Tosh Is Gone

It's either Tosh stays or Wilcox stays. I don't see a scenario where both are on the staff with Petersen bringing his DC over.

So it comes down to who is more valuable? On one hand Pete's new DC/DL coach is considered the best DL coach in the country. Their defenses were better under his watch than Wilcox I believe.

From a salary perspective I'd rather let Wilcox go and keep Tosh for the recruiting aspect. If Petersen thinks that DC is better than Wilcox you have to trust him on that since he's coached with both.

I think from where this roster/coaching staff goes Tosh is more valuable than Wilcox to this staff.

Before the Wilcox fans bash me I do think Wilcox is by far the better coach than Tosh. Far as who is more valuable to this staff? I think really only Tosh due to the recruiting aspect.
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I get what you are saying. The DC at Boise and Wilcox were pretty even until this year. This year, Boise wasn't very good on defense. I don't know how accurate it is, but the DC (Coach K) at Boise is said to be willing to be a position coach. He probably gets paid the same, if not more as a DL coach at UW than being a DC at Boise, so I could see how that would be true.

Lots of factors at play here. I'm not even sure if Coach K was truly even Boise's DC. Gregory was the DC at Cal from 2002-2009 and went to Boise as AHC/LB coach. I would assume he played a large role in coordinating that defense as well.

I think if you have to choose, you have to go with Wilcox because he has proven he can do it at the Pac 12 level, while the Boise DC has not. If Petersen names Coach K the DC, then we should try and retain Tosh as the DL coach and ace recruiter.

 
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It's either Tosh stays or Wilcox stays. I don't see a scenario where both are on the staff with Petersen bringing his DC over.

So it comes down to who is more valuable? On one hand Pete's new DC/DL coach is considered the best DL coach in the country. Their defenses were better under his watch than Wilcox I believe.

From a salary perspective I'd rather let Wilcox go and keep Tosh for the recruiting aspect. If Petersen thinks that DC is better than Wilcox you have to trust him on that since he's coached with both.

I think from where this roster/coaching staff goes Tosh is more valuable than Wilcox to this staff.

Before the Wilcox fans bash me I do think Wilcox is by far the better coach than Tosh. Far as who is more valuable to this staff? I think really only Tosh due to the recruiting aspect.
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I get what you are saying. The DC at Boise and Wilcox were pretty even until this year. This year, Boise wasn't very good on defense. I don't know how accurate it is, but the DC (Coach K) at Boise is said to be willing to be a position coach. He probably gets paid the same, if not more as a DL coach at UW than being a DC at Boise, so I could see how that would be true.

Lots of factors at play here. I'm not even sure if Coach K was truly even Boise's DC. Gregory was the DC at Cal from 2002-2009 and went to Boise as AHC/LB coach. I would assume he played a large role in coordinating that defense as well.

I think if you have to choose, you have to go with Wilcox because he has proven he can do it at the Pac 12 level, while the Boise DC has not. If Petersen names Coach K the DC, then we should try and retain Tosh as the DL coach and ace recruiter.
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I'm assuming Gregory will come over as LB coach as well plus Kwiatkowski(I'm all for abbreviating names but there is only one coach K) on staff either as DC or DL coach that means it's Wilcox or Tosh.

With Petersen, Gregory and Kwiatkowski track record of player development you need the recruiter more than the coach in my opinion. It's also not like Tosh is a bad coach either his DL's were pretty stout.

The only question mark on Petersen is can he recruit the big boys? The blue chip 5 star recruits. I think he needs Tosh to help him on that. Tosh having to sell a recruit to play for Petersen instead of Dude Brah will make his job 1,000 times more easier as well. Tosh on a good coaching staff with the resources we have could bring in some dynamite classes like top 10 classes.

I don't want Wilcox going to USC and ideally in a perfect world he's the head coach at Boise while Tosh remains on our staff.
 
From the fucktards link it sounds like Tosh is more likely to stay. I think Wilcox is probably gone.

Under a guy like Petersen, Tosh could be an even more effective recruiter. Recruits know Petersen will be their for a while whereas Sark was less believable. They better find a spot for him.
 
