

Also, this idea that Washington recruits have to deal with a tougher academic situation is silly and I expect you know that to be the case. I don't think anybody choosing between the two programs is saying, "well, I'll have to study harder at Washington." Both programs are recruiting the same kinds of kids. None of them are hanging out in the comp. sci building at UW. Both programs have a mix of students: a small number realize they're not that good and focus more on school and do what they can in the program; a very few are there to do both very well; and most of them are there to play football and school is an afterthought. Good on UW for graduating more people than the rest of the conference the last few years. We both know there are a lot of bullshit majors in that stat., but whatever.

Let's not make it like the UW kids are going through the military academy or something. They're being escorted through school like at almost every other competitive (and non-competitive) D1 program.

Btw, when I was at UW, Oregon State led the conference in graduation rate almost every season. UW was always in the bottom hafl. We? were good in those days and nobody talked about school.

 

[haie]

Like I said if you look at the last 3 years of the Pac 12, it's ridiculous to claim any of those teams and coaches were great. They all shit the bed, had an easy conference championship game, and the difference was who they played in their bowl. It's certainly not a "marginal difference" saying that playing Ohio State who owns the entire conference isn't much different than that knuckle dragging Wisconsin team that put the ball on the ground for you. You play who you play so I don't have a problem with their rose bowl champ stuff, but it's a little early to crown his ass anything as anything more than 2016 Pete.

I'm not really talking about graduation rates. I'm talking about the fact that Oregon isn't telling kids "this is going to be so hard, you're going to get pushed to your limit, and we don't want anyone that isn't willing to do that". They're selling fun and correctly making college football on the west coast attractive to both recruits and fans. I've never seen UW do that in the last 6 years except how awesome their grades will be and how well they develop for the league. The rest of it isn't hard to shirk off if you're a sought after recruit. Sure athletes still have an easier time than most at UW. But they don't find that out until they get there.

Moreover what I see from the marketing department regarding how great Seattle is, Amazon and Microsoft, etc, isn't something I think kids care that much about. Their parents probably don't either.

But yes, UW is *fucking* superior to Oregon, and always will be. There are some people that would excel at all 4 schools, but who gives a shit.

 

[SFGbob]

Like I said if you look at the last 3 years of the Pac 12, it's ridiculous to claim any of those teams and coaches were great. They all shit the bed, had an easy conference championship game, and the difference was who they played in their bowl. It's certainly not a "marginal difference" saying that playing Ohio State who owns the entire conference isn't much different than that knuckle dragging Wisconsin team that put the ball on the ground for you. You play who you play so I don't have a problem with their rose bowl champ stuff, but it's a little early to crown his ass anything as anything more than 2016 Pete.

I'm not really talking about graduation rates. I'm talking about the fact that Oregon isn't telling kids "this is going to be so hard, you're going to get pushed to your limit, and we don't want anyone that isn't willing to do that". They're selling fun and correctly making college football on the west coast attractive to both recruits and fans. I've never seen UW do that in the last 6 years except how awesome their grades will be and how well they develop for the league. The rest of it isn't hard to shirk off if you're a sought after recruit. Sure athletes still have an easier time than most at UW. But they don't find that out until they get there.

Moreover what I see from the marketing department regarding how great Seattle is, Amazon and Microsoft, etc, isn't something I think kids care that much about. Their parents probably don't either.

But yes, UW is *fucking* superior to Oregon, and always will be. There are some people that would excel at all 4 schools, but who gives a shit.

And yet despite your "superiority" the football product that you've put on the field for the last 25 years has only rarely been superior to the product Oregon has put on the field.

But hey, at least you have the comfort in knowing that UW isn't selling fun to their recruits or fans. Got to find those little "victories" wherever you can I guess.

