Would you consider these groups "Heavy Metal"?

Yes (or predecessor to what would become metal)
No, soccer moms might disagree. A great band but only heavy for those looking from the outside in. Rock n roll all the way.
Van Halen is borderline. "Glam Metal" if they are. They are a part of the "pop metal" that drove the heavy sounds and darker tone of other groups resisting "pop-metal" and the assimilation to mainstream media. Whitesnake, guns n' roses, winger...
Definite No for me. Zepp is hard/heavy rock. I'd put them in a similar category to deep purple but less "Metal". They DID have a big influence on what would become metal but I would never put them there as a "metal" band.

In no list of "top metal bands" would you ever see anyone other than Deep Purple which given the success of these bands, you'd expect them to unseat someone like Manowar(who regularly makes top 50 lists but is nothing special).

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So basically football wasn’t invented till 1994 and Metal wasn’t invented until the late 70s and early 1980s with the first Motörhead, Iron Maiden and Metallica records? This is simply not historically accurate. The genre was birthed in 1969 with the first LZ and Sabbath recordings which were a huge departure from the heavy blues rock of Cream, Jeff Beck and Hendrix. Sabbath and Zeppelin may sound quaint in comparison to Metallica but they were heavy as fuck for the time. And the people listeing at the time called it heavy metal.
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Broski, I put Deep Purple down as a yes so Idk why you coming at me like this. Sabbath was the first true "heavy metal" band by most people's reckoning. There are bands that put out records or songs that sounded "Heavy Metal" before that but they were the first to really define the sound and genre consistently which inspired a whole lot of others. As with all things art there's going to be some arbitrary divide where things get a bit messy and reasonable people can disagree about what is this and what is that.
 
Is Iron Maiden “heavy metal?” As a kid viewing their album covers I thought so. As an adult after to listening to many of their concert staples such as “Fear of the Dark,” “Powerslave,” “Hollowed be thy Name,” “When the Wild Blows,” etc. I think they are more epic rock (ala GnR) than heavy/death metal. Maybe years of Rock music have numbed me. Stuff like Slayer, Pantera, GWAR, etc. = heavy metal for sure.
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WTF'd for comparing Iron Maiden to guns n roses. Jesus.
 
Yes (or predecessor to what would become metal)
No, soccer moms might disagree. A great band but only heavy for those looking from the outside in. Rock n roll all the way.
Van Halen is borderline. "Glam Metal" if they are. They are a part of the "pop metal" that drove the heavy sounds and darker tone of other groups resisting "pop-metal" and the assimilation to mainstream media. Whitesnake, guns n' roses, winger...
Definite No for me. Zepp is hard/heavy rock. I'd put them in a similar category to deep purple but less "Metal". They DID have a big influence on what would become metal but I would never put them there as a "metal" band.

In no list of "top metal bands" would you ever see anyone other than Deep Purple which given the success of these bands, you'd expect them to unseat someone like Manowar(who regularly makes top 50 lists but is nothing special).

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So basically football wasn’t invented till 1994 and Metal wasn’t invented until the late 70s and early 1980s with the first Motörhead, Iron Maiden and Metallica records? This is simply not historically accurate. The genre was birthed in 1969 with the first LZ and Sabbath recordings which were a huge departure from the heavy blues rock of Cream, Jeff Beck and Hendrix. Sabbath and Zeppelin may sound quaint in comparison to Metallica but they were heavy as fuck for the time. And the people listeing at the time called it heavy metal.
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Broski, I put Deep Purple down as a yes so Idk why you coming at me like this. Sabbath was the first true "heavy metal" band by most people's reckoning. There are bands that put out records or songs that sounded "Heavy Metal" before that but they were the first to really define the sound and genre consistently which inspired a whole lot of others. As with all things art there's going to be some arbitrary divide where things get a bit messy and reasonable people can disagree about what is this and what is that.
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Sorry Brosiv. Not meaning to come at you.

