We've got a WOOF!

11 returning scholarship seniors: Lindquist, Cooper, Eldrenkamp, Wooching, Daniels, Brostek, Turpin, Mathis, King, Beaver, Van Winkle. Cooper will probably bow out before spring ball to get us to that 85 number going into next year.

2 likely NFL early entrants: Budda and SMFJ. Azeem is a fucking man but NFL teams don't draft ILB's high enough for any of them to leave early.

So that's 12 openings for the '17 class without early attrition. I think we can expect some of KJCS, Jomon Dotson, Brandon Lewis, Sean Constantine, etc. to all be on #CouchWatch.
 
Don't hate more for this, but I think Dotson will be a 2016 contributor coming out of Spring. He's the "wait 'til Ivan gets a hold of him" script in practice. Came in at 150 lbs, will start the Fall at 180 with 4.4 speed. On record...hold me accountable.
 
Don't hate more for this, but I think Dotson will be a 2016 contributor coming out of Spring. He's the "wait 'til Ivan gets a hold of him" script in practice. Came in at 150 lbs, will start the Fall at 180 with 4.4 speed. On record...hold me accountable.
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He very well might contribute, we saw good flashes of him in the bowl game. But only reason I think he might be on couch watch is because McGrew might pass him up on the depth chart as the pass catching speed back.
 
The need is two RBs in this class. Weddington and Ahmed? That'd be great.

I'm assuming 17-18 in this class:

3 DB
2 LB
2 DT/NT
1 DE
4 OL
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR/TE
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Would need a bunch of early entries or some very un-Petersen like attrition to get to that number. Not saying it is impossible, but it seems a little high as a baseline estimate.
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Attrition of 7-8 over the next 18 months isn't that high. Some schools need 7 guys to LEAVE in the next 6 months just to fit in their 2015 signees.

Especially considering there has been low attrition the last year or two there are a number of guys in the 2014 and 2015 classes that could leave for greener pastures elsewhere. CP may be a great molder of men but he can't play more than 11 guys at a time. Also SMFJ should go pro and there are a few other guys who could be early entrants with big 2016 seasons.

I would guess 17 right now but wouldn't be surprised if it ends up at 18 or 19.
 
The need is two RBs in this class. Weddington and Ahmed? That'd be great.

I'm assuming 17-18 in this class:

3 DB
2 LB
2 DT/NT
1 DE
4 OL
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR/TE
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Would need a bunch of early entries or some very un-Petersen like attrition to get to that number. Not saying it is impossible, but it seems a little high as a baseline estimate.
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Attrition of 7-8 over the next 18 months isn't that high. Some schools need 7 guys to LEAVE in the next 6 months just to fit in their 2015 signees.

Especially considering there has been low attrition the last year or two there are a number of guys in the 2014 and 2015 classes that could leave for greener pastures elsewhere. CP may be a great molder of men but he can't play more than 11 guys at a time. Also SMFJ should go pro and there are a few other guys who could be early entrants with big 2016 seasons.

I would guess 17 right now but wouldn't be surprised if it ends up at 18 or 19.
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I'd probably project 15-16, but I can't argue with your logic.

Petersen has actually said that he thinks 17-18 is the ideal class size.
 
The need is two RBs in this class. Weddington and Ahmed? That'd be great.

I'm assuming 17-18 in this class:

3 DB
2 LB
2 DT/NT
1 DE
4 OL
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR/TE
Click to expand...

Would need a bunch of early entries or some very un-Petersen like attrition to get to that number. Not saying it is impossible, but it seems a little high as a baseline estimate.
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Attrition of 7-8 over the next 18 months isn't that high. Some schools need 7 guys to LEAVE in the next 6 months just to fit in their 2015 signees.

Especially considering there has been low attrition the last year or two there are a number of guys in the 2014 and 2015 classes that could leave for greener pastures elsewhere. CP may be a great molder of men but he can't play more than 11 guys at a time. Also SMFJ should go pro and there are a few other guys who could be early entrants with big 2016 seasons.

I would guess 17 right now but wouldn't be surprised if it ends up at 18 or 19.
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I'd probably project 15-16, but I can't argue with your logic.

Petersen has actually said that he thinks 17-18 is the ideal class size.
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That is interesting I didn't know he was that specific. It is pretty clear looking at his process from the outside that he highly values class and position balance. I am sure this results in a significant benefit in being able to plan 2-3 years ahead and manage a roster. Especially compared to the way Sark did it.

If you go lower than 17 in a class you risk being super young 3 years down the line unless somehow the entire class manages to become contributors.

Stanford will be a team to watch for a downturn next year due to their 12 person 2013 recruiting class of which only 4 have become significant contributors and one of those is off to the NFL (Hooper.) Good luck replacing Hooper and 3/5 starting OL with freshmen and sophomores not to mention half the defense.
 
The need is two RBs in this class. Weddington and Ahmed? That'd be great.

