The program needs to advance every year

Wilcox is a proven coordinator with success at multiple stops. The UW D struggled against good QB's and can't stop spread offenses but that will happen in due time when the DL has more than 1-2 pac-12 starters out of 4. The defensive staff is quite strong and can recruit. Tosh stole Vatuvei from USC at the last minute in 2012 and last year pulled in a strong class at DL. They already have a commit from a guy Biggins said would be top 50 next year.

Its sacrilege to say but Wilcox is a better college DC than Mora or whoever is at UCLA. True its only one year but UW was ahead of UCLA in all but two defensive stats...sacks and 3rd downs. Mora's D gave up 27+ points in 9 games last year versus 5 for UW. And keep in mind UCLA's offense was near the top of the conference while UW's was near the bottom. With a good offense, UW's D would have fared better. And UCLA didn't play Oregon.

This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one.

I don't need to wait another a year to see what is already obvious....but go ahead flame away and ignore how much worse UCLA's D was than UW's last year.
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Stop sucking Wilcox cox and let it play out. Same rule applies to Wilcox as Sark. Prove it on the field. Ass rapes and 4th quarter collapses mean Wilcox has more to prove. Tosh and Sirmon are great recruiters, everyone says so..

Good day sir.
 
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Wilcox hasn't proved jack shit. Doogs love to bring up the Stanford game but easily forget that they were playing a QB who might has well been blindfolded and throwing lefty. Let us not forget that their WR's dropped like 3 wide open passes for touchdowns. They also seem to forget the EPIC abortion that was the 4th quarter of the WSU game. Doogs just point out Coons made that kick (yes he should have drilled that, great recruiting Sark!) but we should have NEVER been in that position.

The only reason people (and by people I mean doogs) think that Wilcox is this defensive genius is because they compare him to Holt, where he is a slight upgrade.

When he starts consistently holding good teams to 14 points or lower then we can start talking (although I don't see that happening).
 
Wilcox's defenses since he left Boise:
2010, 10th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2011, 7th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2012, 4th in the Pac-12 in total defense, 4th in scoring defense

Dude was lucky to get out of Tennessee when he did and luckier still to go to a place where being in the middle is good enough.
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Wilcox has improved the defenses at every place he's coached (check). I said he was a proven DC, not that he had already built a championship D. He coached at Boise where they have under recruited and under sized guys and he coached at Tennessee which was one of the worst SEC programs at the time. Ironically, 180 degrees opposite Sark, he's had to coach (as a coordinator) entirely on fundamentals and scheme. He was part of victories over Oklahoma and Oregon twice.

Now, since I actually watch the games and follow the program let me help. There was a huge defensive improvement in the first year and across the board at all positions. Meanwhile, since the new D staff arrived recruiting has improved considerably. Guys like Vatuvei, Shaq, Mathis, Qualls, Mathis, Farria, and Kelly were very highly recruited while the 3* star guys compared to the past 3* guys (with offers from WSU and OSU) have much better offer lists. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where good coaching with improved recruiting leads to.
 
"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."

Where is the evidence to back this statement?

The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement.
 
Wilcox's defenses since he left Boise:
2010, 10th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2011, 7th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2012, 4th in the Pac-12 in total defense, 4th in scoring defense

Dude was lucky to get out of Tennessee when he did and luckier still to go to a place where being in the middle is good enough.
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Tennessee fell to dead last in defense without Wilcox in 2012. That should count for something. He's a good defensive coordinator, but good assistants aren't what win teams championships.

 
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Wilcox's defenses since he left Boise:
2010, 10th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2011, 7th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2012, 4th in the Pac-12 in total defense, 4th in scoring defense

Dude was lucky to get out of Tennessee when he did and luckier still to go to a place where being in the middle is good enough.
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Wilcox has improved the defenses at every place he's coached (check). I said he was a proven DC, not that he had already built a championship D. He coached at Boise where they have under recruited and under sized guys and he coached at Tennessee which was one of the worst SEC programs at the time. Ironically, 180 degrees opposite Sark, he's had to coach (as a coordinator) entirely on fundamentals and scheme. He was part of victories over Oklahoma and Oregon twice.

Now, since I actually watch the games and follow the program let me help. There was a huge defensive improvement in the first year and across the board at all positions. Meanwhile, since the new D staff arrived recruiting has improved considerably. Guys like Vatuvei, Shaq, Mathis, Qualls, Mathis, Farria, and Kelly were very highly recruited while the 3* star guys compared to the past 3* guys (with offers from WSU and OSU) have much better offer lists. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where good coaching with improved recruiting leads to.
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Yes, we get it...he is better than Holt..if you want to doog it up and people will pat you on the back there is place you can do that for $9.99. He took UW D from horrible to average in 1 year...just like sark did with the program Great > average. Let it play out.
 
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"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."

Where is the evidence to back this statement?

The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement.
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I gave you the evidence.....coaching (improved D's at every stop-includes Tennessee) plus improved recruiting. Wilcox has never had great talent to work with but with this recruiting staff the D talent in the pipeline is already quite good. If we win 9+ games than the pipeline will grow stronger. I do think this staff if it stays together for another 2 years can build a top 10 defense nationally.
 
"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."

Where is the evidence to back this statement?

