Which program - should they win another NT - replace SC or ND on Mt Rushmore?

[RaceBannon]

WSU lost Warren Powers to Missouri

Jackie Sherril to Pitt

Price to Bama

And the dude who lost the 75 Apple Cup built Fresno State

A regular fucking cradle of coaches there

 

[dnc]

Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
3. tOSU - right there with anybody

So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

Bama
USC
tOSU
Oklahoma
Florida
Texas
Florida St
LSU
Michigan
Miami
ND

I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.

At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.

Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.

You just made the entire poont.

WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

hth

Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.

Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

Winners, eventually, win.

 

[RaceBannon]

Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
3. tOSU - right there with anybody

So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

Bama
USC
tOSU
Oklahoma
Florida
Texas
Florida St
LSU
Michigan
Miami
ND

I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.

At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.

Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.

You just made the entire poont.

WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

hth

Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.

Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

Winners, eventually, win.

But wait there is more

Even some schlub coaches at USC like Larry Smith dominated the Pac 10 while losing Rose Bowls and not winning National titles

 

[creepycoug]

Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
3. tOSU - right there with anybody

So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

Bama
USC
tOSU
Oklahoma
Florida
Texas
Florida St
LSU
Michigan
Miami
ND

I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.

At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.

Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.

You just made the entire poont.

WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

hth

Good call on Denny

Oregon State couldn't keep him either

Miami didn't want to keep him

You got that right. I'm not sure there's ever been a coach who won two titles who was less appreciated than Erickson at Miami. Nobody gave him any credit for the titles, and the very minute Miami looking human people were calling for his ass. It's almost like they didn't think an ex-Kewger belonged at Miami in the first place.

 

[RaceBannon]

Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
3. tOSU - right there with anybody

So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

Bama
USC
tOSU
Oklahoma
Florida
Texas
Florida St
LSU
Michigan
Miami
ND

I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.

At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.

Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.

You just made the entire poont.

WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

hth

Good call on Denny

Oregon State couldn't keep him either

Miami didn't want to keep him

You got that right. I'm not sure there's ever been a coach who won two titles who was less appreciated than Erickson at Miami. Nobody gave him any credit for the titles, and the very minute Miami looking human people were calling for his ass. It's almost like they didn't think an ex-Kewger belonged at Miami in the first place.

Alabama didn't even wait for Price to coach a game before they shit canned him

 

[oregonblitzkrieg]

Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
3. tOSU - right there with anybody

So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

Bama
USC
tOSU
Oklahoma
Florida
Texas
Florida St
LSU
Michigan
Miami
ND

I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.

At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.

Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.

You just made the entire poont.

WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

hth

Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.

Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

Winners, eventually, win.

 

[YellowSnow]

Keep toeing the party line doogs. You're making USC proud. Who the fuck puts Notre Dame and USC ahead of two programs that won multiple titles in the BCS era?

People without a vested interest in discrediting football before 1998? I'll give it to you that you are at least consistent in applying your stupid standard.

Totally agree.

1980 or thereabouts is a much better cut-off.

Many experts now say that the Golden Age of College Football was from 1910 to 1920

#Dobie

#63nonlosingstreak

#DominatetheBattleShips

Only Raysissts say that because of no blicks.

I'm sure of it.

All kidding aside, Gloomy got it the fuck done[/i]! Even if there is some shit scheduling peppered in there, that's what everyone did back then, and no losses in 63 tries is pretty remarkable, even controlling for the variables.

Derek will have to chime in here, but the way he was let go as I recall was pretty unceremonious relative to what he accomplished. The guy was nails; no doubt about it.

Suzzzalo was the Gerberding of his time

Suzzalo was such an upper campus, ivory tower fag, that he he came damn close to firing Hiram Conibear. Conibear sold the couch later that year in 1917 in a fruit tree accident.

 

[dnc]

Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
3. tOSU - right there with anybody

So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

Bama
USC
tOSU
Oklahoma
Florida
Texas
Florida St
LSU
Michigan
Miami
ND

I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.

At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.

Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.

You just made the entire poont.

WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

hth

Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.

Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

Winners, eventually, win.

" Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "

 

[RaceBannon]

Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
3. tOSU - right there with anybody

So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

Bama
USC
tOSU
Oklahoma
Florida
Texas
Florida St
LSU
Michigan
Miami
ND

I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.

At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.

Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.

You just made the entire poont.

WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

hth

Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.

Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

Winners, eventually, win.

" Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "

@PatHadenFS ? True?

 

[Gladstone]

I'm just here to jump on the Gloomy Gil bandwagon
http://twitter.com/GladstoneUW/status/1012088827450515456

 

[PurpleJ]

Princeton
Yale
Alabama
Notre Dame
USC

There are 5 spots on Mt. Rushmore now that Trump is the GOAT.

 

[YellowSnow]

Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
3. tOSU - right there with anybody

So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

Bama
USC
tOSU
Oklahoma
Florida
Texas
Florida St
LSU
Michigan
Miami
ND

I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.

