Was Jimmy just lazy?

[insinceredawg]

The Dawgman and 247 guys are not holding any punches back now that Jimmy is gone.

I’m shocked at this. Shocked.

Yup. All offseason they were defending the shitty recruiting and mocking any posters that expressed concern. Kim's favorite line was "UW is favored in every game this year but some here are upset about recruiting". It was excuse after excuse ...no visits, covid evaluations are flawed, it's a small class, etc. Now they're acting as if they had been on him this whole time. Fuck those guys.

 

[ntxduck]

The Dawgman and 247 guys are not holding any punches back now that Jimmy is gone.

I’m shocked at this. Shocked.

Yup. All offseason they were defending the shitty recruiting and mocking any posters that expressed concern. Kim's favorite line was "UW is favored in every game this year but some here are upset about recruiting". It was excuse after excuse ...no visits, covid evaluations are flawed, it's a small class, etc. Now they're acting as if they had been on him this whole time. Fuck those guys.

Favored in every game champs 12-0

 

[NEsnake12]

The Dawgman and 247 guys are not holding any punches back now that Jimmy is gone.

I’m shocked at this. Shocked.

Yup. All offseason they were defending the shitty recruiting and mocking any posters that expressed concern. Kim's favorite line was "UW is favored in every game this year but some here are upset about recruiting". It was excuse after excuse ...no visits, covid evaluations are flawed, it's a small class, etc. Now they're acting as if they had been on him this whole time. Fuck those guys.

State sponsored media

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

Who cares? He gone.

 

[FremontTroll]

Something to remember is that the margin for error in football is very small. Every coach of every program was successful at some level but most have to fail in order that a few can succeed.

If Jimmy just had hired an average/normal offensive coordinator then UW would likely be humming along at a decently good clip of 10-3 or so every year and the discussion of Jimmy’s faults would be why can’t he get us to the next level.

The lack of any recruiting success is probably more bizarre than the on field failures since pretty much any new coach can generate excitement initially with promises of their future vision. Jimmy didn’t even get a honeymoon class.

Surely the lack of strong recruiters on staff had something to do with that. At some point this last year I think the rot within the program became obvious to potential recruits sinking them even further.

What an incredibly dumbfuck doog take.

Jimmy's program regressed and failed in every fucking aspect, seriously, what fucking thing did he do well? Because it sure as hell wasn't recruiting, player development, scheme, coaching hires, mental toughness, or fucking winning.

All Jimmy had to do is keep the ship that Pete built cruising and instead he ran it face first into an iceberg @GrandpaSankey could see.

The people who think the difference from 10-3 was just Morris not starting or some shitty OC are a special kind of full fucking retard.

DIAFF.

Where did I say he didn’t fail spectacularly? It’s actually amazing how fast and hard it crashed given the place the program was in when the reigns were handed over.

My point is Jimmy was put into a great position and despite his faults if he hadn’t hired JonDon and simply handed over control of offense to any coordinator with decently modern concept that we would have ended up stuck with Jimmy for a long time as he could have easily put up 10 win seasons (at least 2020/21) without much effort.

The margin between .400 and .700 in the short term is not that large. Plenty of terrible coaches have put up good records you only need to be great to sustain in the long run.

"If Jimmy just had hired an average/normal offensive coordinator then UW would likely be humming along at a decently good clip of 10-3 or so every year"

If you believe this you are a retard. Lake was never going to achieve "10-3 or so every year" even if he had prime Reggie Bush and Lincoln Riley as OC for the rest of his life.

Jimmy Lake was a malignant cancer, not a benign tumor. He actively made those around him worse.

Not forever but for first few years sure. A David Shaw trajectory without the Christian McCaffrey extended run.

 

[Tequilla]

Something to remember is that the margin for error in football is very small. Every coach of every program was successful at some level but most have to fail in order that a few can succeed.