 

[haie]

Like I said if you look at the last 3 years of the Pac 12, it's ridiculous to claim any of those teams and coaches were great. They all shit the bed, had an easy conference championship game, and the difference was who they played in their bowl. It's certainly not a "marginal difference" saying that playing Ohio State who owns the entire conference isn't much different than that knuckle dragging Wisconsin team that put the ball on the ground for you. You play who you play so I don't have a problem with their rose bowl champ stuff, but it's a little early to crown his ass anything as anything more than 2016 Pete.

I'm not really talking about graduation rates. I'm talking about the fact that Oregon isn't telling kids "this is going to be so hard, you're going to get pushed to your limit, and we don't want anyone that isn't willing to do that". They're selling fun and correctly making college football on the west coast attractive to both recruits and fans. I've never seen UW do that in the last 6 years except how awesome their grades will be and how well they develop for the league. The rest of it isn't hard to shirk off if you're a sought after recruit. Sure athletes still have an easier time than most at UW. But they don't find that out until they get there.

Moreover what I see from the marketing department regarding how great Seattle is, Amazon and Microsoft, etc, isn't something I think kids care that much about. Their parents probably don't either.

But yes, UW is *fucking* superior to Oregon, and always will be. There are some people that would excel at all 4 schools, but who gives a shit.

And yet despite your "superiority" the football product that you've put on the field for the last 25 years has only rarely been superior to the product Oregon has put on the field.

But hey, at least you have the comfort in knowing that UW isn't selling fun to their recruits or fans. Got to find those little "victories" wherever you can I guess.

I'm saying it like it's a complete failure on the coaching and AD, because it is.

If you think that UW and Oregon are somehow equal and don't have different challenges to deal with, as in UW is in Seattle and wants to be just like Cal/Stanford/UCLA and a lot of people there don't give a fuck about sports at all, you're a moron. You should appreciate that until the inevitable Phil death and the druids take over the campus.

 

[SFGbob]

Like I said if you look at the last 3 years of the Pac 12, it's ridiculous to claim any of those teams and coaches were great. They all shit the bed, had an easy conference championship game, and the difference was who they played in their bowl. It's certainly not a "marginal difference" saying that playing Ohio State who owns the entire conference isn't much different than that knuckle dragging Wisconsin team that put the ball on the ground for you. You play who you play so I don't have a problem with their rose bowl champ stuff, but it's a little early to crown his ass anything as anything more than 2016 Pete.

I'm not really talking about graduation rates. I'm talking about the fact that Oregon isn't telling kids "this is going to be so hard, you're going to get pushed to your limit, and we don't want anyone that isn't willing to do that". They're selling fun and correctly making college football on the west coast attractive to both recruits and fans. I've never seen UW do that in the last 6 years except how awesome their grades will be and how well they develop for the league. The rest of it isn't hard to shirk off if you're a sought after recruit. Sure athletes still have an easier time than most at UW. But they don't find that out until they get there.

Moreover what I see from the marketing department regarding how great Seattle is, Amazon and Microsoft, etc, isn't something I think kids care that much about. Their parents probably don't either.

But yes, UW is *fucking* superior to Oregon, and always will be. There are some people that would excel at all 4 schools, but who gives a shit.

And yet despite your "superiority" the football product that you've put on the field for the last 25 years has only rarely been superior to the product Oregon has put on the field.

But hey, at least you have the comfort in knowing that UW isn't selling fun to their recruits or fans. Got to find those little "victories" wherever you can I guess.

I'm saying it like it's a complete failure on the coaching and AD, because it is.

If you think that UW and Oregon are somehow equal and don't have different challenges to deal with, as in UW is in Seattle and wants to be just like Cal/Stanford/UCLA and a lot of people there don't give a fuck about sports at all, you're a moron. You should appreciate that until the inevitable Phil death and the druids take over the campus.

In terms of football? No fucking way are they equal. We left you guys behind in about 2000 and we've rarely looked back since. Yeah, I'm sure when the Billionaire Phil Knight dies he will do nothing to make sure Oregon's dominance doesn't continue.

