Tyler Hilinski, dead.

[FremontTroll]

My understanding from what I read is that if you for example report to your doctor suicidal thoughts, they can involuntarily commit you as a danger to yourself. Otherwise the doctor is afraid of getting sued for doing nothing. Depending on the circumstances, you could wind up being "warehoused" somewhere in a room with 50 motherfuckers all depressed. Like that would help! So it seems a huge problem is that the suicidal might not seek help for fear of involunatry commitment. It is one of those ridiculous things in life people are too stupid to fix for fear of legal repercussions.

Not true at all but thanks for spreading misinformation.

Nobody is involuntarily committed unless they have active suicidal ideation and a plan to follow through. Intrusive suicidal thoughts not that unusual and not sufficient to be hospitalized.

Also the laws are very specific on involuntary commitment as a least restrictive option. Populations I work with generally spend one week or less in the hospital.

Right, well, if you have suicidal thoughts that means suicidal ideation and a plan probably. You're hairsplitting. The problem is, from what I read, is that if you report that you could wind up being warehoused until help is available. I saw this in the news in the last couple of years. So, my point is still a valid one that a person in such a state is going to be held back from self reporting for fear of being involuntarily committed. Spin it all you want but that would be how it plays out.

No, I am not hairsplitting. There is a nuanced but very significant difference between active suicidal intent with a plan (and means) to carry out your intent and a passive wish to die. People can live for years with ever present suicidal wishes or fleeting and intrusive thoughts without any intent or plan.

If you want to get educated there are many places you can go. If you want to rely on your memory of something you saw on the news a few years ago then go wild. You are wrong though. People may and do fear reporting suicidal unfortunately but their fears are not valid.

 

[TheHB]

The faux outrage is cute, coming from a bunch of boners who tell everyone to kill themselves every single day.

That's not faux outrage. This is a legitimate real life issue and has affected me and many other people. Most of the shit on here is funny but making fun of someone who committed suicide is over the line for me. Too far.

Was making fun of doogs, not him. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?

You used him as your punchline. Take the loss, edit the comment, and move on. Don't make light of suicide in any way.

Fuck off. The guy was a dickhead for doing that to his family. And I can say that, because I personally know someone who did that. It takes a selfish motherfucker to do that generally.

You need to fuck off. Suicide is not a joke. I know people who have been in that situation. They're not selfish. Jackasses like you are the reason they go there. It's a dark place. You can call it selfish, but you have to understand that they feel that same burn. They're ashamed that that's the choice they feel they have to make. Quit talking like you've been there, done that. Have some fucking empathy. I have friends who have been there and they were the nicest, most selfless people you've ever met. You just don't get it. They feel there is no way out, and they aren't getting taught anything about it. It's hard to get help. People are ashamed. They're basically in a lose-lose situation. Go one way and it just makes it worse, go the other and the same thing happens. There's a reason suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death among teens. Please quit being a dick and have some empathy. Please.

Blaming me is stupid. Blame fucks like Cobain, Cornell and Chester Bennington for glamorizing it. Blame society, where life is cheap. Blame his parents, who probably weren't there for him. Blame mental illness.

Yeah, you need to STFU.

 

[dongman]

The info I see is: In Washington State and many other states, an individual can be involuntarily committed if that person is found to be mentally ill and either “presents a likelihood of serious harm” or is “gravely disabled.”

So that is hopelessly subjective. Personally I think you should retain the right to suicide as a kind of right along with free speech. I mean, don't commit suicide. But I am saying it's your right. A guy playing for Leach might contemplate suicide. Maybe he is afraid of seeking help for fear of involuntary commitment. So he shrugs it off, until one day maybe his girlfriend breaks up, or there is some trigger. My argument here is sound in that it should be easier to seek help with no fear of being locked up.

It’s because of the stigma of being put up in a mental institution. People have to stop being more afraid of what society will think/judge them on for their stay, then potentially killing themselves.

After reading your string of posts I think you should be 5150’d.

 

[ApostleofGrief]

This is what I was remembering, so the situation has improved
http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20140818/NEWS/308189940

 

[FremontTroll]

This is what I was remembering, so the situation has improved
http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20140818/NEWS/308189940

Psychiatric patients is a much broader category than psychiatric patients hospitalized for active suicidal intent.

It gets headlines to highlight patients waiting for weeks in an ED for an inpatient bed and no doubt it is a horrible situation but I haven't seen any proof of suicidal patients being held that long. There are other reasons patients are committed that have different timelines.