I posed the question because I find it chinteresting the difference between contemporary half brain metal head opinion as to what vs falls into the genre vs what the rock history books told me growing up. When I listen to songs like Communication Breakdown or Whole Lotta Love I hear the birth of the genre just as much as I do when I listen to the early Sabbath albums. Same with Deep Purple.

 
Sabbath is the progenitor for heavy metal. Zep and Deep Purple were huge influences on several metal bands of the 80s, but Sabbath had a different vibe and edge with their sound - heavy distortion, power chords, and minor keys. These are main staples of heavy metal bands along with palm-muted guitar pedal tones (Metallica made these very popular). Guitar and amp technology made huge strides from the late 60s to the late 80s (thank you digital circuitry), and this has distorted (hardy har har) our perception of the earlier metal bands as metal or not.

 
If you grew up on what would be called pop today but was considered rock back then like the Beatles, Herman's Hermits and the like, where the Rolling Stones were considered edgy and a bit hard core then Black Sabbath would have freaked you out. And your parents.

There is a reason Ozzy is a cultural Icon
 
If you grew up on what would be called pop today but was considered rock back then like the Beatles, Herman's Hermits and the like, where the Rolling Stones were considered edgy and a bit hard core then Black Sabbath would have freaked you out. And your parents.

There is a reason Ozzy is a cultural Icon
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Yes, its because Sharon fucked over everyone involved with Ozzy who wrote all of his shit for him. Tony Iommi is the real icon of Heavy Metal
 
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All 4 Yellow listed definitely inspired metal bands but none should be considered Heavy Metal.

Deep Purple certainly has some heaviness but I'm afraid the use of a keyboard in every song disqualifies them. Sure its been used by Sabbath, Dio and others on some occasion but even Blackmore himself considered them an instrumental jam band who just happened to be able to use lyrics... Not metal

AC/DC uses about 5 chords, no palm muting, sings only about sex. Not enough depressing shit. Love them to death... Not metal.

Zepplin is too blues based, has too many folky sounding tunes. Certainly has elements of heavy... Not metal.

Van Halen is imo the closest, Eddie can be really heavy, has plenty of chunky riffs, super hot rodded solos. Arguably[/b] the most influential guitar player ever, but as much as I love them they have way too many songs with Motown-esque harmonies... Not metal

Also, you're a straight up fag if you dont think Iron Maiden is metal
 
If you grew up on what would be called pop today but was considered rock back then like the Beatles, Herman's Hermits and the like, where the Rolling Stones were considered edgy and a bit hard core then Black Sabbath would have freaked you out. And your parents.

There is a reason Ozzy is a cultural Icon
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Yes, its because Sharon fucked over everyone involved with Ozzy who wrote all of his shit for him. Tony Iommi is the real icon of Heavy Metal
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No

The front man is the front man

The wife took care of her man

Page was 5 times the artist of Plant but Plant made Zeppelin
 
If you grew up on what would be called pop today but was considered rock back then like the Beatles, Herman's Hermits and the like, where the Rolling Stones were considered edgy and a bit hard core then Black Sabbath would have freaked you out. And your parents.

There is a reason Ozzy is a cultural Icon
Click to expand...

Yes, its because Sharon fucked over everyone involved with Ozzy who wrote all of his shit for him. Tony Iommi is the real icon of Heavy Metal
Click to expand...

No

The front man is the front man

The wife took care of her man

Page was 5 times the artist of Plant but Plant made Zeppelin
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You know who Jimmy wanted before Plant @RaceBannon ?
 
If you grew up on what would be called pop today but was considered rock back then like the Beatles, Herman's Hermits and the like, where the Rolling Stones were considered edgy and a bit hard core then Black Sabbath would have freaked you out. And your parents.

There is a reason Ozzy is a cultural Icon
Click to expand...

Yes, its because Sharon fucked over everyone involved with Ozzy who wrote all of his shit for him. Tony Iommi is the real icon of Heavy Metal
Click to expand...