 

[haie]

Like I said if you look at the last 3 years of the Pac 12, it's ridiculous to claim any of those teams and coaches were great. They all shit the bed, had an easy conference championship game, and the difference was who they played in their bowl. It's certainly not a "marginal difference" saying that playing Ohio State who owns the entire conference isn't much different than that knuckle dragging Wisconsin team that put the ball on the ground for you. You play who you play so I don't have a problem with their rose bowl champ stuff, but it's a little early to crown his ass anything as anything more than 2016 Pete.

I'm not really talking about graduation rates. I'm talking about the fact that Oregon isn't telling kids "this is going to be so hard, you're going to get pushed to your limit, and we don't want anyone that isn't willing to do that". They're selling fun and correctly making college football on the west coast attractive to both recruits and fans. I've never seen UW do that in the last 6 years except how awesome their grades will be and how well they develop for the league. The rest of it isn't hard to shirk off if you're a sought after recruit. Sure athletes still have an easier time than most at UW. But they don't find that out until they get there.

Moreover what I see from the marketing department regarding how great Seattle is, Amazon and Microsoft, etc, isn't something I think kids care that much about. Their parents probably don't either.

But yes, UW is *fucking* superior to Oregon, and always will be. There are some people that would excel at all 4 schools, but who gives a shit.

And yet despite your "superiority" the football product that you've put on the field for the last 25 years has only rarely been superior to the product Oregon has put on the field.

But hey, at least you have the comfort in knowing that UW isn't selling fun to their recruits or fans. Got to find those little "victories" wherever you can I guess.

I'm saying it like it's a complete failure on the coaching and AD, because it is.

If you think that UW and Oregon are somehow equal and don't have different challenges to deal with, as in UW is in Seattle and wants to be just like Cal/Stanford/UCLA and a lot of people there don't give a fuck about sports at all, you're a moron. You should appreciate that until the inevitable Phil death and the druids take over the campus.

In terms of football? No fucking way are they equal. We left you guys behind in about 2000 and we've rarely looked back since. Yeah, I'm sure when the Billionaire Phil Knight dies he will do nothing to make sure Oregon's dominance doesn't continue.

I did not say in terms of football.

Phil already achieved his dream of renovating the track stadium. Oregon's dominance? What the fuck? 2014 and 2019. Jesus dude, you guys got clowned by Stanford just as much as UW did.

 

[ToiletBowl1983]

Exactly Bob and I’m sure all these complaining fucks had the government chip in half of their Social Security. Nearly all of what I get I put in myself. I was a teacher for a short time and was self employed for 48 years. In those 48 years the government didn’t chip in a fucking dime for my Social Security.

I always thought the employer paid the other half, not the government.

 

[creepycoug]

Like I said if you look at the last 3 years of the Pac 12, it's ridiculous to claim any of those teams and coaches were great. They all shit the bed, had an easy conference championship game, and the difference was who they played in their bowl. It's certainly not a "marginal difference" saying that playing Ohio State who owns the entire conference isn't much different than that knuckle dragging Wisconsin team that put the ball on the ground for you. You play who you play so I don't have a problem with their rose bowl champ stuff, but it's a little early to crown his ass anything as anything more than 2016 Pete.

I'm not really talking about graduation rates. I'm talking about the fact that Oregon isn't telling kids "this is going to be so hard, you're going to get pushed to your limit, and we don't want anyone that isn't willing to do that". They're selling fun and correctly making college football on the west coast attractive to both recruits and fans. I've never seen UW do that in the last 6 years except how awesome their grades will be and how well they develop for the league. The rest of it isn't hard to shirk off if you're a sought after recruit. Sure athletes still have an easier time than most at UW. But they don't find that out until they get there.

Moreover what I see from the marketing department regarding how great Seattle is, Amazon and Microsoft, etc, isn't something I think kids care that much about. Their parents probably don't either.

But yes, UW is *fucking* superior to Oregon, and always will be. There are some people that would excel at all 4 schools, but who gives a shit.

And yet despite your "superiority" the football product that you've put on the field for the last 25 years has only rarely been superior to the product Oregon has put on the field.

