WTF is Climate Change?

The citation is several threads that exposed your lack of logic. That was evident from my last post and why you switched to attack mode.

I did take on your plan - burning wood on a global scale is not the answer.

LOL I conceded it's not the answer on a global scale but said it was an example how sustainable energy is possible in locales. I also detailed the other alternatives like solar, tidal, geothermal, etc., but you ignored those. Turns out there's much more potential energy in renewables than there is in carbon based fuels.

My plan has also been clearly delineated in thread after thread. We need the efficient carbon found in oil and natural gas, we need to keep it affordable for people to use. The market will adjust to alternatives when they make sense for the market.

I said we need to ease off of it sooner rather than later. Natural gas is what we need to focus on as the process is moved forward because it burns much cleaner than other carbon based fuels
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I'm not the one advocating that we make what we have unaffordable without having anything to replace it that will actually work.

That's not what I'm advocating either, but I'm not surprised you missed that. People read what they want to read.

America leads the world in energy, environment, and technology and I'm comfortable with that. You response was a wood burning at a college in Vermont. I guess I'm just too weak minded to see how that is anything other than a local thing that I have no issue with per se, but it is no solution to the global demand for energy.

Again, you ignore the other alternatives presented and focus on my example thinking I intended it on a global scale. Wrong.

The fact that this world wide alarmist climate religion is focused squarely on the USA when its the developing world that is dirty as we were a century ago leads me to think it is quite possible there is an ulterior motive here by the usual anti capitalist suspects that have been trying to undermine America for a century now.

IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY TO TAKE DOWN BIG OIL!!!1!!!!1!

You need the plan. We need efficient energy, carbon provides that, America makes it cleaner all the time. Until you come up with something better there is no need to sit around crying about it. We all benefit from it. Admit it.

It's also causing global warming and is a finite resource which we will run out of within the next century. We need MORE efficient energy that will last longer.

This is about the 23rd time I've said the same thing, If you don't get it then check yourself.

My work in this thread is done. Don't take it personally. The slopes are calling.
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"Heats woodchips". Lol

Yeah, wood burning furnace to produce energy. There's a fucking solution.
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And the weak minded show their true colors.

Don't understand the biomass process at all.

Don't seem to want to.

Lightweights.
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I understand biomass fine. I know that there is a fuel that needs to be grown, which takes energy, removes carbon removing plants from the environment, takes land away from food prduction to be used for fuel production, and yet "heating" the woodchips takes energy and produces pollution.

Yet compared to No. 6 oil it has reduced fossil fuel emissions by 60% and the impact on the environment has been negligible

What you don't seem to understand or want to understand is the unintended consequences of what you preach. Economic and environmental. You seem content to sit in you first world bubble and really don't seem to care about the real and immediate impacts on those who are at the bottom of the economic chain. But that's what I would expect from a young college student who is still in his indoctrination phase.

The economic and environmental consequences of continuing to rely on carbon based fuels is far greater than any move towards renewables would be. Hth.
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When yo drive to the slopes make sure to fill your car with potential energy. I clearly allowed that when potential energy is real energy we'll have it. You act like no one is working on alternatives. And you act like your side isn't trying to make what we have more expensive when they clearly are. Carbon taxes and the like don't reduce the cost. Do you really think energy producers are going to just run out of energy and go out of business?

The point about your little local wood burner versus global demand was made clear by Damone. If it doesn't scale global it doesn't work. If it costs more energy and warming to produce it isn't viable. That's why we don't have it

It makes you feel good about yourself, that's about it. That's the conceit of youth. We've been there, we just grew up. Someday you will too

This is now the 24th time. You really should stop.
 
The economic and environmental consequences of continuing to rely on carbon based fuels is far greater than any move towards renewables would be. Hth.
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It depends how you get there.

We won't be running out of oil or gas in your lifetime, or your grandkids lifetime...and by then the market and technology will get the cost of other sources or energy down to a point that they are viable. Again, you're sitting in a first world socialist bubble. The market will always adapt and inexpensive energy will always be developed. There are those that will profit greatly from getting the taxpayers to buy into and finance their fantasy. If the government gets out of the way, we will get to where you envision, and it won't bankrupt us.

HTH
 
Yet compared to No. 6 oil it has reduced fossil fuel emissions by 60% and the impact on the environment has been negligible
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That's because it's not being done on any meaningful scale. It's much less efficient that oil or gas. Ever heard of black carbon? DO you realize how much carbon would be released if biomass was a widespread use of energy? In the meantime, the government will pump billions into it and those who are well connected will get rich. All for nothing.
 
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The economic and environmental consequences of continuing to rely on carbon based fuels is far greater than any move towards renewables would be. Hth.