If Jimmy just had hired an average/normal offensive coordinator then UW would likely be humming along at a decently good clip of 10-3 or so every year and the discussion of Jimmy’s faults would be why can’t he get us to the next level.

The lack of any recruiting success is probably more bizarre than the on field failures since pretty much any new coach can generate excitement initially with promises of their future vision. Jimmy didn’t even get a honeymoon class.

Surely the lack of strong recruiters on staff had something to do with that. At some point this last year I think the rot within the program became obvious to potential recruits sinking them even further.

What an incredibly dumbfuck doog take.

Jimmy's program regressed and failed in every fucking aspect, seriously, what fucking thing did he do well? Because it sure as hell wasn't recruiting, player development, scheme, coaching hires, mental toughness, or fucking winning.

All Jimmy had to do is keep the ship that Pete built cruising and instead he ran it face first into an iceberg @GrandpaSankey could see.

The people who think the difference from 10-3 was just Morris not starting or some shitty OC are a special kind of full fucking retard.

DIAFF.

Where did I say he didn’t fail spectacularly? It’s actually amazing how fast and hard it crashed given the place the program was in when the reigns were handed over.

My point is Jimmy was put into a great position and despite his faults if he hadn’t hired JonDon and simply handed over control of offense to any coordinator with decently modern concept that we would have ended up stuck with Jimmy for a long time as he could have easily put up 10 win seasons (at least 2020/21) without much effort.

The margin between .400 and .700 in the short term is not that large. Plenty of terrible coaches have put up good records you only need to be great to sustain in the long run.

I agree that if he hired an average OC they would probably be 9-1 or 8-2 right now. The regression wouldn't have materialized on the field for another 1-2 years similar to Oregon under Helfrich.

Something I've asked myself is, would I have taken 2-3 years of competitive play while the program was heading towards a cliff or swallow the shitty season now in hopes of a new coach turning things around quickly. I'd almost choose the former if it meant a CFP or Rose Bowl appearance vs having no idea what to expect going forward.

Before the season we were asking that very question right?

I think we knew there were signs of rot but hard to predict this much …

You’re right that you always take the P12 title today instead of the future … but there wasn’t a lot of long term hope in Jimmy with the way the trend lines were going before the season

But sitting here today, I’m glad we pulled the trigger as quickly as we did

 

[bananasnblondes]

Doog Fain's take today on Jimmy:

"Everyone in the world knows that Jimmy will immediately get a coordinator job, turn some school into a defensive juggernaut, and be back somewhere as a HC in 3 years."

 

[KrunkJuice]

There was this one guy early on who pointed that out. What was his name?

@Ballz

 

[ChillyDawg]

Jimmy is like your classical millennial with two years of work experience that has mastered their specific job. Thinks because they know how to do the job that they should be running the department and managing people.

Jimmy doesn’t know how to grind or face adversity. We all saw what happened when he lost his shit on national TV. So yes, he’s entitled, delusional and lazy

The Throbber is not the most woke person on the boards - but 'lazy' implies some kind of racial overtone in today's world.

Complacent, lackadaisical, inattentive - probably more socially acceptable. All stemming from the aforementioned arrogance.

Somehow it seems Jimmy bided his time like Eddie Haskell ingratiating himself into the Peterman pysche - all the while with the mindset of "When I'm the head guy, all this bullshit is out the window".

It's hard to fathom otherwise.

Facts, but that tends to go over a lot of folks head.

I find it very believable that it is the intended purpose of this thread though some people just have no self control in this area of human relations. Some people love to hide behind stereotype promoting language then play dumb when called out on it...ignorance is bliss.

 

[RoadDawg55]

Doog Fain's take today on Jimmy:

"Everyone in the world knows that Jimmy will immediately get a coordinator job, turn some school into a defensive juggernaut, and be back somewhere as a HC in 3 years."

If that was the case, why do we give up 250+ on the ground every week?