But hey, at least you have the comfort in knowing that UW isn't selling fun to their recruits or fans. Got to find those little "victories" wherever you can I guess.

I'm saying it like it's a complete failure on the coaching and AD, because it is.

If you think that UW and Oregon are somehow equal and don't have different challenges to deal with, as in UW is in Seattle and wants to be just like Cal/Stanford/UCLA and a lot of people there don't give a fuck about sports at all, you're a moron. You should appreciate that until the inevitable Phil death and the druids take over the campus.

My theory on all of that is that it's overplayed. I agree with some of what you wrote, but this idea that we're trying to be Stanford and that's hurting the football program ... I don't buy it. There's always tension between upper campus and big-tim athletics. Most schools want to be better academically and have forces pushing that goal. Florida State was a joke school; Florida was marginally better. They've both climbed the rankings and especially Florida, which has sky-rocketed. Those schools still sell the fb program ... winning, NFL and all that despite the powerful forces that push the academic aspects of the university. They're not mutually exclusive. Oregon, itself, is much more focused on its academic mission, and we can cite 100 examples of this.

So why has UW struggled? One word: luck. You can have a serious AD and all the public support in the world; but until you get the right coach to string together some good seasons and the get recruiting ball rolling, you don't have shit. They got kind of lucky with Peterman, started winning, recruiting improved, etc. And then it didn't work out. That's the story of most programs.

Every single time you lost a coach you are at the roullete table for the next guy. Event the proven guys rarely succeed at the same level at their next stop.

Look, despite its disadvantages (stadium, etc.), Miami sits in a fantastic position with huge built-in advantages. Primary among those are proximity to the most fertile recruiting grounds anywhere, history of winning, legendary coaches, legendary players, location (Miami and South Beach > than 98% of alternatives) and a strong af brand. ALL of that, and they haven't done shit since, what 2003 or 2004? 16 years bro. That's a lot of mediocrity.

Oregon got lucky with Kelly, unlucky with Sling and Willie, and may have gotten lucky again. Time will tell. That's about as scientific as you're gonna get with it.

 

[creepycoug]

Like I said if you look at the last 3 years of the Pac 12, it's ridiculous to claim any of those teams and coaches were great. They all shit the bed, had an easy conference championship game, and the difference was who they played in their bowl. It's certainly not a "marginal difference" saying that playing Ohio State who owns the entire conference isn't much different than that knuckle dragging Wisconsin team that put the ball on the ground for you. You play who you play so I don't have a problem with their rose bowl champ stuff, but it's a little early to crown his ass anything as anything more than 2016 Pete.

I'm not really talking about graduation rates. I'm talking about the fact that Oregon isn't telling kids "this is going to be so hard, you're going to get pushed to your limit, and we don't want anyone that isn't willing to do that". They're selling fun and correctly making college football on the west coast attractive to both recruits and fans. I've never seen UW do that in the last 6 years except how awesome their grades will be and how well they develop for the league. The rest of it isn't hard to shirk off if you're a sought after recruit. Sure athletes still have an easier time than most at UW. But they don't find that out until they get there.

Moreover what I see from the marketing department regarding how great Seattle is, Amazon and Microsoft, etc, isn't something I think kids care that much about. Their parents probably don't either.

But yes, UW is *fucking* superior to Oregon, and always will be. There are some people that would excel at all 4 schools, but who gives a shit.

And yet despite your "superiority" the football product that you've put on the field for the last 25 years has only rarely been superior to the product Oregon has put on the field.

But hey, at least you have the comfort in knowing that UW isn't selling fun to their recruits or fans. Got to find those little "victories" wherever you can I guess.

I'm saying it like it's a complete failure on the coaching and AD, because it is.

If you think that UW and Oregon are somehow equal and don't have different challenges to deal with, as in UW is in Seattle and wants to be just like Cal/Stanford/UCLA and a lot of people there don't give a fuck about sports at all, you're a moron. You should appreciate that until the inevitable Phil death and the druids take over the campus.