At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.

Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.

You just made the entire poont.

WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

hth

Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.

Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

Winners, eventually, win.

" Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "

* All programs are by and large, stupid as fuck. I mean, when you think about it, what school has consistently made good coaching hire and after good coaching hire. Most coaches either suck or are mediocre and there's only a handful of truly elite ones. Even if you follow the Race Bannon philosophy of firing one every 3 years until you get a good one, a school can get on a decades long streak of drawing bad hands. SC with Carroll drew a 2 and 3 of clubs, and then got a straight flush on the flop.

 

[creepycoug]

Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
3. tOSU - right there with anybody

So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

Bama
USC
tOSU
Oklahoma
Florida
Texas
Florida St
LSU
Michigan
Miami
ND

I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.

At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.

Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.

You just made the entire poont.

WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

hth

Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.

Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

Winners, eventually, win.

" Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "

@PatHadenFS ? True?

Ah, where would we? be without Pat Haden.

Love that guy.

 

[creepycoug]

Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
3. tOSU - right there with anybody

So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

Bama
USC
tOSU
Oklahoma
Florida
Texas
Florida St
LSU
Michigan
Miami
ND

I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.

At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.

Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.

You just made the entire poont.

WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

hth

Good call on Denny

Oregon State couldn't keep him either

Miami didn't want to keep him

You got that right. I'm not sure there's ever been a coach who won two titles who was less appreciated than Erickson at Miami. Nobody gave him any credit for the titles, and the very minute Miami looking human people were calling for his ass. It's almost like they didn't think an ex-Kewger belonged at Miami in the first place.

Alabama didn't even wait for Price to coach a game before they shit canned him

That was a banner day for Kewgs everywhere. Not embarrassing at all.

 

[creepycoug]

Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
3. tOSU - right there with anybody

So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

Bama
USC
tOSU
Oklahoma
Florida
Texas
Florida St
LSU
Michigan
Miami
ND

I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.

At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.

Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.

You just made the entire poont.

WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

hth

Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.

Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

Winners, eventually, win.

" Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "

* All programs are by and large, stupid as fuck. I mean, when you think about it, what school has consistently made good coaching hire and after good coaching hire. Most coaches either suck or are mediocre and there's only a handful of truly elite ones. Even if you follow the Race Bannon philosophy of firing one every 3 years until you get a good one, a school can get on a decades long streak of drawing bad hands. SC with Carroll drew a 2 and 3 of clubs, and then got a straight flush on the flop.

Does anyone remember the actual order Pete fell in for SC? It's become exaggerated over the years, but I distinctly remember them making a run for Mike Riley and getting rejected, but I think there were other attempts before they finally settled on Carroll.

It is a head scratcher. One example near and dear to my heart: Al Golden. A guy who took a perennial loser at Temple ... no resources, a YUGE loser tradition, stupid school and program and made something of them. You would think that he would get to Miami and with what he had to work with there become a world beater. He was awful. The guy tried like a mother fucker, but it just didn't work, and they got worse and worse. Classic example right? You fuck up with Shannon, which was somewhat predictable, and then Golden seems like a solid hire.

It's true what you say. There are only a really small handful who win at every stop. You gotta break the bank to keep those guysm.

 

[YellowSnow]

Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
3. tOSU - right there with anybody

So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

Bama
USC
tOSU
Oklahoma
Florida
Texas
Florida St
LSU
Michigan
Miami
ND

I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.

At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.

Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.

You just made the entire poont.

WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

hth

Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.

Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

Winners, eventually, win.

" Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "

* All programs are by and large, stupid as fuck. I mean, when you think about it, what school has consistently made good coaching hire and after good coaching hire. Most coaches either suck or are mediocre and there's only a handful of truly elite ones. Even if you follow the Race Bannon philosophy of firing one every 3 years until you get a good one, a school can get on a decades long streak of drawing bad hands. SC with Carroll drew a 2 and 3 of clubs, and then got a straight flush on the flop.

Does anyone remember the actual order Pete fell in for SC? It's become exaggerated over the years, but I distinctly remember them making a run for Mike Riley and getting rejected, but I think there were other attempts before they finally settled on Carroll.

It is a head scratcher. One example near and dear to my heart: Al Golden. A guy who took a perennial loser at Temple ... no resources, a YUGE loser tradition, stupid school and program and made something of them. You would think that he would get to Miami and with what he had to work with there become a world beater. He was awful. The guy tried like a mother fucker, but it just didn't work, and they got worse and worse. Classic example right? You fuck up with Shannon, which was somewhat predictable, and then Golden seems like a solid hire.

It's true what you say. There are only a really small handful who win at every stop. You gotta break the bank to keep those guysm.

Pete was their 4th choice if I recall correctly.

 

[creepycoug]

Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
3. tOSU - right there with anybody

So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

Bama
USC
tOSU
Oklahoma
Florida
Texas
Florida St
LSU
Michigan
Miami
ND

I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.

