WSDOT: Too few minorities, women on tunnel project

[death2ducks]

Why are we even building a tunnel? Waterfront streets would be much bettter.

Also, AA is necessary.

I find the trust fund babies who lack any real skills getting jobs on Wall Street because of dad much more appalling.

Self loathing is sad

Look, AA isn't perfect and there are egregous examples of its misuse popping up. For instance wealthy African Americans students are a huge benefactor in the college admissions process.

I don't like that it makes people too beholden to their background although they may have different views.

But there's something to be said about "critical mass" in education and the socioeconomic intentions of the law.

I imagine it will become less important over time.

Justice O'Connor's opinion in Grutter v Bollinger is a good read.

You've reached critical mass when an African-American guy gets elected to the Presidency twice.

Hope this helps.

Disagree. I can only speak about AA from an educational standpoint, but if everything went completely to merit based there would be huge disadvantages.

Disagree. You're failing there too. A typical guilty white Seattle liberal knows nothing about Affirmative Action in the educational system.

Huh. I've been surrounded by AA beneficiaries since middle school. Without a doubt I feel my education was supplemented as a result.

You really need to get the fuck out of Middlebury, VT and get into the real world. You may stick your nose up at my military experience, but I'll compare my understanding of disadvantaged minorities to yours any day. When you wake up in a room with 80 other guys every day, most of whom you would classify as disadvantaged, you get to know and understand them very quickly. Because Middlebury gave a scholarship to a half black kid with rich parents, who lives in general proximity to you, doesn't teach you shit.

My bunkie in boot camp was a black kid from Mississippi who I taught to read. It was one of my greatest accomplishments.

Now run along a go discuss income inequality at the Middlebury Starbucks.

Why had he previously never been taught to read?

Tell me. The answer ain't pretty.

He was raised in a Shotgun House in Tupelo, MS. He didn't cause trouble and was passed along until he dropped out of school.

 

[dnc]

People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.

In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.

Why do you hate Franklin?

Of course, Garfield and Franklin are two of the best three public schools in the city.

Ingraham, Chief Sealth, West Seattle...

Okay I've been gone for awhile, what are you implying with this list. That those three schools are primarily full of minorities and poor schools? Or that they're better than Garfield and Franklin? I'm not sure which angle you're playing here. I lived in Sealth's district. It sucked, that's why I went to Franklin. Has it cleaned things up a bit?

 

[[Deleted User]]

Why are we even building a tunnel? Waterfront streets would be much bettter.

Also, AA is necessary.

I find the trust fund babies who lack any real skills getting jobs on Wall Street because of dad much more appalling.

Self loathing is sad

Look, AA isn't perfect and there are egregous examples of its misuse popping up. For instance wealthy African Americans students are a huge benefactor in the college admissions process.

I don't like that it makes people too beholden to their background although they may have different views.

But there's something to be said about "critical mass" in education and the socioeconomic intentions of the law.

I imagine it will become less important over time.

Justice O'Connor's opinion in Grutter v Bollinger is a good read.

You've reached critical mass when an African-American guy gets elected to the Presidency twice.

Hope this helps.

Disagree. I can only speak about AA from an educational standpoint, but if everything went completely to merit based there would be huge disadvantages.

Disagree. You're failing there too. A typical guilty white Seattle liberal knows nothing about Affirmative Action in the educational system.

Huh. I've been surrounded by AA beneficiaries since middle school. Without a doubt I feel my education was supplemented as a result.

You really need to get the fuck out of Middlebury, VT and get into the real world. You may stick your nose up at my military experience, but I'll compare my understanding of disadvantaged minorities to yours any day. When you wake up in a room with 80 other guys every day, most of whom you would classify as disadvantaged, you get to know and understand them very quickly. Because Middlebury gave a scholarship to a half black kid with rich parents, who lives in general proximity to you, doesn't teach you shit.

My bunkie in boot camp was a black kid from Mississippi who I taught to read. It was one of my greatest accomplishments.

Now run along a go discuss income inequality at the Middlebury Starbucks.

Why had he previously never been taught to read?

Tell me. The answer ain't pretty.

He was raised in a Shotgun House in Tupelo, MS. He didn't cause trouble and was passed along until he dropped out of school.

So he was disadvantaged through no fault of his own? That's what I'm getting at in this thread.