I agree about Wilcox going to USC. He's a good coach and I think he would do well with the talent down there. I would rather see Sark sweat it out with a guy he hasn't worked with before or do something stupid like make Norton or Seto the DC. It would be best for everyone if Wilcox became the next Boise State coach.
 
I agree about Wilcox going to USC. He's a good coach and I think he would do well with the talent down there. I would rather see Sark sweat it out with a guy he hasn't worked with before or do something stupid like make Norton or Seto the DC. It would be best for everyone if Wilcox became the next Boise State coach.
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I actually think Norton has some talent but it is very telling that Carroll has never made him a DC. Not when Holt bolted before 2009 and again when Bradley bolted.

I would fucking love it if he got so desperate he brought back Nick Holt.

As for Wilcox I think he's a good coach but with a coach like Petersen the only coach on our staff that is a coach we kind of need is Tosh.

I think with Tosh with a real established head coach UW could pull in some top 10 classes and given Petersen's track record you are talking about National Titles when those classes are upper class.
 
I agree about Wilcox going to USC. He's a good coach and I think he would do well with the talent down there. I would rather see Sark sweat it out with a guy he hasn't worked with before or do something stupid like make Norton or Seto the DC. It would be best for everyone if Wilcox became the next Boise State coach.
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I actually think Norton has some talent but it is very telling that Carroll has never made him a DC. Not when Holt bolted before 2009 and again when Bradley bolted.

I would fucking love it if he got so desperate he brought back Nick Holt.

As for Wilcox I think he's a good coach but with a coach like Petersen the only coach on our staff that is a coach we kind of need is Tosh.

I think with Tosh with a real established head coach UW could pull in some top 10 classes and given Petersen's track record you are talking about National Titles when those classes are upper class.
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Might be dooging it a little, but it is fun to think about what Petersen can do with great talent, and Tosh would definitely help to bring in the talent. It sucks next season is so far away.

 
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Definitely agree Time on Tosh's potential under Petersen.

I don't get why some here bag on him. Shaq, Vatuvei, Mathis, Farria, Qualls are directly attributable to him. Four of those guys had SC offers and are from Cali. Thats in one full class and a shortened period. We aren't getting any of those guys without Tosh. And as others noted, the DL played better at the end of the year. His DL's were always good at Cal.

I don't know if he has the credentials for it but maybe they could make Tosh the recruiting coordinator, in addition to his position responsibility. From what Kim said and from the fact that he didn't just bolt for a better program tells you that he is genuine and cares about the kids he recruits and coaches. If he stays he'll probably be here for a while and would have a huge impact.
 
Definitely agree Time on Tosh's potential under Petersen.

I don't get why some here bag on him. Shaq, Vatuvei, Mathis, Farria, Qualls are directly attributable to him. Four of those guys had SC offers and are from Cali. Thats in one full class and a shortened period. We aren't getting any of those guys without Tosh. And as others noted, the DL played better at the end of the year. His DL's were always good at Cal.

I don't know if he has the credentials for it but maybe they could make Tosh the recruiting coordinator, in addition to his position responsibility. From what Kim said and from the fact that he didn't just bolt for a better program tells you that he is genuine and cares about the kids he recruits and coaches. If he stays he'll probably be here for a while and would have a huge impact.
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It's the same reason I thought it was Nuss for sure. We are so well conditioned for shitty news/shitty hires/shitty football it's hard to see any positive in this program because for the most part they gave us nothing the last 10 years.

I actually thought the DL was pretty good and considering we had to start a 3rd string TE at DT tells me about his coaching. Tosh and even Cozzetto got fucked by Sark's lazy recruiting. Now why I think Cozz needs to go is his track record and two of his three big time OL recruits were huge busts(Kohler and Hatchie).

I think Tosh on our staff can do some damage and at the very worst he'll continue to stock pile our DL recruiting.

Petersen is most likely bringing his RB coach/recruiting coordinator with him who lands all his talent in SoCal so having him with Tosh with an established head coach is exciting.

Everyone keeps bringing up how Petersen has never had to face tough teams week in and week out(given 2014 schedule that's debatable). How about the fact Petersen has never had a loaded roster full of 4 and 5 star kids? He finally has that and can finally recruit some big guns for the first time in his career.