At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.

Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.

You just made the entire poont.

WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

hth

Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.

Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

Winners, eventually, win.

" Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "

* All programs are by and large, stupid as fuck. I mean, when you think about it, what school has consistently made good coaching hire and after good coaching hire. Most coaches either suck or are mediocre and there's only a handful of truly elite ones. Even if you follow the Race Bannon philosophy of firing one every 3 years until you get a good one, a school can get on a decades long streak of drawing bad hands. SC with Carroll drew a 2 and 3 of clubs, and then got a straight flush on the flop.

Does anyone remember the actual order Pete fell in for SC? It's become exaggerated over the years, but I distinctly remember them making a run for Mike Riley and getting rejected, but I think there were other attempts before they finally settled on Carroll.

It is a head scratcher. One example near and dear to my heart: Al Golden. A guy who took a perennial loser at Temple ... no resources, a YUGE loser tradition, stupid school and program and made something of them. You would think that he would get to Miami and with what he had to work with there become a world beater. He was awful. The guy tried like a mother fucker, but it just didn't work, and they got worse and worse. Classic example right? You fuck up with Shannon, which was somewhat predictable, and then Golden seems like a solid hire.

It's true what you say. There are only a really small handful who win at every stop. You gotta break the bank to keep those guysm.

Pete was their 4th choice if I recall correctly.

Yeah, something like that. And honestly, at the tim, there was no obvious reason for him to be higher.

 

[YellowSnow]

Let's say UW decides to shut down football and Pete has to find a job. Every school in America offers him, and he decides he doesn't care about anything but winning a title. Where do you think this elite coach is going?

1. Alabama - there's no better place to win
2. USC - We know Pete doesn't want to coach there, but humor me
3. tOSU - right there with anybody

So it's the fourth spot that is up for grabs. I think he's going to Oklahoma 100 years before ND. I'm not sure ND is top 10 in this metric at this point.

Bama
USC
tOSU
Oklahoma
Florida
Texas
Florida St
LSU
Michigan
Miami
ND

I get it, Rushmore is about what you've done, whereas this poast is about what you can do. But these rankings are far more pertinent.

Kill yourself for putting USC in second place.

At a Rushmore school all you need is a good corch. Look at Bammer from 1982- 2008. One great season and that's it.

Thats a quarter century stretch of being a nothing team. A team that goes a quarter century doing nothing, is nothing special on its own merits. All the extra hocus pocus intangibles like 'tradition' are just lipstick on a pig. Bama will go back to being a shit team again after Saban's gone, and they won't be great again until the find the next elite HC. WSU could make Mt. Rushmore with an elite head coach. Maybe Rushmore should have coaches on it instead of teams, since that's what matters most.

You just made the entire poont.

WSU couldn't keep an elite head coach were they to ever hire one. Dennis Erickson was the closest they ever came and he made it two years before moving to an elite program.

hth

Cool, I'm going to go kill myself now for being right.

Coaching is what it's all about, but elite programs attract elite coaches.

That's why Mt. Rushmore matters.

Not saying elite programs only hire elite coaches, don't twist. Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. But they have a huge margin for error. All they have to do is get lucky once a quarter century and they stay at the top.

Winners, eventually, win.

" Elite programs are by and large stupid as fuck. "

* All programs are by and large, stupid as fuck. I mean, when you think about it, what school has consistently made good coaching hire and after good coaching hire. Most coaches either suck or are mediocre and there's only a handful of truly elite ones. Even if you follow the Race Bannon philosophy of firing one every 3 years until you get a good one, a school can get on a decades long streak of drawing bad hands. SC with Carroll drew a 2 and 3 of clubs, and then got a straight flush on the flop.

Does anyone remember the actual order Pete fell in for SC? It's become exaggerated over the years, but I distinctly remember them making a run for Mike Riley and getting rejected, but I think there were other attempts before they finally settled on Carroll.

It is a head scratcher. One example near and dear to my heart: Al Golden. A guy who took a perennial loser at Temple ... no resources, a YUGE loser tradition, stupid school and program and made something of them. You would think that he would get to Miami and with what he had to work with there become a world beater. He was awful. The guy tried like a mother fucker, but it just didn't work, and they got worse and worse. Classic example right? You fuck up with Shannon, which was somewhat predictable, and then Golden seems like a solid hire.

It's true what you say. There are only a really small handful who win at every stop. You gotta break the bank to keep those guysm.

Pete was their 4th choice if I recall correctly.

Yeah, something like that. And honestly, at the tim, there was no obvious reason for him to be higher.

It wasn't Herm Edwards bad, but not far from it.

 

[RaceBannon]

I think USC really wanted Bellotti when they ended up with Pete

 

[creepycoug]

I think USC really wanted Bellotti when they ended up with Pete

Unbelievable.

It's almost like you could randomly pick anyone on this bored to make the HC selection for a major program and that poaster would do not worse than the people making seven figures who actually do it.