Where the Big 10 sees Washington in the pecking order

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

When Penn State played Oregon they looked the part. That game broke them bad
They mastered being the 2nd or 3rd team in the B1G pre expansion.

That was a horrible UCLA skwa they lost to

 

[DerekJohnson]

Penn State completely fucked up and that AD should be fired.
JMU's coach was the play and that guy is moving across the country to UCLA. Born and raised Pennsylvania guy.
Honestly, they should have kept Franklin. Guy was in the final four a year ago.

While I see the logic of your comment, I also remember national media pundits exclaiming "How could Washington fire Jim Lambright when he beat Miami and had a 44-25-1 record?"
But those of us following the program closely could name a dozen reasons.
And I say this while acknowledging that Lambo was always good to me and accommodating, which I appreciated. But the truth is the truth.

 

[Fire_Marshall_Bill]

no harm no foul , Also, Iowa has the infrastructure and beef that Washington has never shown to be capable of.

lol

 

[EwaDawg]

I was talking to a couple buddies of mine, who went to Mich St. and Wisconsin respectively and we were discussing how the pecking order will shape out going forward in to the future. Let me preface this by saying that this is not a commentary on Washington as a program in an of itself, I like them dawgs, but of how you all stack up in the BIG10.
First of all this is how I see the conference faring on average going forward:
Ohio St
Oregon
Mich
Penn St
USC
Indiana
Iowa
Washington
Wisconsin
Michigan St.
Illinois
UCLA
Nebraska
Rutgers
Maryland
Minnesota
Purdue
Northwestern
This is the list that we came up with after a lot of deliberating. Basically both UWs are comps to each other both in outlook and typical finish in conference. Both have popped up in stretches but in this new era of college football, both are destined for the middle of the pack but for different reasons. For Wisconsin, they will never attract top end talent due to their NIL situation and their geography. Yes they have home grown talent in the past but those players will be poached long before Wisconsin gets to enjoy the fruits of their labor. For Washington, as far as I can see their NIL and collective is OK, not great. This keeps them in the running for a great player or two in the transfer portal. The issue is that the top tier of our conference is going to add multiple great players to supplement the home grown talent they keep. For Washington, they have history, BUT, that no longer matters once you have the money to buy a team like Oregon, Ohio St, or Michigan. This era is just about the money, period. West coast teams will always struggle in the Big10 because top lineman talent on the west coast will always be poached by big spenders elsewhere. Oregon is the exception because they can win the bidding wars for them. The local linemen in the midwest will mostly opt to stay closer to home. Washington has not shown that they can do this. Without quality linemen, the west coast teams will continue to be pushed around leading to mediocre seasons.
This is where Washington is, a team struggling to find its identity in a world where history and tradition no longer matter in the face to big spending. You can see this in the recent valuation that came out of the proposed private equity deal that is now dead. An independent entity valued Washington this way based on their forward looking factors. So this is independently verified. Both UWs will have to adjust to the new normal as the pecking order is now almost exclusively determined by the player payroll. The problem also is that this leaves UWs out of most playoffs unless they expand past 12 which keeps the cycle down for them. It is not fair and I do miss the history and tradition of the past and I guess now I have appreciate that people like Dave Portnoy are buying my players…..what a trip this is now.

anyway, that is the way I see it.

Take care, and I hope we play again next season, our games are some of the best.

Go Blue!

We(?) are just going to start calling you Arizona 123. Capice?

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

Penn State completely fucked up and that AD should be fired.
JMU's coach was the play and that guy is moving across the country to UCLA. Born and raised Pennsylvania guy.
Honestly, they should have kept Franklin. Guy was in the final four a year ago.

While I see the logic of your comment, I also remember national media pundits exclaiming "How could Washington fire Jim Lambright when he beat Miami and had a 44-25-1 record?"
But those of us following the program closely could name a dozen reasons.
And I say this while acknowledging that Lambo was always good to me and accommodating, which I appreciated. But the truth is the truth.

