Where did all the Mora and Jonathan Smith Bashers Go?

Bull shit. Oregon isn't over achieving to win the league. They're the best team with the best talent

The Coker example is a good one. It doesn't mean it will happen. It means it's too early to crown his ass.
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Disagree. UCLA is more talented overall than Oregon, USC's starters are as well. ASU is close to if not equal to Oregon in talent.

We do have a once-in-a-lifetime QB. One that Hellfrood discovered while he was riding the pine as a junior at St. Louis High. Coker was Dennis Erickson with less hair. Once Miami moved to a more competitive (lol) league they fell off the charts, despite continuing to stockpile top player talent.

Currently there are 37 Ducks in the NFL, compared with 46 Canes, and remember that Miami has been an afterthought for the last 12 or so years.

At some poont you have to start giving a coach their wins. Peterman inherited a successful team at Boise, which he pushed to continued success. Helf is on the verge of doing the same at Oregon. 20-3 is pretty damn impressive in a P5 league.
 
AZDuck is kind of going Canard style being so sensitive. All anyone was saying is LIPO. It would be somewhat difficult to completely fuck it up with Mariota at QB. And stop with the bullshit about Helfrich finding Mariota. Sark and UW wanted him pretty badly too.

And you don't have 20-25 talent. It's top 10 with a great system in place. There is a reason you have had a preseason top 5 team the past two seasons.
 
Mariota wanted to be husky, mommy said no way son........you are going to Eugene...
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AZDuck is kind of going Canard style being so sensitive. All anyone was saying is LIPO. It would be somewhat difficult to completely fuck it up with Mariota at QB. And stop with the bullshit about Helfrich finding Mariota. Sark and UW wanted him pretty badly too.

And you don't have 20-25 talent. It's top 10 with a great system in place. There is a reason you have had a preseason top 5 team the past two seasons.
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Let's get something clear, Road Dogger.

I didn't bring up the doog wishful thinking on this thread. And Sark's entire coaching style at Oregon consisted of trying to do what we did and going after recruits that Oregon offered (see, e.g. Tyree and Tyrell Robinson, Tyner, and every other one of our recroots that were hyped as Washington leans on Doogman because Sark told Kim that to generate some "sizzle").

“First and foremost, I have family in Seattle,” Mariota said in a phone interview Tuesday afternoon. “I took an unofficial (visit to the UW campus). I was able to meet all the coaches and meet Coach Sark. That was a really cool experience, honestly. I liked Coach Sark. He was very nice; he was very nice to my family.”

Mariota attended an Oregon camp in summer 2010. (Another relatively unknown quarterback, Johnny Manziel — the future Heisman Trophy winner who was committed to the Ducks at the time — was at the same camp.) After that, Mariota went to the Washington camp in Seattle, where he was formally recruited by then-UW offensive coordinator Doug Nussmeier.

“He was a fantastic player in camp,” Sarkisian said. “He hadn’t started on his high school football team quite yet, so there was some hesitation on our part, quite honestly, in evaluating him.”

Indeed, Mariota didn’t start at Honolulu’s St. Louis High School until his senior season. Oregon offensive coordinator Mark Helfrich, now in his first season as the successor to Chip Kelly as the UO head coach, was one of the first recruiters to discover Mariota before the quarterback’s senior season.
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http://seattletimes.com/html/huskyfootball/2021994096_uwfootball09xml.html

If you can't see that Manziel committing to UO combined with Mariota taking an unofficial to UW after camping at Oregon gave him cause to consider, all the while Sark was probably proposing to him or some shit, I can't help you.

To the extent that Oregon has top 10 talent, the TBS rankings don't bear that out. I do think that our staff is very good at identifying talent and coaching them up, but that doesn't advance your narrative, so whatever, right? UO outperformed its TBS rankings under Bellotti, under Chipper and still under Hellfinch. That data point doesn't help either, now does it?

 
I don't give a fuck about TBS rankings. That's like saying Mariota isn't one of the most talented QB's in the country because he was a 3 star. Freeman is as 5 star as it gets regardless of what he was ranked.