For anyone that thinks it doesn’t matter, it does. I’ve seen Coker on Twitter post this and some here. It shows a lack of fundamentals (gaps, fits, and mainly tackling). Teams that can’t tackle are never good. Defense that don’t hit hard are never good. The lack of fundamentals and physicality rubs off on the whole team.

 

[CuntWaffle]

Jimmy is like your classical millennial with two years of work experience that has mastered their specific job. Thinks because they know how to do the job that they should be running the department and managing people.

Jimmy doesn’t know how to grind or face adversity. We all saw what happened when he lost his shit on national TV. So yes, he’s entitled, delusional and lazy

The Throbber is not the most woke person on the boards - but 'lazy' implies some kind of racial overtone in today's world.

Complacent, lackadaisical, inattentive - probably more socially acceptable. All stemming from the aforementioned arrogance.

Somehow it seems Jimmy bided his time like Eddie Haskell ingratiating himself into the Peterman pysche - all the while with the mindset of "When I'm the head guy, all this bullshit is out the window".

It's hard to fathom otherwise.

Facts, but that tends to go over a lot of folks head.

I find it very believable that it is the intended purpose of this thread though some people just have no self control in this area of human relations. Some people love to hide behind stereotype promoting language then play dumb when called out on it...ignorance is bliss.

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Lol you nailed it. I created this thread because I couldn’t control my urge to be racist. It’s my Dark Passenger like Dexter.

 

[CFetters_Nacho_Lover]

Heard a rumor that he thought they were cake walk their schedule and that his agent was already throwing his name out there in NFL circles as early as June.

Wow. Just wow.

 

[CFetters_Nacho_Lover]

-Jimmy basically ghosted CP after he took over and scrapped his entire recruiting infrastructure. The firing of Cooper Petagna and promotion of Justin Glenn was just the beginning, a lot of mechanisms and processes in the back end were replaced for no apparent reason.

Hiring a good recruiter is even more important now due to the fact Jimmy did this.

There was an article around 2018 or 2019 about UW using interns to help manage the recruiting process, staying in touch with recruits, escorting them and their families around campus, etc. The process was set up in away that UW stayed in communication with recruits over the course of 2-3 years, developing relationships with them and it sounds like Jimmy pissed it all away.

 

[PurpleThrobber]

Jimmy is like your classical millennial with two years of work experience that has mastered their specific job. Thinks because they know how to do the job that they should be running the department and managing people.

Jimmy doesn’t know how to grind or face adversity. We all saw what happened when he lost his shit on national TV. So yes, he’s entitled, delusional and lazy

The Throbber is not the most woke person on the boards - but 'lazy' implies some kind of racial overtone in today's world.

Complacent, lackadaisical, inattentive - probably more socially acceptable. All stemming from the aforementioned arrogance.

Somehow it seems Jimmy bided his time like Eddie Haskell ingratiating himself into the Peterman pysche - all the while with the mindset of "When I'm the head guy, all this bullshit is out the window".

It's hard to fathom otherwise.

Facts, but that tends to go over a lot of folks head.

I find it very believable that it is the intended purpose of this thread though some people just have no self control in this area of human relations. Some people love to hide behind stereotype promoting language then play dumb when called out on it...ignorance is bliss.

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Lol you nailed it. I created this thread because I couldn’t control my urge to be racist. It’s my Dark Passenger like Dexter.

Let's not be confused. Racial undertones aside, Jimmy may, in fact, have been/is lazy. Lazy still has meaning.

And because of the Dexter reference, you get a nice reward of Harrison's mommy.

 

[GreenRiverGatorz]

Something to remember is that the margin for error in football is very small. Every coach of every program was successful at some level but most have to fail in order that a few can succeed.

If Jimmy just had hired an average/normal offensive coordinator then UW would likely be humming along at a decently good clip of 10-3 or so every year and the discussion of Jimmy’s faults would be why can’t he get us to the next level.

The lack of any recruiting success is probably more bizarre than the on field failures since pretty much any new coach can generate excitement initially with promises of their future vision. Jimmy didn’t even get a honeymoon class.