 

[PurpleJ]

It's way too easy to judge people solely on the basis of their qualifications and abilities. It isn't fair. We need to even out the playing field by creating a different set of standards for the people who we deem to be at a disadvantage. That's fair.

 

[[Deleted User]]

People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.

In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.

Why do you hate Franklin?

Of course, Garfield and Franklin are two of the best three public schools in the city.

Ingraham, Chief Sealth, West Seattle...

Okay I've been gone for awhile, what are you implying with this list. That those three schools are primarily full of minorities and poor schools? Or that they're better than Garfield and Franklin? I'm not sure which angle you're playing here. I lived in Sealth's district. It sucked, that's why I went to Franklin. Has it cleaned things up a bit?

Ingraham is made up of mainly the north end minority community and is severely underfunded.

West Seattle and Sealth face the same issues.

If you live in these areas, access to a better education is much more difficult to come by.

 

[death2ducks]

Why are we even building a tunnel? Waterfront streets would be much bettter.

Also, AA is necessary.

I find the trust fund babies who lack any real skills getting jobs on Wall Street because of dad much more appalling.

Self loathing is sad

Look, AA isn't perfect and there are egregous examples of its misuse popping up. For instance wealthy African Americans students are a huge benefactor in the college admissions process.

I don't like that it makes people too beholden to their background although they may have different views.

But there's something to be said about "critical mass" in education and the socioeconomic intentions of the law.

I imagine it will become less important over time.

Justice O'Connor's opinion in Grutter v Bollinger is a good read.

You've reached critical mass when an African-American guy gets elected to the Presidency twice.

Hope this helps.

Disagree. I can only speak about AA from an educational standpoint, but if everything went completely to merit based there would be huge disadvantages.

Disagree. You're failing there too. A typical guilty white Seattle liberal knows nothing about Affirmative Action in the educational system.

Huh. I've been surrounded by AA beneficiaries since middle school. Without a doubt I feel my education was supplemented as a result.

You really need to get the fuck out of Middlebury, VT and get into the real world. You may stick your nose up at my military experience, but I'll compare my understanding of disadvantaged minorities to yours any day. When you wake up in a room with 80 other guys every day, most of whom you would classify as disadvantaged, you get to know and understand them very quickly. Because Middlebury gave a scholarship to a half black kid with rich parents, who lives in general proximity to you, doesn't teach you shit.

My bunkie in boot camp was a black kid from Mississippi who I taught to read. It was one of my greatest accomplishments.

Now run along a go discuss income inequality at the Middlebury Starbucks.

Why had he previously never been taught to read?

Tell me. The answer ain't pretty.

He was raised in a Shotgun House in Tupelo, MS. He didn't cause trouble and was passed along until he dropped out of school.

So he was disadvantaged through no fault of his own?

I never thought about whose fault it was. I just fixed the problem. Why are you so hung up on assigning blame instead of just fixing problems? Or trying bullshit social experiments?

 

[[Deleted User]]

Why are we even building a tunnel? Waterfront streets would be much bettter.

Also, AA is necessary.

I find the trust fund babies who lack any real skills getting jobs on Wall Street because of dad much more appalling.

Self loathing is sad

Look, AA isn't perfect and there are egregous examples of its misuse popping up. For instance wealthy African Americans students are a huge benefactor in the college admissions process.

I don't like that it makes people too beholden to their background although they may have different views.

But there's something to be said about "critical mass" in education and the socioeconomic intentions of the law.

I imagine it will become less important over time.

Justice O'Connor's opinion in Grutter v Bollinger is a good read.

You've reached critical mass when an African-American guy gets elected to the Presidency twice.

Hope this helps.

Disagree. I can only speak about AA from an educational standpoint, but if everything went completely to merit based there would be huge disadvantages.

Disagree. You're failing there too. A typical guilty white Seattle liberal knows nothing about Affirmative Action in the educational system.

Huh. I've been surrounded by AA beneficiaries since middle school. Without a doubt I feel my education was supplemented as a result.

You really need to get the fuck out of Middlebury, VT and get into the real world. You may stick your nose up at my military experience, but I'll compare my understanding of disadvantaged minorities to yours any day. When you wake up in a room with 80 other guys every day, most of whom you would classify as disadvantaged, you get to know and understand them very quickly. Because Middlebury gave a scholarship to a half black kid with rich parents, who lives in general proximity to you, doesn't teach you shit.

My bunkie in boot camp was a black kid from Mississippi who I taught to read. It was one of my greatest accomplishments.