In terms of football? No fucking way are they equal. We left you guys behind in about 2000 and we've rarely looked back since. Yeah, I'm sure when the Billionaire Phil Knight dies he will do nothing to make sure Oregon's dominance doesn't continue.

I did not say in terms of football.

Phil already achieved his dream of renovating the track stadium. Oregon's dominance? What the fuck? 2014 and 2019. Jesus dude, you guys got clowned by Stanford just as much as UW did.

I'm not sure it was always "clowned" by Stanford, and they also beat them. But that's one team. The bottom line is that they had a run, it was a good run that didn't produce a natty, but a good run nonetheless. Washington was poised to have a run with Peterman, but he fizzled out and the run wasn't as good. He's right. You have to go back 20 years. Washington has not been Washington in a long time.

 

[SFGbob]

Like I said if you look at the last 3 years of the Pac 12, it's ridiculous to claim any of those teams and coaches were great. They all shit the bed, had an easy conference championship game, and the difference was who they played in their bowl. It's certainly not a "marginal difference" saying that playing Ohio State who owns the entire conference isn't much different than that knuckle dragging Wisconsin team that put the ball on the ground for you. You play who you play so I don't have a problem with their rose bowl champ stuff, but it's a little early to crown his ass anything as anything more than 2016 Pete.

I'm not really talking about graduation rates. I'm talking about the fact that Oregon isn't telling kids "this is going to be so hard, you're going to get pushed to your limit, and we don't want anyone that isn't willing to do that". They're selling fun and correctly making college football on the west coast attractive to both recruits and fans. I've never seen UW do that in the last 6 years except how awesome their grades will be and how well they develop for the league. The rest of it isn't hard to shirk off if you're a sought after recruit. Sure athletes still have an easier time than most at UW. But they don't find that out until they get there.

Moreover what I see from the marketing department regarding how great Seattle is, Amazon and Microsoft, etc, isn't something I think kids care that much about. Their parents probably don't either.

But yes, UW is *fucking* superior to Oregon, and always will be. There are some people that would excel at all 4 schools, but who gives a shit.

And yet despite your "superiority" the football product that you've put on the field for the last 25 years has only rarely been superior to the product Oregon has put on the field.

But hey, at least you have the comfort in knowing that UW isn't selling fun to their recruits or fans. Got to find those little "victories" wherever you can I guess.

I'm saying it like it's a complete failure on the coaching and AD, because it is.

If you think that UW and Oregon are somehow equal and don't have different challenges to deal with, as in UW is in Seattle and wants to be just like Cal/Stanford/UCLA and a lot of people there don't give a fuck about sports at all, you're a moron. You should appreciate that until the inevitable Phil death and the druids take over the campus.

In terms of football? No fucking way are they equal. We left you guys behind in about 2000 and we've rarely looked back since. Yeah, I'm sure when the Billionaire Phil Knight dies he will do nothing to make sure Oregon's dominance doesn't continue.

I did not say in terms of football.

Phil already achieved his dream of renovating the track stadium. Oregon's dominance? What the fuck? 2014 and 2019. Jesus dude, you guys got clowned by Stanford just as much as UW did.

We're comparing Oregon and Washington's football teams over the last 25 years. But for a handful of years in that time period you guys have been a fucking joke. But hey, I understand why you would want to count Stanford's win over Oregon as some of your own.

 

[RaceBannon]

I gave this argument up a decade ago.

 

[haie]

Like I said if you look at the last 3 years of the Pac 12, it's ridiculous to claim any of those teams and coaches were great. They all shit the bed, had an easy conference championship game, and the difference was who they played in their bowl. It's certainly not a "marginal difference" saying that playing Ohio State who owns the entire conference isn't much different than that knuckle dragging Wisconsin team that put the ball on the ground for you. You play who you play so I don't have a problem with their rose bowl champ stuff, but it's a little early to crown his ass anything as anything more than 2016 Pete.