 

[ApostleofGrief]

Still, I don't get how anybody objectively figures out 1) if a patient is truly suicidal or one of the infinite nuances you claim there are and the 2) how you'd really prevent somebody, even locking them up, no matter how long. So, there should be no involuntary lockup at all. I rest my case.

 

[TurdBomber]

For fuck sake! Who let the girls from the view in here to discuss at Tequila length suicidal ideations, warning signs and involuntary commitments? The kid killed himself for reasons yet unknown, and you junior psychiatrists are gossiping back and forth about it like your sitting around the coffee table on the set of The View.

When did this site turn so fucking faggy? The guy did himself in, which is too bad. Leave it at that. Fuck.

 

[dongman]

Still, I don't get how anybody objectively figures out 1) if a patient is truly suicidal or one of the infinite nuances you claim there are and the 2) how you'd really prevent somebody, even locking them up, no matter how long. So, there should be no involuntary lockup at all. I rest my case.

Reading your breakdown of mental illness and suicidality, is like reading mosster breakdown an offense.

I would guess you have almost 0 experience with it at all. There are trained professionals who help people with these issues all day, all year. They know the cues, the histories, risk factors in terms of history of abuse, drug use, mental illness etc. Sounds like you fear health care death squads or something.

 

[USMChawk]

For fuck sake! Who let the girls from the view in here to discuss at Tequila length suicidal ideations, warning signs and involuntary commitments? The kid killed himself for reasons yet unknown, and you junior psychiatrists are gossiping back and forth about it like your sitting around the coffee table on the set of The View.

When did this site turn so fucking faggy? The guy did himself in, which is too bad. Leave it at that. Fuck.

It’s the off season.

 

[TurdBomber]

A lot of insurgents on HH need testosterone supplements, obviously. At least get off the soy, wimps.

Derek: When and why did you start courting Huffington Post readers?

 

[WilburHooksHands]

OBK's DoogBot rating is really taking a beating in this thread.

 

[AZDuck]

A lot of insurgents on HH need testosterone supplements, obviously. At least get off the soy, wimps.

Derek: When and why did you start courting Huffington Post readers?

fan site of a Seattle sportz team

@DerekJohnson

already

 

[USMChawk]

nm

 

[Kaepsknee]

The faux outrage is cute, coming from a bunch of boners who tell everyone to kill themselves every single day.

That's not faux outrage. This is a legitimate real life issue and has affected me and many other people. Most of the shit on here is funny but making fun of someone who committed suicide is over the line for me. Too far.

Was making fun of doogs, not him. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?

You used him as your punchline. Take the loss, edit the comment, and move on. Don't make light of suicide in any way.

Fuck off. The guy was a dickhead for doing that to his family. And I can say that, because I personally know someone who did that. It takes a selfish motherfucker to do that generally.

You need to fuck off. Suicide is not a joke. I know people who have been in that situation. They're not selfish. Jackasses like you are the reason they go there. It's a dark place. You can call it selfish, but you have to understand that they feel that same burn. They're ashamed that that's the choice they feel they have to make. Quit talking like you've been there, done that. Have some fucking empathy. I have friends who have been there and they were the nicest, most selfless people you've ever met. You just don't get it. They feel there is no way out, and they aren't getting taught anything about it. It's hard to get help. People are ashamed. They're basically in a lose-lose situation. Go one way and it just makes it worse, go the other and the same thing happens. There's a reason suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death among teens. Please quit being a dick and have some empathy. Please.

In his dickish way, what I think OBK is trying to say is that suicide among the young is at epidemic proportions - and perhaps the way society currently views it and is combating it isn't working.

I am not quite as old as @RaceBannon but, in my youth, I honestly do not recall ANY young person taking their own life though I know it happened very rarely. Over the course of the last couple years, I can count multiple occurrences in which acquaintances were touched by suicide.

I can empathize with the mindset of the deceased - but can't condone the act or somehow hold up the victim as heroic. You said it yourself - "there's a reason suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death among teens". Whatever that reason may be, 'talk to someone' or "call 1-800..." doesn't work and needs examination as to why this is now a somewhat accepted method of solving one's problems.

Disagree... I went to HS in the 80's and there were 3 or 4 at my school alone, in my 4 years. It was a big problem back then.

But none of those were as shocking as this one. No one knows all that's rattling around someone's noggin' but Tyler seemed to be as happy and energetic as you get. No signs of depression. Not sure if He was possibly bi-polar or what has happened. Reading the note won't really bring any peace to anyone but maybe give a little insight.

 

[IPukeOregonGrellow]

The faux outrage is cute, coming from a bunch of boners who tell everyone to kill themselves every single day.