Great soundbite

Damone wins the thread overwhelmingly
 
When yo drive to the slopes make sure to fill your car with potential energy. I clearly allowed that when potential energy is real energy we'll have it. You act like no one is working on alternatives. And you act like your side isn't trying to make what we have more expensive when they clearly are. Carbon taxes and the like don't reduce the cost. Do you really think energy producers are going to just run out of energy and go out of business?

Energy producers are on that path right now. Why do they spend millions on lobbying Washington for tax breaks and restricting emissions legislation? As long as fossil fuels are massively profitable they aren't going to look for alternatives

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The point about your little local wood burner versus global demand was made clear by Damone. If it doesn't scale global it doesn't work. If it costs more energy and warming to produce it isn't viable. That's why we don't have it

It doesn't cost more energy and warming to produce. In fact it's saved roughly a million in energy costs since introduced. Not surprised you didn't see that.

It makes you feel good about yourself, that's about it. That's the conceit of youth. We've been there, we just grew up. Someday you will too

No, it's an example that sustainable energy is tangible and cost effective. It's the future. Fuck off

This is now the 24th time. You really should stop.
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The economic and environmental consequences of continuing to rely on carbon based fuels is far greater than any move towards renewables would be. Hth.
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It depends how you get there.

We won't be running out of oil or gas in your lifetime, or your grandkids lifetime...and by then the market and technology will get the cost of other sources or energy down to a point that they are viable.

That's the most irresponsible argument in this whole mess. And everyone calls my generation the "me generation". LOL

Again, you're sitting in a first world socialist bubble. The market will always adapt and inexpensive energy will always be developed.

Energy has done nothing but become more expensive. Still waiting for the inexpensive alternatives to be developed. In the long term, the market can't rely on finite energy resources. You tout supply and demand, what happens when the carbon based supply begins to greatly decrease. Skyrocketing energy costs.

There are those that will profit greatly from getting the taxpayers to buy into and finance their fantasy. If the government gets out of the way, we will get to where you envision, and it won't bankrupt us.

No, carbon based resources need to be de-incentivized and renewable sources encouraged. If there were no tax credits much fewer people would be attempting to find clean alternatives.

HTH
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Yet compared to No. 6 oil it has reduced fossil fuel emissions by 60% and the impact on the environment has been negligible
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That's because it's not being done on any meaningful scale.

That's because the infrastructure is still developing for fucks sake. Oil production wasn't done on a meaningful scale in the 1880's and look where we are now.

It's much less efficient that oil or gas.

Actually it's efficient because it's sustainable. Hth

Ever heard of black carbon?

LOL get the fuck out. Black carbon has a max atmospheric life of a couple weeks whereas CO2's ~100 years. Why do all biomass operations emit less fossil fuels than your standard oil, coal, natural gas operations?

DO you realize how much carbon would be released if biomass was a widespread use of energy?

In the meantime, the government will pump billions into it and those who are well connected will get rich.

You mean the big oil companies? Yes.

All for nothing.
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Great Google search as always.

I just found Race's Obama donation e-mail

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That was from my gmail account. @DerekJohnson can verify that's what I used to sign up for this site.

Why would I make that shit up?

Fuck off.
 
Collegedoog wants poor and middle class people to pay high energy prices now using "alternative" sources so that some day, if the oil runs out, they still get to pay high energy prices. Selfish asshole.

It would be awesome if we could all use the government/taxpayers as our venture capitalist so that bureaucrats with no skin in the game can make stupid investments on our behalf. So when the investment doesn't pay off, it's oh well! And when the company is successful, the government rarely, if ever gets a return that is even close to the commensurate risk. The owners of the company make billions on an uncompensated risk taken by the government. If it's a good idea and will be viable, the market will invest in it. period.
 
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Collegedoog wants poor and middle class people to pay high energy prices now using "alternative" sources so that some day, if the oil runs out, they still get to pay high energy prices. Selfish asshole.

You haven't been able to follow my argument. I said we need to "ease" off of it. That doesn't mean pulling the plug

It would be awesome if we could all use the government/taxpayers as our venture capitalist so that bureaucrats with no skin in the game can make stupid investments on our behalf. So when the investment doesn't pay off, it's oh well! And when the company is successful, the government rarely, if ever gets a return that is even close to the commensurate risk. The owners of the company make billions on an uncompensated risk taken by the government. If it's a good idea and will be viable, the market will invest in it. period.

That's not what I said. Incentives for finding sustainable energy should be encouraged.

Not surprised you missed that while clouded in your anti-statist world view

BTW wouldn't an anti-statist hate the idea of mandating photo ID's for voting purposes. It's amazing you never see the irony in your positions.
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