I'm assuming 17-18 in this class:

3 DB
2 LB
2 DT/NT
1 DE
4 OL
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR/TE
Click to expand...

Would need a bunch of early entries or some very un-Petersen like attrition to get to that number. Not saying it is impossible, but it seems a little high as a baseline estimate.
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Attrition of 7-8 over the next 18 months isn't that high. Some schools need 7 guys to LEAVE in the next 6 months just to fit in their 2015 signees.

Especially considering there has been low attrition the last year or two there are a number of guys in the 2014 and 2015 classes that could leave for greener pastures elsewhere. CP may be a great molder of men but he can't play more than 11 guys at a time. Also SMFJ should go pro and there are a few other guys who could be early entrants with big 2016 seasons.

I would guess 17 right now but wouldn't be surprised if it ends up at 18 or 19.
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I'd probably project 15-16, but I can't argue with your logic.

Petersen has actually said that he thinks 17-18 is the ideal class size.
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That is interesting I didn't know he was that specific.
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Peterman just did simple math. 85 schollies divided by five years (everyone redshirts). Seventeen is ideal with no attrition.

He knows this is not an ideal world.

 
The need is two RBs in this class. Weddington and Ahmed? That'd be great.

I'm assuming 17-18 in this class:

3 DB
2 LB
2 DT/NT
1 DE
4 OL
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR/TE
Click to expand...

Would need a bunch of early entries or some very un-Petersen like attrition to get to that number. Not saying it is impossible, but it seems a little high as a baseline estimate.
Click to expand...

Attrition of 7-8 over the next 18 months isn't that high. Some schools need 7 guys to LEAVE in the next 6 months just to fit in their 2015 signees.

Especially considering there has been low attrition the last year or two there are a number of guys in the 2014 and 2015 classes that could leave for greener pastures elsewhere. CP may be a great molder of men but he can't play more than 11 guys at a time. Also SMFJ should go pro and there are a few other guys who could be early entrants with big 2016 seasons.

I would guess 17 right now but wouldn't be surprised if it ends up at 18 or 19.
Click to expand...

I'd probably project 15-16, but I can't argue with your logic.

Petersen has actually said that he thinks 17-18 is the ideal class size.
Click to expand...

That is interesting I didn't know he was that specific.
Click to expand...

Peterman just did simple math. 85 schollies divided by five years (everyone redshirts). Seventeen is ideal with no attrition.

He knows this is not an ideal world.
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Yeah good point the math actually doesn't work out since not everyone redshirts.

IMO 17 should be the absolute floor and we should aim for 20-21 in most years.
 
The need is two RBs in this class. Weddington and Ahmed? That'd be great.

I'm assuming 17-18 in this class:

3 DB
2 LB
2 DT/NT
1 DE
4 OL
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR/TE
Click to expand...

Would need a bunch of early entries or some very un-Petersen like attrition to get to that number. Not saying it is impossible, but it seems a little high as a baseline estimate.
Click to expand...

Attrition of 7-8 over the next 18 months isn't that high. Some schools need 7 guys to LEAVE in the next 6 months just to fit in their 2015 signees.

Especially considering there has been low attrition the last year or two there are a number of guys in the 2014 and 2015 classes that could leave for greener pastures elsewhere. CP may be a great molder of men but he can't play more than 11 guys at a time. Also SMFJ should go pro and there are a few other guys who could be early entrants with big 2016 seasons.

I would guess 17 right now but wouldn't be surprised if it ends up at 18 or 19.
Click to expand...

I'd probably project 15-16, but I can't argue with your logic.

Petersen has actually said that he thinks 17-18 is the ideal class size.
Click to expand...

That is interesting I didn't know he was that specific.
Click to expand...

Peterman just did simple math. 85 schollies divided by five years (everyone redshirts). Seventeen is ideal with no attrition.

He knows this is not an ideal world.
Click to expand...

Yeah good point the math actually doesn't work out since not everyone redshirts.

IMO 17 should be the absolute floor and we should aim for 20-21 in most years.
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I don't disagree, but I heard Petersen's interview on 710 AM after signing day and he said he actually prefers 17-18 versus 21-22+.

I don't recall his rationale, if he actually described it.

 
He said that 17-20 is ideal in terms of it meaning that your players that you are recruiting are sticking around and developing well and you aren't needing to load up on players.

I think he was talking more in the context of it reflecting that they are targeting the right players if they are in the 17-20 range, more than anything.
 
He said that 17-20 is ideal in terms of it meaning that your players that you are recruiting are sticking around and developing well and you aren't needing to load up on players.

I think he was talking more in the context of it reflecting that they are targeting the right players if they are in the 17-20 range, more than anything.
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Could be. I was only half listening. It just struck me that what I considered a bit on the small side for class size, he considered "ideal".
 
He said that 17-20 is ideal in terms of it meaning that your players that you are recruiting are sticking around and developing well and you aren't needing to load up on players.

I think he was talking more in the context of it reflecting that they are targeting the right players if they are in the 17-20 range, more than anything.
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Could be. I was only half listening. It just struck me that what I considered a bit on the small side for class size, he considered "ideal".
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Probably means he likes to develop his recruits and they contribute as upperclassman, what a novel concept
 
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