Now run along a go discuss income inequality at the Middlebury Starbucks.

Why had he previously never been taught to read?

Tell me. The answer ain't pretty.

He was raised in a Shotgun House in Tupelo, MS. He didn't cause trouble and was passed along until he dropped out of school.

So he was disadvantaged through no fault of his own?

I never thought about whose fault it was. I just fixed the problem. Why are you so hung up on assigning blame instead of just fixing problems? Or trying bullshit social
experiments?

LOL providing avenues of opportunity IS a fix to the problem.

 

[DerekJohnson]

(Garfield) had a silver medal of distinction from U.S. News and World Report in 2008 and 2009 for being among the top-performing high schools in terms of college readiness.[12] The school is noted for producing a number of National Merit Scholars each year,[5] and Garfield consistently produces more National Merit Scholars each year than any other public school in Washington state.[13] Garfield frequently competes for the highest number of National Merit Scholars of any school in the state, including private schools.

They have a good AP program. Everything else is poor.

Garfield High jazz band takes first place at Essentially Ellington

Garfield High School jazz band placed first in the Essentially Ellington High School Jazz Band Competition & Festival at New York's Lincoln Center. Bands from Roosevelt and Edmonds-Woodway high schools competed but did not make it to the top three.

By Hugo Kugiya

Special to The Seattle Times

The Garfield High School jazz band performs in the Essentially Ellington competition, winning first place for the fourth time in a decade.
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The Garfield High School jazz band performs in the Essentially Ellington competition, winning first place for the fourth time in a decade.
Play video: Garfield jazz band practices for Essentially Ellington

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[[Deleted User]]

My #RoughRiders jazz band is gonna unseat them this March.

Cook it!

 

[TierbsHsotBoobs]

People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.

In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.

Once again you speak of minorities like they are a peg below other people, as in you have no faith that they can accomplish things that everyone should be able to. If you have determination and drive you will succeed.

I speak from a statistical position.

The fact is class mobility is low and continues to decline.

I don't understand why some hate policies that seek to reverse that trend.

Those policies have been in place for 40 years.

You have just presented a logical argument that those policies have failed miserably.

 

[TierbsHsotBoobs]

People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.

In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.

Why do you hate Franklin?

Of course, Garfield and Franklin are two of the best three public schools in the city.

Ingraham, Chief Sealth, West Seattle...

Okay I've been gone for awhile, what are you implying with this list. That those three schools are primarily full of minorities and poor schools? Or that they're better than Garfield and Franklin? I'm not sure which angle you're playing here. I lived in Sealth's district. It sucked, that's why I went to Franklin. Has it cleaned things up a bit?

Ingraham is made up of mainly the north end minority community and is severely underfunded.

West Seattle and Sealth face the same issues.

If you live in these areas, access to a better education is much more difficult to come by.

The best school I ever went to as a kid was in West Seattle.

 

[CuntWaffle]

People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.

In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.

Why do you hate Franklin?

Of course, Garfield and Franklin are two of the best three public schools in the city.

Ingraham, Chief Sealth, West Seattle...

Okay I've been gone for awhile, what are you implying with this list. That those three schools are primarily full of minorities and poor schools? Or that they're better than Garfield and Franklin? I'm not sure which angle you're playing here. I lived in Sealth's district. It sucked, that's why I went to Franklin. Has it cleaned things up a bit?

Ingraham is made up of mainly the north end minority community and is severely underfunded.

West Seattle and Sealth face the same issues.

If you live in these areas, access to a better education is much more difficult to come by.

The best school I ever went to as a kid was in West Seattle.

West Seattle has good AP classes but the rest suck.

 

[TierbsHsotBoobs]

Lakeside has good AP classes but the rest suck.

 

[SandyHooker]

My #RoughRiders jazz band is gonna unseat them this March.

Cook it!

I need to see a championship

 

[[Deleted User]]

People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.

In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.

Once again you speak of minorities like they are a peg below other people, as in you have no faith that they can accomplish things that everyone should be able to. If you have determination and drive you will succeed.

I speak from a statistical position.

The fact is class mobility is low and continues to decline.

I don't understand why some hate policies that seek to reverse that trend.

Those policies have been in place for 40 years.

You have just presented a logical argument that those policies have failed miserably.

Causation? I'd lay the blame on other policies, not the one that helps those from disadvantaged backgrounds get better educations.