The DAWGS stole the Colorado coach and had a plan A that worked

Penn State appears to have gone down the alphabet whifffing, and are now on plan AA

 

[DerekJohnson]

Penn State completely fucked up and that AD should be fired.
JMU's coach was the play and that guy is moving across the country to UCLA. Born and raised Pennsylvania guy.
Honestly, they should have kept Franklin. Guy was in the final four a year ago.

While I see the logic of your comment, I also remember national media pundits exclaiming "How could Washington fire Jim Lambright when he beat Miami and had a 44-25-1 record?"
But those of us following the program closely could name a dozen reasons.
And I say this while acknowledging that Lambo was always good to me and accommodating, which I appreciated. But the truth is the truth.

The DAWGS stole the Colorado coach and had a plan A that worked

Penn State appears to have gone down the alphabet whifffing, and are now on plan AA

You could argue that the Plan A worked (We won a Rose Bowl) or that it was a failure (Neuhiesel at the time of his firing had us on an alarming downward trajectory).

 

[WoolleyDoog]

When Penn State played Oregon they looked the part. That game broke them bad
They mastered being the 2nd or 3rd team in the B1G pre expansion.

That was a horrible UCLA skwa they lost to

I didn't watch Penn State's games against cupcakes but the media was saying they looked shitty in their first few games. Allar was an all time overrated QB.

 

[RoadDawg55]

When Penn State played Oregon they looked the part. That game broke them bad
They mastered being the 2nd or 3rd team in the B1G pre expansion.

That was a horrible UCLA skwa they lost to

I didn't watch Penn State's games against cupcakes but the media was saying they looked shitty in their first few games. Allar was an all time overrated QB.

Both are true. They have a talented roster and could have had a good season but the offense was broken.

 

[Fire_Marshall_Bill]

5-3 and lost to UCLgAy

What's the big deal?

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

Penn State completely fucked up and that AD should be fired.
JMU's coach was the play and that guy is moving across the country to UCLA. Born and raised Pennsylvania guy.
Honestly, they should have kept Franklin. Guy was in the final four a year ago.

While I see the logic of your comment, I also remember national media pundits exclaiming "How could Washington fire Jim Lambright when he beat Miami and had a 44-25-1 record?"
But those of us following the program closely could name a dozen reasons.
And I say this while acknowledging that Lambo was always good to me and accommodating, which I appreciated. But the truth is the truth.

The DAWGS stole the Colorado coach and had a plan A that worked

Penn State appears to have gone down the alphabet whifffing, and are now on plan AA

You could argue that the Plan A worked (We won a Rose Bowl) or that it was a failure (Neuhiesel at the time of his firing had us on an alarming downward trajectory).

Just referring to the hiring of the preferred candidate

 

[creepycoug]

I mean, other than the UCLA game, which honestly it would seem you would have to try to lose to them, they've been in their games. Disappointing, yes, but they haven't been blown out by anyone except Buck and played Indiana pretty tough. That is not a roster problem.

 

[creepycoug]

I think something is getting lost in translation. You can not compare the era prior to about 2024 and then after. That is why the history of Washington no longer carries weight going forward, neither does Michigan or Ohio St, it is only about money. As for Iowa above Washington it is because of their situational and support advantages that Washington has not shown to have. They also beat them badly in their latest match up.

Football was re-invented in 2024 POTD.
You're incoherent and should go back to the corn board from whence you came.
Imagine wanting to run around the internet to swing your dick about fucking Iowa.

 

[RaceBannon]

The Ucla qb earned his entire NIL against Penn State
That's the game they usually play against Washington

 

[creepycoug]

The Ucla qb earned his entire NIL against Penn State
That's the game they usually play against Washington

They're good for one a year and blew their wad on Pedo and had nothing left for Washington!
It's hard.

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

The Ucla qb earned his entire NIL against Penn State
That's the game they usually play against Washington

The Ucla qb earned his entire NIL against Penn State
That's the game they usually play against Washington

They're good for one a year and blew their wad on Pedo and had nothing left for Washington!
It's hard.

Washingtonhad already ruined Washington's season at that point so ucla had nothing to play for.

 

[creepycoug]

The Ucla qb earned his entire NIL against Penn State
That's the game they usually play against Washington

The Ucla qb earned his entire NIL against Penn State
That's the game they usually play against Washington

They're good for one a year and blew their wad on Pedo and had nothing left for Washington!
It's hard.