You have been a preseason top 10 team the past two years. That is more relevant to your talent than some fucking rankings of high school players. Helfrich isn't over achieving with 20-25 talent. That's a ridiculously fucking stupid comment. Same with saying ASU, a team that replaced 9 starters on defense last year having equal talent.
 
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I would argue that NFL alumni is a better overall gauge of the kind of talent a program has had. Again, well behind the Miamis and USCs of the world. Also, a lagging indicator.

Preseason rankings are biased and bullshit. You only know how good your team is after they've seen the field.
 
Regarding sling blade, Larry Coker had three very good years at Miami , including a NC, before Miami fell into the crapper. It also helps to have the best Qb in college football as David shaw has found out. Stanford is still decent post luck, but nowhere near what they were. Oregon will still be at least decent, too much talent. well just have to let it play out.
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This is 2014 Doog.

If Hellfrick gets Oregon into the playoff, he will have gone 22-3 over his first two years in the Pac-12 with roughly #20-#25 talent. He's still overachieving if he wins the league. If he doesn't win the Pac-12 with Mariota under center, he should be sliced into bite-sized pieces with an orange chainsaw at the Reser 50 yard line.

Coker had consistently top 5 talent at Miami, and some of the most talented teams ever to play college football. But do you know what really stands out to me about Coker's record at Miami? Here's a clue:

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Maybe Hellfucker sucks but the offense looks as good as I've ever seen it. The defense... well, I've commented on that a few times. If he wins the league he's our guy for the foreseeable future so I will get in line.

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Quooks hate facts:
http://cfbmatrix.com/pac-12-north-projections-2014/
 
So wait, I say Oregon is "top 20-25" talent, and Bartoo says "top 15" and I hate facts?

Bartoo also sez: "The Beavers and Cougars have great coaching"
 
I'll eat crow on Mora, though if he gets plungered again by Oregon in the championship game that will look really bad. Mora did a great job recruiting a ton of talent on that team and I think he has gotten better as the season went on. Earlier this year they played down to the level of their competition way too much. Now they are plungering teams.
 
I still don't like Mora and still think he will fail. He did pull a few wins out of his ass this year to make him look better. I give him those. I could be wrong, but biased on his resume, I don't think he is a good head coach.
 
I still don't like Mora and still think he will fail. He did pull a few wins out of his ass this year to make him look better. I give him those. I could be wrong, but biased on his resume, I don't think he is a good head coach.
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I see UCLA staying in at least the top 10-15 nationally for as long as Moras here. The OL and front seven is emerging as a real strength of the team and the QB coming in next year has way more hype than Hundley ever had. UCLA historically has been a top 20ish program that recruited well but played like a bunch of pussies. Under the Mora they recruit even better and they are one of the TUFFest teams in the p12. Though I admit - to break through to consistent top 10 level they need to get the sloppiness and NFL conservatism out a little bit.

Next two years I think are critical for UW/UO rivalry and North supremacy. Stanford is regressing (and Grantland says Hogan is early NFL bound), Peterson hits that year 3 springboard, and Helfrich tries to prove he's not Larry Coker in the post-Mariota world.

Either way, you miserable fucks will say everything sucks except Alabama and Dantonio, which won't be that interesting.

 
"After UCLA consecutive games and got boat raced by Oregon, even his staunchest HHB supporters abandoned him."

Disagree.
 
Yeah I'm not saying mora is shitty. He just hasn't proven to be elite, and I've seen him shit the bed on GameDay enough to know that won't change.
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Sounds like you're going to need to see a championship.
 
I said Mora Jr. was a solid, but not spectacular coach. I've argued with HHB's for years over the godlike praise they heap upon him. Beating Sark in the Rose Bowl hasn't changed anything. They were preseason top ten anyway.

I wasn't as hard on (huhuh) Smith as some, but like everybody else said: Start doing it against the top 25 teams. That goes for Miley, CP, Quietkowski and the entire program. At least have a prayer for the God damn North on 11/15. I'm not asking the world here. That said, I don't think play calls cost them a bunch of gaymes. The only one I sort of wonder about is AZ St.
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Actually, Mora isn't a JR. He has a different middle name than his dad. I think Jim L Mora is what you were looking for here.
 
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