Surely the lack of strong recruiters on staff had something to do with that. At some point this last year I think the rot within the program became obvious to potential recruits sinking them even further.

What an incredibly dumbfuck doog take.

Jimmy's program regressed and failed in every fucking aspect, seriously, what fucking thing did he do well? Because it sure as hell wasn't recruiting, player development, scheme, coaching hires, mental toughness, or fucking winning.

All Jimmy had to do is keep the ship that Pete built cruising and instead he ran it face first into an iceberg @GrandpaSankey could see.

The people who think the difference from 10-3 was just Morris not starting or some shitty OC are a special kind of full fucking retard.

DIAFF.

Where did I say he didn’t fail spectacularly? It’s actually amazing how fast and hard it crashed given the place the program was in when the reigns were handed over.

My point is Jimmy was put into a great position and despite his faults if he hadn’t hired JonDon and simply handed over control of offense to any coordinator with decently modern concept that we would have ended up stuck with Jimmy for a long time as he could have easily put up 10 win seasons (at least 2020/21) without much effort.

The margin between .400 and .700 in the short term is not that large. Plenty of terrible coaches have put up good records you only need to be great to sustain in the long run.

"If Jimmy just had hired an average/normal offensive coordinator then UW would likely be humming along at a decently good clip of 10-3 or so every year"

If you believe this you are a retard. Lake was never going to achieve "10-3 or so every year" even if he had prime Reggie Bush and Lincoln Riley as OC for the rest of his life.

Jimmy Lake was a malignant cancer, not a benign tumor. He actively made those around him worse.

That's the fucking point. You're making a circular argument that is essentially saying the same thing @FremontTroll is saying. Jimmy Lake was such a malignant cancer that he couldn't even do the bare minimum and coast off of the program that was handed to him, stocked with blue chip recruits and a system of development and recruiting that was proven to work.

Plenty of dumbfuck coaches have taken the reigns of a successful program, enjoyed some easy wins off the coattails of their predecessor, and coasted before things finally started crumbling. Jimmy aggressively undid everything that was given to him and actively made every aspect of the program worse. If he had simply taken the lazy dipshit's way of doing things, and left it all in place, he could've coasted for these first couple of years.

 

[DerekJohnson]

The Dawgman and 247 guys are not holding any punches back now that Jimmy is gone[/b]. @sonics1993 was first and right on all these points when it came to his recruiting approach and why it failed so spectacularly.

-Huff quoted an anonymous in state recruit that said other schools made him feel like a priority while Jimmy made recruits feel like they should be grateful UW is even considering them
-Jimmy basically ghosted CP after he took over and scrapped his entire recruiting infrastructure. The firing of Cooper Petagna and promotion of Justin Glenn was just the beginning, a lot of mechanisms and processes in the back end were replaced for no apparent reason.
-Even before covid hit Jimmy was already lagging in recruiting. Huff said even Cal had 60+ kids on campus for their Junior day in early 2020 while UW had a small group. Once covid hit they just gave up.
-CP was great at pushing the OKG/Built for Life message with class and respect without coming across as elitist or arrogant. Jimmy not so much.

This has always been Kim's M.O.

 

[dnc]

The Dawgman and 247 guys are not holding any punches back now that Jimmy is gone[/b]. @sonics1993 was first and right on all these points when it came to his recruiting approach and why it failed so spectacularly.

-Huff quoted an anonymous in state recruit that said other schools made him feel like a priority while Jimmy made recruits feel like they should be grateful UW is even considering them
-Jimmy basically ghosted CP after he took over and scrapped his entire recruiting infrastructure. The firing of Cooper Petagna and promotion of Justin Glenn was just the beginning, a lot of mechanisms and processes in the back end were replaced for no apparent reason.
-Even before covid hit Jimmy was already lagging in recruiting. Huff said even Cal had 60+ kids on campus for their Junior day in early 2020 while UW had a small group. Once covid hit they just gave up.
-CP was great at pushing the OKG/Built for Life message with class and respect without coming across as elitist or arrogant. Jimmy not so much.