I'm not really talking about graduation rates. I'm talking about the fact that Oregon isn't telling kids "this is going to be so hard, you're going to get pushed to your limit, and we don't want anyone that isn't willing to do that". They're selling fun and correctly making college football on the west coast attractive to both recruits and fans. I've never seen UW do that in the last 6 years except how awesome their grades will be and how well they develop for the league. The rest of it isn't hard to shirk off if you're a sought after recruit. Sure athletes still have an easier time than most at UW. But they don't find that out until they get there.

Moreover what I see from the marketing department regarding how great Seattle is, Amazon and Microsoft, etc, isn't something I think kids care that much about. Their parents probably don't either.

But yes, UW is *fucking* superior to Oregon, and always will be. There are some people that would excel at all 4 schools, but who gives a shit.

And yet despite your "superiority" the football product that you've put on the field for the last 25 years has only rarely been superior to the product Oregon has put on the field.

But hey, at least you have the comfort in knowing that UW isn't selling fun to their recruits or fans. Got to find those little "victories" wherever you can I guess.

I'm saying it like it's a complete failure on the coaching and AD, because it is.

If you think that UW and Oregon are somehow equal and don't have different challenges to deal with, as in UW is in Seattle and wants to be just like Cal/Stanford/UCLA and a lot of people there don't give a fuck about sports at all, you're a moron. You should appreciate that until the inevitable Phil death and the druids take over the campus.

In terms of football? No fucking way are they equal. We left you guys behind in about 2000 and we've rarely looked back since. Yeah, I'm sure when the Billionaire Phil Knight dies he will do nothing to make sure Oregon's dominance doesn't continue.

I did not say in terms of football.

Phil already achieved his dream of renovating the track stadium. Oregon's dominance? What the fuck? 2014 and 2019. Jesus dude, you guys got clowned by Stanford just as much as UW did.

We're comparing Oregon and Washington's football teams over the last 25 years. But for a handful of years in that time period you guys have been a fucking joke. But hey, I understand why you would want to count Stanford's win over Oregon as some of your own.

You understand what I'm saying about as well as Vernon Adams understands a regression algorithm.

 

[haie]

Like I said if you look at the last 3 years of the Pac 12, it's ridiculous to claim any of those teams and coaches were great. They all shit the bed, had an easy conference championship game, and the difference was who they played in their bowl. It's certainly not a "marginal difference" saying that playing Ohio State who owns the entire conference isn't much different than that knuckle dragging Wisconsin team that put the ball on the ground for you. You play who you play so I don't have a problem with their rose bowl champ stuff, but it's a little early to crown his ass anything as anything more than 2016 Pete.

I'm not really talking about graduation rates. I'm talking about the fact that Oregon isn't telling kids "this is going to be so hard, you're going to get pushed to your limit, and we don't want anyone that isn't willing to do that". They're selling fun and correctly making college football on the west coast attractive to both recruits and fans. I've never seen UW do that in the last 6 years except how awesome their grades will be and how well they develop for the league. The rest of it isn't hard to shirk off if you're a sought after recruit. Sure athletes still have an easier time than most at UW. But they don't find that out until they get there.

Moreover what I see from the marketing department regarding how great Seattle is, Amazon and Microsoft, etc, isn't something I think kids care that much about. Their parents probably don't either.

But yes, UW is *fucking* superior to Oregon, and always will be. There are some people that would excel at all 4 schools, but who gives a shit.

And yet despite your "superiority" the football product that you've put on the field for the last 25 years has only rarely been superior to the product Oregon has put on the field.

But hey, at least you have the comfort in knowing that UW isn't selling fun to their recruits or fans. Got to find those little "victories" wherever you can I guess.

I'm saying it like it's a complete failure on the coaching and AD, because it is.

If you think that UW and Oregon are somehow equal and don't have different challenges to deal with, as in UW is in Seattle and wants to be just like Cal/Stanford/UCLA and a lot of people there don't give a fuck about sports at all, you're a moron. You should appreciate that until the inevitable Phil death and the druids take over the campus.