 

[TierbsHsotBoobs]

People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.

In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.

Once again you speak of minorities like they are a peg below other people, as in you have no faith that they can accomplish things that everyone should be able to. If you have determination and drive you will succeed.

I speak from a statistical position.

The fact is class mobility is low and continues to decline.

I don't understand why some hate policies that seek to reverse that trend.

Those policies have been in place for 40 years.

You have just presented a logical argument that those policies have failed miserably.

Causation? I'd lay the blame on other policies, not the one that helps those from disadvantaged backgrounds get better educations.

What other policies are those?

You're the one who linked affirmative action to lower class mobility, not me.

 

[[Deleted User]]

Lakeside has good AP classes but the rest suck.

I know you're being sarcastic but we don't have AP classes. Everything is an "AP" class.

 

[[Deleted User]]

People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.

In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.

Once again you speak of minorities like they are a peg below other people, as in you have no faith that they can accomplish things that everyone should be able to. If you have determination and drive you will succeed.

I speak from a statistical position.

The fact is class mobility is low and continues to decline.

I don't understand why some hate policies that seek to reverse that trend.

Those policies have been in place for 40 years.

You have just presented a logical argument that those policies have failed miserably.

Causation? I'd lay the blame on other policies, not the one that helps those from disadvantaged backgrounds get better educations.

What other policies are those?

You're the one who linked affirmative action to lower class mobility, not me.

Studies show that the link between family background and future income is especially strong in the US than in other countries. Wealthy families still have better access to education like private schools, or well funded public schools. There are lots of wealthy Midd students that went to Rye HS in Westchester, Darien HS in Connecticut, and other public schools in wealthy areas.

I'd say the misuse of public funds in education and the shitiness of public teachers unions is the biggest hamper.
Public education in America is woeful.

 

[TierbsHsotBoobs]

People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.

In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.

Once again you speak of minorities like they are a peg below other people, as in you have no faith that they can accomplish things that everyone should be able to. If you have determination and drive you will succeed.

I speak from a statistical position.

The fact is class mobility is low and continues to decline.

I don't understand why some hate policies that seek to reverse that trend.

Those policies have been in place for 40 years.

You have just presented a logical argument that those policies have failed miserably.

Causation? I'd lay the blame on other policies, not the one that helps those from disadvantaged backgrounds get better educations.

What other policies are those?

You're the one who linked affirmative action to lower class mobility, not me.

Studies show that the link between family background and future income is especially strong in the US than in other countries. Wealthy families still have better access to education like private schools, or well funded public schools. There are lots of wealthy Midd students that went to Rye HS in Westchester, Darien HS in Connecticut, and other public schools in wealthy areas.

I'd say the misuse of public funds in education and the shitiness of public teachers unions is the biggest hamper.
Public education in America is woeful.

Totally agree. Affirmative action is just a way of distracting from the REAL problems that you've correctly identified.

 

[[Deleted User]]

People coming from poorer areas generally go to high schools that aren't as good as those from more affluent areas.

In Seattle you can look a schools like Garfield, Rainier Beach, Cleveland. These are minority heavy schools. If a kid can do well with that kind of disadvantage I think they deserve a boost in the admissions process.

Once again you speak of minorities like they are a peg below other people, as in you have no faith that they can accomplish things that everyone should be able to. If you have determination and drive you will succeed.

I speak from a statistical position.

The fact is class mobility is low and continues to decline.

I don't understand why some hate policies that seek to reverse that trend.

Those policies have been in place for 40 years.

You have just presented a logical argument that those policies have failed miserably.

Causation? I'd lay the blame on other policies, not the one that helps those from disadvantaged backgrounds get better educations.

What other policies are those?

You're the one who linked affirmative action to lower class mobility, not me.

Studies show that the link between family background and future income is especially strong in the US than in other countries. Wealthy families still have better access to education like private schools, or well funded public schools. There are lots of wealthy Midd students that went to Rye HS in Westchester, Darien HS in Connecticut, and other public schools in wealthy areas.

I'd say the misuse of public funds in education and the shitiness of public teachers unions is the biggest hamper.
Public education in America is woeful.

Totally agree. Affirmative action is just a way of distracting ifrom the REAL problems that you've correctly identified.

It's not the answer to everything but it's not inherently a "bad" law and it's not the reason social mobility is down.

There are much more cynical factors in play.