Washingtonhad already ruined Washington's season at that point so ucla had nothing to play for.

Good poont, to bring back an old HCH Kim'ism.

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

The Ucla qb earned his entire NIL against Penn State
That's the game they usually play against Washington

The Ucla qb earned his entire NIL against Penn State
That's the game they usually play against Washington

They're good for one a year and blew their wad on Pedo and had nothing left for Washington!
It's hard.

Washingtonhad already ruined Washington's season at that point so ucla had nothing to play for.

Good poont, to bring back an old HCH Kim'ism.

Just Need to schedule UCLA late in the year enough Jedd has already blown a shot at the playoffs.

 

[WoolleyDoog]

The Ucla qb earned his entire NIL against Penn State
That's the game they usually play against Washington

The grease truck driver that Sanchez attacked in Indy was supposed to deliver to UCLA but he couldn't make it because of said attack.

 

[WolverineWillie]

I was talking to a couple buddies of mine, who went to Mich St. and Wisconsin respectively and we were discussing how the pecking order will shape out going forward in to the future. Let me preface this by saying that this is not a commentary on Washington as a program in an of itself, I like them dawgs, but of how you all stack up in the BIG10.
First of all this is how I see the conference faring on average going forward:
Ohio St
Oregon
Mich
Penn St
USC
Indiana
Iowa
Washington
Wisconsin
Michigan St.
Illinois
UCLA
Nebraska
Rutgers
Maryland
Minnesota
Purdue
Northwestern
This is the list that we came up with after a lot of deliberating. Basically both UWs are comps to each other both in outlook and typical finish in conference. Both have popped up in stretches but in this new era of college football, both are destined for the middle of the pack but for different reasons. For Wisconsin, they will never attract top end talent due to their NIL situation and their geography. Yes they have home grown talent in the past but those players will be poached long before Wisconsin gets to enjoy the fruits of their labor. For Washington, as far as I can see their NIL and collective is OK, not great. This keeps them in the running for a great player or two in the transfer portal. The issue is that the top tier of our conference is going to add multiple great players to supplement the home grown talent they keep. For Washington, they have history, BUT, that no longer matters once you have the money to buy a team like Oregon, Ohio St, or Michigan. This era is just about the money, period. West coast teams will always struggle in the Big10 because top lineman talent on the west coast will always be poached by big spenders elsewhere. Oregon is the exception because they can win the bidding wars for them. The local linemen in the midwest will mostly opt to stay closer to home. Washington has not shown that they can do this. Without quality linemen, the west coast teams will continue to be pushed around leading to mediocre seasons.
This is where Washington is, a team struggling to find its identity in a world where history and tradition no longer matter in the face to big spending. You can see this in the recent valuation that came out of the proposed private equity deal that is now dead. An independent entity valued Washington this way based on their forward looking factors. So this is independently verified. Both UWs will have to adjust to the new normal as the pecking order is now almost exclusively determined by the player payroll. The problem also is that this leaves UWs out of most playoffs unless they expand past 12 which keeps the cycle down for them. It is not fair and I do miss the history and tradition of the past and I guess now I have appreciate that people like Dave Portnoy are buying my players…..what a trip this is now.

anyway, that is the way I see it.

Take care, and I hope we play again next season, our games are some of the best.

Go Blue!

We(?) are just going to start calling you Arizona 123. Capice?

my buddy who I referenced who is a Michigan St grad is known in a few circles as the Belarus Bobcat

 

[WolverineWillie]

I think something is getting lost in translation. You can not compare the era prior to about 2024 and then after. That is why the history of Washington no longer carries weight going forward, neither does Michigan or Ohio St, it is only about money. As for Iowa above Washington it is because of their situational and support advantages that Washington has not shown to have. They also beat them badly in their latest match up.

Football was re-invented in 2024 POTD.
You're incoherent and should go back to the corn board from whence you came.
Imagine wanting to run around the internet to swing your dick about fucking Iowa.

in many ways college football fundamentally changed in about 2024, yes that is real.