I think with our home conference schedule UW could make a run at the Roses in year one. I'm so excited about this hire I seriously can't wait for our home opener September 6th against the defending national champion Eastern Washington Eagles.
 
On one hand Pete's new DC/DL coach is considered the best DL coach in the country.
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I don't know that he deserves "best in the country" remarks but he does have a handful of DL in the league:

http://blogs.idahostatesman.com/heres-a-look-at-the-20-former-boise-state-football-players-in-the-nfl/
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I never said he was the best in the country I said he was considered the best in the country. Some of you need to learn the difference.

Anyways with him on staff and if Petersen can bring in the OL coach(sounds like he's coming unless he's named HC) then I'm very happy.
 
I am leaning towards keeping Tosh, but could pull a LIPO/ WDWHA rather quickly.

Food for thought:

Tosh turned Evan Hudson - a middling TE buried on the depth chart - into a serviceable DL in the last few weeks of fall camp.

Evan also improved from just occupying a blocker through the first half of the season, to actually applying pressure and making plays in the backfield the latter half of the season.

Imagine what he could do with talented DL's like Farris and Mathis after a few years.
 
Petersen needs a Top Notch Salesman. Tosh has been that guy 2 places. Don James had Baird. (He couldn't have possibly kept him around for his coaching abilities.)

Petersen gives us stability that nobody in the conference can argue against, except maybe Riley. Everybody else could be gone tomorrow. Boise hasn't gone head to head with South Central and UCLA. They've developed 2-3 star talent. Managers know that nothing gets done until there's a sale.
 
Definitely agree Time on Tosh's potential under Petersen.

I don't get why some here bag on him. Shaq, Vatuvei, Mathis, Farria, Qualls are directly attributable to him. Four of those guys had SC offers and are from Cali. Thats in one full class and a shortened period. We aren't getting any of those guys without Tosh. And as others noted, the DL played better at the end of the year. His DL's were always good at Cal.

I don't know if he has the credentials for it but maybe they could make Tosh the recruiting coordinator, in addition to his position responsibility. From what Kim said and from the fact that he didn't just bolt for a better program tells you that he is genuine and cares about the kids he recruits and coaches. If he stays he'll probably be here for a while and would have a huge impact.
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Absolutely. Tosh is known as one of the best recruiters in America. Every year the U.S. Army All-American game features recruits that specifically mention Tosh Lupoi. We need to keep him. His recruiting ability combined with Petersen's stability, organization, discipline and player development will be a powerful combination.

kimmy's piece says Tosh will stay "if there is a place for him"???? MAKE A DAMN PLACE FOR HIM!!!!!!!!!
 
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Definitely agree Time on Tosh's potential under Petersen.

I don't get why some here bag on him. Shaq, Vatuvei, Mathis, Farria, Qualls are directly attributable to him. Four of those guys had SC offers and are from Cali. Thats in one full class and a shortened period. We aren't getting any of those guys without Tosh. And as others noted, the DL played better at the end of the year. His DL's were always good at Cal.

I don't know if he has the credentials for it but maybe they could make Tosh the recruiting coordinator, in addition to his position responsibility. From what Kim said and from the fact that he didn't just bolt for a better program tells you that he is genuine and cares about the kids he recruits and coaches. If he stays he'll probably be here for a while and would have a huge impact.
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Absolutely. Tosh is known as one of the best recruiters in America. Every year the U.S. Army All-American game features recruits that specifically mention Tosh Lupoi. We need to keep him. His recruiting ability combined with Petersen's stability, organization, discipline and player development will be a powerful combination.

kimmy's piece says Tosh will stay "if there is a place for him"???? MAKE A DAMN PLACE FOR HIM!!!!!!!!!
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This is Kim saying it. He doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about. Tosh isn't staying for a demotion. You can't just make a place for him. You have to give him what he wants. It might not be possible if Wilcox stays and the Boise DC agrees to be the DL coach. I doubt Tosh stays to be a special teams coach when he can go to USC, be the DL coach, and probably get a raise.

 
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I hear Tosh is going to Oregon

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