My theory on all of that is that it's overplayed. I agree with some of what you wrote, but this idea that we're trying to be Stanford and that's hurting the football program ... I don't buy it. There's always tension between upper campus and big-tim athletics. Most schools want to be better academically and have forces pushing that goal. Florida State was a joke school; Florida was marginally better. They've both climbed the rankings and especially Florida, which has sky-rocketed. Those schools still sell the fb program ... winning, NFL and all that despite the powerful forces that push the academic aspects of the university. They're not mutually exclusive. Oregon, itself, is much more focused on its academic mission, and we can cite 100 examples of this.

So why has UW struggled? One word: luck. You can have a serious AD and all the public support in the world; but until you get the right coach to string together some good seasons and the get recruiting ball rolling, you don't have shit. They got kind of lucky with Peterman, started winning, recruiting improved, etc. And then it didn't work out. That's the story of most programs.

Every single time you lost a coach you are at the roullete table for the next guy. Event the proven guys rarely succeed at the same level at their next stop.

Look, despite its disadvantages (stadium, etc.), Miami sits in a fantastic position with huge built-in advantages. Primary among those are proximity to the most fertile recruiting grounds anywhere, history of winning, legendary coaches, legendary players, location (Miami and South Beach > than 98% of alternatives) and a strong af brand. ALL of that, and they haven't done shit since, what 2003 or 2004? 16 years bro. That's a lot of mediocrity.

Oregon got lucky with Kelly, unlucky with Sling and Willie, and may have gotten lucky again. Time will tell. That's about as scientific as you're gonna get with it.

I agree with most of this except I think it's Cal/UCLA that UW really aspires to be. Especially as a student there it seemed very incestuous between UW and Berkeley.

Stanford is another issue entirely and they have embarrassed Oregon and UW equally on the field.

 

[SFGbob]

I recall beating Stanford twice when they had Luck as their QB. Something I don't believe UW ever did.

Getting beat 41 to 0 by a team that Oregon laid 52 points I agree is embarrassing.

 

[haie]

I recall beating Stanford twice when they had Luck as their QB. Something I don't believe UW ever did.

Getting beat 41 to 0 by a team that Oregon laid 52 points I agree is embarrassing.

I recall your best team in school history getting beat by them at home when they didn't have Luck.

 

[SFGbob]

I recall beating Stanford twice when they had Luck as their QB. Something I don't believe UW ever did.

Getting beat 41 to 0 by a team that Oregon laid 52 points I agree is embarrassing.

I recall your best team in school history getting beat by them at home when they didn't have Luck.

It happens. Your best team in the past 25 years was beat by Oregon. You should know a lot about losing to inferior competition. Hell a mediocre Oregon squad beat you in 2018.

Oh yeah, in 2010, while you were getting your asses waxed by Stanford's best team 41 - 0, we beat Stanford's best team 52 - 31.

 

[haie]

I recall beating Stanford twice when they had Luck as their QB. Something I don't believe UW ever did.

Getting beat 41 to 0 by a team that Oregon laid 52 points I agree is embarrassing.

I recall your best team in school history getting beat by them at home when they didn't have Luck.

It happens. Your best team in the past 25 years was beat by Oregon. You should know a lot about losing to inferior competition. Hell a mediocre Oregon squad beat you in 2018.

Oh yeah, in 2010, while you were getting your asses waxed by Stanford's best team 41 - 0, we beat Stanford's best team 52 - 31.

I'm in the minority in thinking our best team in 25 years, minimally our most talented, lost to SC and Bama and wiped the trash straight out of Eugene that year.

It's well documented we lost to inferior competition but talking shit after losing 4 out of 5 to bottom 2 cuog talent is rich. Needed your Make-A-Wish kicker to bail you out this year even.

You're a shit party school with your SEC West Coast bullshit even though you haven't matched even their 3rd best program.