No

The front man is the front man

The wife took care of her man

Page was 5 times the artist of Plant but Plant made Zeppelin
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Oz was a down on his luck, out of a job loser till that gold digging whore marketed the shit out of him. Yes hes a cultural icon, but he was surrounded by smarter and more talented people
 
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If you grew up on what would be called pop today but was considered rock back then like the Beatles, Herman's Hermits and the like, where the Rolling Stones were considered edgy and a bit hard core then Black Sabbath would have freaked you out. And your parents.

There is a reason Ozzy is a cultural Icon
Click to expand...

Yes, its because Sharon fucked over everyone involved with Ozzy who wrote all of his shit for him. Tony Iommi is the real icon of Heavy Metal
Click to expand...

No

The front man is the front man

The wife took care of her man

Page was 5 times the artist of Plant but Plant made Zeppelin
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Oz was a down on his luck, out of a job loser till that gold digging whore marketed the shit out of him. Yes hes a cultural icon, but he was surrounded by smarter and more talented people
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That's pretty normal among the rich and famous.

There's the Gene Simmons' of the world who are smarter than shit and build empires - but mostly the famous are just good at being famous.

See also the thread on the Tug re: Aunt Becky and her $500K fiasco.

Still so hot though....

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If you grew up on what would be called pop today but was considered rock back then like the Beatles, Herman's Hermits and the like, where the Rolling Stones were considered edgy and a bit hard core then Black Sabbath would have freaked you out. And your parents.

There is a reason Ozzy is a cultural Icon
Click to expand...

Yes, its because Sharon fucked over everyone involved with Ozzy who wrote all of his shit for him. Tony Iommi is the real icon of Heavy Metal
Click to expand...

No

The front man is the front man

The wife took care of her man

Page was 5 times the artist of Plant but Plant made Zeppelin
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You know who Jimmy wanted before Plant @RaceBannon ?
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According to my memory, Page inquired about Rod Stewart, Joe Cocker, and Steve Winwood before Plant came along.
 
All 4 Yellow listed definitely inspired metal bands but none should be considered Heavy Metal.

Deep Purple certainly has some heaviness but I'm afraid the use of a keyboard in every song disqualifies them[/b]. Sure its been used by Sabbath, Dio and others on some occasion but even Blackmore himself considered them an instrumental jam band who just happened to be able to use lyrics... Not metal

AC/DC uses about 5 chords, no palm muting, sings only about sex. Not enough depressing shit. Love them to death... Not metal.

Zepplin is too blues based, has too many folky sounding tunes. Certainly has elements of heavy... Not metal.

Van Halen is imo the closest, Eddie can be really heavy, has plenty of chunky riffs, super hot rodded solos. Arguably[/b] the most influential guitar player ever, but as much as I love them they have way too many songs with Motown-esque harmonies... Not metal

Also, you're a straight up fag if you dont think Iron Maiden is metal
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Disagree.
 
Jimmy Page's track record for band mates other than Zeppelin is not that impressive. They looked good on paper but..................
 
All 4 Yellow listed definitely inspired metal bands but none should be considered Heavy Metal.

Deep Purple certainly has some heaviness but I'm afraid the use of a keyboard in every song disqualifies them. Sure its been used by Sabbath, Dio and others on some occasion but even Blackmore himself considered them an instrumental jam band who just happened to be able to use lyrics... Not metal

AC/DC uses about 5 chords, no palm muting, sings only about sex. Not enough depressing shit. Love them to death... Not metal.

Zepplin is too blues based, has too many folky sounding tunes. Certainly has elements of heavy... Not metal.

Van Halen is imo the closest, Eddie can be really heavy, has plenty of chunky riffs, super hot rodded solos. Arguably[/b] the most influential guitar player ever, but as much as I love them they have way too many songs with Motown-esque harmonies... Not metal

Also, you're a straight up fag if you dont think Iron Maiden is metal
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Use of a keyboard most certainly does not disqualify a band from being metal
 
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