That's not faux outrage. This is a legitimate real life issue and has affected me and many other people. Most of the shit on here is funny but making fun of someone who committed suicide is over the line for me. Too far.

Was making fun of doogs, not him. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?

You used him as your punchline. Take the loss, edit the comment, and move on. Don't make light of suicide in any way.

Fuck off. The guy was a dickhead for doing that to his family. And I can say that, because I personally know someone who did that. It takes a selfish motherfucker to do that generally.

You need to fuck off. Suicide is not a joke. I know people who have been in that situation. They're not selfish. Jackasses like you are the reason they go there. It's a dark place. You can call it selfish, but you have to understand that they feel that same burn. They're ashamed that that's the choice they feel they have to make. Quit talking like you've been there, done that. Have some fucking empathy. I have friends who have been there and they were the nicest, most selfless people you've ever met. You just don't get it. They feel there is no way out, and they aren't getting taught anything about it. It's hard to get help. People are ashamed. They're basically in a lose-lose situation. Go one way and it just makes it worse, go the other and the same thing happens. There's a reason suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death among teens. Please quit being a dick and have some empathy. Please.

Blaming me is stupid. Blame fucks like Cobain, Cornell and Chester Bennington for glamorizing it. Blame society, where life is cheap. Blame his parents, who probably weren't there for him. Blame mental illness.

 

[TierbsHsotBoobs]

The faux outrage is cute, coming from a bunch of boners who tell everyone to kill themselves every single day.

That's not faux outrage. This is a legitimate real life issue and has affected me and many other people. Most of the shit on here is funny but making fun of someone who committed suicide is over the line for me. Too far.

Was making fun of doogs, not him. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?

You used him as your punchline. Take the loss, edit the comment, and move on. Don't make light of suicide in any way.

Fuck off. The guy was a dickhead for doing that to his family. And I can say that, because I personally know someone who did that. It takes a selfish motherfucker to do that generally.

You need to fuck off. Suicide is not a joke. I know people who have been in that situation. They're not selfish. Jackasses like you are the reason they go there. It's a dark place. You can call it selfish, but you have to understand that they feel that same burn. They're ashamed that that's the choice they feel they have to make. Quit talking like you've been there, done that. Have some fucking empathy. I have friends who have been there and they were the nicest, most selfless people you've ever met. You just don't get it. They feel there is no way out, and they aren't getting taught anything about it. It's hard to get help. People are ashamed. They're basically in a lose-lose situation. Go one way and it just makes it worse, go the other and the same thing happens. There's a reason suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death among teens. Please quit being a dick and have some empathy. Please.

In his dickish way, what I think OBK is trying to say is that suicide among the young is at epidemic proportions - and perhaps the way society currently views it and is combating it isn't working.

I am not quite as old as @RaceBannon but, in my youth, I honestly do not recall ANY young person taking their own life though I know it happened very rarely. Over the course of the last couple years, I can count multiple occurrences in which acquaintances were touched by suicide.

I can empathize with the mindset of the deceased - but can't condone the act or somehow hold up the victim as heroic. You said it yourself - "there's a reason suicide is the 2nd leading cause of death among teens". Whatever that reason may be, 'talk to someone' or "call 1-800..." doesn't work and needs examination as to why this is now a somewhat accepted method of solving one's problems.

Despite your anecdotal evidence, suicide rates are down from last century.

Keeping depression in the closet didn't work.

The anecdotal evidence makes sense. When the throbber was growing up we *knew* less people than people know now. We are connected to vastly more people than we used to be thanks to Gore and Zuckerberg. So of course we're going to know more people doing scary shit.

There have been multiple (gratefully) unsuccessful suicide attempts in my family. It sucks ass.

Ts and Ps to the Helsinkis.

People forget UW had to beat him in the Gold Medal Match

 

[BaldwinIV]

Little odd that they sent the cops to check up on him when he didn't show. Why not just send a player or friend?

 

[dnc]

Little odd that they sent the cops to check up on him when he didn't show. Why not just send a player or friend?

Pullman police always trying to keep the cougs down brah

 

[FremontTroll]

A lot of insurgents on HH need testosterone supplements, obviously. At least get off the soy, wimps.

Derek: When and why did you start courting Huffington Post readers?

Yeah because only women and gay men care to know how our brains work. Let's get back to discussing men in tight pants wrestling each other to show how manly we all are.

 

[oregonblitzkrieg]

OBK's DoogBot rating is really taking a beating in this thread.

Disagree. My worst poaster, controversial and anti-rec'd ratings all received a boost from this thread.