HeretoBeatmyChest
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He can check out of that play and he made a poor throw. On slants you gotta get the ball out immediately.
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Where is the blame for Russell?
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Russell made a bad throw and Lockette ran a soft, pussy route. The issue is putting them in that position in the first place. Carroll and Bevell deserve the blame.
dnc
New Fish
He couldn't check out of it into a run. He can check out under certain parameters. He can't go against the coaching stuff to run into an 8 man box. He can't check out into another pass because it's the exact pass play they wanted against the man to man defense. I'm not really sure what he could have checked into outside of flat out giving the staff the finger.
He didn't make a great throw but throwing it earlier wasn't the solution, the whole purpose of throwing was to to either score or stop the clock on an incompletion to keep the timeout to run on third and fourth down.
Wilson deserves some blame but he's below Bevel, Caroll, Kearse and Lockette on the list of offenders IMO.
He didn't make a great throw but throwing it earlier wasn't the solution, the whole purpose of throwing was to to either score or stop the clock on an incompletion to keep the timeout to run on third and fourth down.
Wilson deserves some blame but he's below Bevel, Caroll, Kearse and Lockette on the list of offenders IMO.
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HeretoBeatmyChest
New Fish
I agree that Kearse deserves blame but Russell is still the QB and can question the play. Throwing to the middle of the field in that situation, there is a fair chance it gets picked if its not completed. I just think there is more blame to go around then putting it all on Bevell.
greenblood
New Fish
8 problems with the play call.
1) Not giving it to Lynch
2) Not giving it to Lynch
3) Not giving it to Lynch
4) Not giving it to Lynch
5) Not giving it to Lynch
6) No play fake to Lynch? Are you kidding me? New England and about 150 million viewers were guessing Beast Mode up the middle or at worst off tackle. So you don't even give New England that look? Horrible
7) No roll out for Russell? You expand the problem of eliminating Lynch from the play entirely by not giving Wilson a run pass option? Really? I know it takes away half the field, but at least if there isn't anything there he can either run or throw it away.
8) New England stacks the middle preparing for Lynch up the gut, so dumbass sends in a play with the primary target running a slant route into said stack. Genius.
Lets also add that New England was still shell shocked over giving up the miraculous reception part deux.
Seattle had established the running attack
They had 30 seconds left, with a timeout
AND 2ND DOWN!!
Russell made a horrible decision to let the ball go, but it's only his 3rd year. At this point coaches still have to put you in a position to win, and that play call completed voided that. Considering the offense had been below average all season, add this to the mix, and the coordinator needs to fly Delta economy class back home, and his office needs to be cleaned out before he gets back.
1) Not giving it to Lynch
2) Not giving it to Lynch
3) Not giving it to Lynch
4) Not giving it to Lynch
5) Not giving it to Lynch
6) No play fake to Lynch? Are you kidding me? New England and about 150 million viewers were guessing Beast Mode up the middle or at worst off tackle. So you don't even give New England that look? Horrible
7) No roll out for Russell? You expand the problem of eliminating Lynch from the play entirely by not giving Wilson a run pass option? Really? I know it takes away half the field, but at least if there isn't anything there he can either run or throw it away.
8) New England stacks the middle preparing for Lynch up the gut, so dumbass sends in a play with the primary target running a slant route into said stack. Genius.
Lets also add that New England was still shell shocked over giving up the miraculous reception part deux.
Seattle had established the running attack
They had 30 seconds left, with a timeout
AND 2ND DOWN!!
Russell made a horrible decision to let the ball go, but it's only his 3rd year. At this point coaches still have to put you in a position to win, and that play call completed voided that. Considering the offense had been below average all season, add this to the mix, and the coordinator needs to fly Delta economy class back home, and his office needs to be cleaned out before he gets back.
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The options for the play should have been...
A. Give it to Lynch. Fake to Lynch and run with Russell.
B. Fake it to Lynch, and roll Russell out for a run pass option. Run it, dump it for an easy TD, or throw it away.
C. If you insist on being retarded, throw a fade to whoever isn't guarded by Browning or Revis.
D. You are a fucking idiot with an IQ of 30 and throw a slant or an out.
Seattle chose option D.
A. Give it to Lynch. Fake to Lynch and run with Russell.
B. Fake it to Lynch, and roll Russell out for a run pass option. Run it, dump it for an easy TD, or throw it away.
C. If you insist on being retarded, throw a fade to whoever isn't guarded by Browning or Revis.
D. You are a fucking idiot with an IQ of 30 and throw a slant or an out.
Seattle chose option D.
greenblood
New Fish
You're right, which makes this even more messed up. As an offensive playcaller, you are paid to not panic. Now, if Seattle was out of timeouts, I get it. As a coach you need to realize the timeout available.
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SteveInShelton
New Fish
I was thinking this same thing. A fake then roll out to the right made too much sense if they wanted to throw it. It's easy to just throw it away if no one is wide open. A quick slant to a spot is just FS. They didn't give Wilson a chance to hold onto the ball and throw it away if necessary.
HeretoBeatmyChest
New Fish
I was thinking Russell fake it to Lynch and keep it. If they had to pass then do a play action. At least use Lynch as a decoy and keep the ball in Russell's hands.
TierbsHsotBoobs
New Fish
They were rightfully expecting NE to call time out.
TierbsHsotBoobs
New Fish
You don't fucking waste plays in the last minute of the Super Bowl when you're behind.
Fuck.
Tequilla
Active poster
Sometimes you have to give credit to the other guy making a great play ...
Lockette could have run a better route (may have given away the fact that he was running a slant, and Kearse could have perhaps done a better job of setting the pick (but you CAN'T take a penalty there), but Lockette didn't alligator arm that play. He just simply got beat to the spot in the end.
If you look at the view that Wilson had BEFORE he made the throw, everything looked right on the throw. If you want to be a hair critical, you could have argued that maybe it was just a hair to the outside and could have been lower. But let's be honest, if the Pats player doesn't make an incredible break and beat Lockette to the spot, Lockette's got a perfectly placed ball for the TD.
The play call wasn't great for a number of reasons ... and I don't feel like going into why it was so fucktarded.
But I don't think Wilson's throw was all that bad ... sometimes that shit happens in the NFL.
Lockette could have run a better route (may have given away the fact that he was running a slant, and Kearse could have perhaps done a better job of setting the pick (but you CAN'T take a penalty there), but Lockette didn't alligator arm that play. He just simply got beat to the spot in the end.
If you look at the view that Wilson had BEFORE he made the throw, everything looked right on the throw. If you want to be a hair critical, you could have argued that maybe it was just a hair to the outside and could have been lower. But let's be honest, if the Pats player doesn't make an incredible break and beat Lockette to the spot, Lockette's got a perfectly placed ball for the TD.
The play call wasn't great for a number of reasons ... and I don't feel like going into why it was so fucktarded.
But I don't think Wilson's throw was all that bad ... sometimes that shit happens in the NFL.