This has always been Kim's M.O.

Not always. Kim couldn't stop fluffing Sark even after he was gone.

 

[creepycoug]

There was this one guy early on who pointed that out. What was his name?

@Ballz

I'm pretty sure @Ballz was on Jimmy's @Ballz from the get-go. If there was a DBU guy, it was @Ballz.

 

[creepycoug]

Something to remember is that the margin for error in football is very small. Every coach of every program was successful at some level but most have to fail in order that a few can succeed.

If Jimmy just had hired an average/normal offensive coordinator then UW would likely be humming along at a decently good clip of 10-3 or so every year and the discussion of Jimmy’s faults would be why can’t he get us to the next level.

The lack of any recruiting success is probably more bizarre than the on field failures since pretty much any new coach can generate excitement initially with promises of their future vision. Jimmy didn’t even get a honeymoon class.

Surely the lack of strong recruiters on staff had something to do with that. At some point this last year I think the rot within the program became obvious to potential recruits sinking them even further.

What an incredibly dumbfuck doog take.

Jimmy's program regressed and failed in every fucking aspect, seriously, what fucking thing did he do well? Because it sure as hell wasn't recruiting, player development, scheme, coaching hires, mental toughness, or fucking winning.

All Jimmy had to do is keep the ship that Pete built cruising and instead he ran it face first into an iceberg @GrandpaSankey could see.

The people who think the difference from 10-3 was just Morris not starting or some shitty OC are a special kind of full fucking retard.

DIAFF.

Where did I say he didn’t fail spectacularly? It’s actually amazing how fast and hard it crashed given the place the program was in when the reigns were handed over.

My point is Jimmy was put into a great position and despite his faults if he hadn’t hired JonDon and simply handed over control of offense to any coordinator with decently modern concept that we would have ended up stuck with Jimmy for a long time as he could have easily put up 10 win seasons (at least 2020/21) without much effort.

The margin between .400 and .700 in the short term is not that large. Plenty of terrible coaches have put up good records you only need to be great to sustain in the long run.

"If Jimmy just had hired an average/normal offensive coordinator then UW would likely be humming along at a decently good clip of 10-3 or so every year"

If you believe this you are a retard. Lake was never going to achieve "10-3 or so every year" even if he had prime Reggie Bush and Lincoln Riley as OC for the rest of his life.

Jimmy Lake was a malignant cancer, not a benign tumor. He actively made those around him worse.

That's the fucking point. You're making a circular argument that is essentially saying the same thing @FremontTroll is saying. Jimmy Lake was such a malignant cancer that he couldn't even do the bare minimum and coast off of the program that was handed to him, stocked with blue chip recruits and a system of development and recruiting that was proven to work.

Plenty of dumbfuck coaches have taken the reigns of a successful program, enjoyed some easy wins off the coattails of their predecessor, and coasted before things finally started crumbling. [/b]Jimmy aggressively undid everything that was given to him and actively made every aspect of the program worse. If he had simply taken the lazy dipshit's way of doing things, and left it all in place, he could've coasted for these first couple of years.

This. I like to point to Dennis Erickson, but it's disingenuous. Although he inherited a juggernaut, he recruited well himself, brought more offensive firepower and was a legitimately good, but not great coach. Denny's problem was always staying power.

But Coker. The more you talk to Miami people from that era, the more you hear that Ed Reed took on more of an adult leadership position on that team than did Coker.

Jimmy is Coker, not Dennis, in my example. Only without the easy wins.

 

[GrundleStiltzkin]

The one assistant I am most looking forward to not being on staff is Will Harris. Absolutely worthless. Just aggressively lazy to not be able to recruit defensive backs after the production we’ve had. Stunning regression by the safeties as well.

Lazy, slack, neglectful and indolent