The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement.
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I gave you the evidence.....coaching (improved D's at every stop-includes Tennessee) plus improved recruiting. Wilcox has never had great talent to work with but with this recruiting staff the D talent in the pipeline is already quite good. If we win 9+ games than the pipeline will grow stronger. I do think this staff if it stays together for another 2 years can build a top 10 defense nationally.
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Improved recruiting? Everyone says so.
 
"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."

Where is the evidence to back this statement?

The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement.
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I gave you the evidence.....coaching (improved D's at every stop-includes Tennessee) plus improved recruiting. Wilcox has never had great talent to work with but with this recruiting staff the D talent in the pipeline is already quite good. If we win 9+ games than the pipeline will grow stronger. I do think this staff if it stays together for another 2 years can build a top 10 defense nationally.
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The coaching and recruiting is enough to get to the top 20 or so. The recruits aren't top 10 level (nowhere close, in fact) and the coaching is not significantly above average.

Hope this helps.
 
"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."

Where is the evidence to back this statement?

The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement.
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I gave you the evidence.....coaching (improved D's at every stop-includes Tennessee) plus improved recruiting. Wilcox has never had great talent to work with but with this recruiting staff the D talent in the pipeline is already quite good. If we win 9+ games than the pipeline will grow stronger. I do think this staff if it stays together for another 2 years can build a top 10 defense nationally.
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The coaching and recruiting is enough to get to the top 20 or so. The recruits aren't top 10 level (nowhere close, in fact) and the coaching is not significantly above average.

Hope this helps.
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Top 20 would be auce!!!!!
 
"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."

Where is the evidence to back this statement?

The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement.
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I gave you the evidence.....coaching (improved D's at every stop-includes Tennessee) plus improved recruiting. Wilcox has never had great talent to work with but with this recruiting staff the D talent in the pipeline is already quite good. If we win 9+ games than the pipeline will grow stronger. I do think this staff if it stays together for another 2 years can build a top 10 defense nationally.
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The coaching and recruiting is enough to get to the top 20 or so. The recruits aren't top 10 level (nowhere close, in fact) and the coaching is not significantly above average.

Hope this helps.
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So going from over 100th to 34th then to top 20......sounds pretty damn good to me. Not significantly above average? Apparently you'd rather engage in a lemon party then be forced to admit anything factually positive about UW. The D recruits since Tosh & Sirmon arrived are top 15 level. Never said they were top 10, but if UW has tangible improvement this year and next, they should be able to get top 10 recruits on defense.
 
"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."

Where is the evidence to back this statement?

The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement.
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I gave you the evidence.....coaching (improved D's at every stop-includes Tennessee) plus improved recruiting. Wilcox has never had great talent to work with but with this recruiting staff the D talent in the pipeline is already quite good. If we win 9+ games than the pipeline will grow stronger. I do think this staff if it stays together for another 2 years can build a top 10 defense nationally.
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Improved recruiting? Everyone says so.
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The facts say so. Where everyone is wrong is that Sark is not a good recruiter. Yes, on paper the rankings say the classes don't look much different but since Tosh & Sirmon arrived the average stars per player are much higher and the 10-20th best recruits are far far better than they were before.
 
UW didn't have 100th place defensive talent in 2011, just like it didn't have 0-12 talent in 2008.

Your scenario seems like something that happens if everything goes right. It's possible, but not very realistic. If Wilcox was THAT good, his defenses at Tennessee wouldn't have been so bad.
 
Too many people are point to the defensive improvement as their reason for hope. Problem is the best defensive games came against teams playing with struggling QBs.

I think Wilcox has potential, but even his D has not proven it can even SLOW down the spread attacks.

And that is a scary thoughts with the offensive minded coaches in this league.
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Yes like fans were quick to praise Holt and his defense for playing "great" down the stretch in 2010. For those who remember we faced a ton of backup QB's during that "magical" 4 game win streak.

Just like this past year we faced some downright shitty ass QB's. Whenever we faced a decent(not great) QB he typically had his way with our defense. Every team ran the ball on us even Portland State.

We still gave up some ugly numbers to Oregon, LSU and Arizona. Why I'm going to "let it play out" before I praise Wilcox as the savior.
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WHAT??!!! I was hearing he should be the head coach. Plus he did miracles at BSU and Tennessee.

I've had the debate many times. Please stop with the Wilcox is the "greatest coach in America" shit. Maybe he is, maybe not. Yes, the D improved. And yes they took it up the ass in several games as well. I'm not going to go all Passion and say he needs to win a Championship before I say he is great coach, but maybe a couple of seasons of improvement and consistency would be nice to see first.
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That's how I feel too. Although with our fucktarded fans if you don't praise a guy right off the bat then you are a nega who obviously hates the coach. With Wilcox I liked what I saw last year but there was some terrible moments as well. I just want to see how does after a few years before I praise him.

I was stunned when iDawg(RIP) suggested he should be our head coach then Race quickly jumped all over that during their rare Podcast(RIP) appearance.
 
Looks like heretobeatmychest really deserves another 0-12 as he learned nothing from the last one.

Seriously you sound like those Sark fags($75,000) on DM.C after 2009.

We aren't bashing Wilcox but just saying let it play it out. Also comparing him to Holt is like those Sark fags(Another $75,000) claiming Sark is great then comparing him to Ty.
 
UW didn't have 100th place defensive talent in 2011, just like it didn't have 0-12 talent in 2008.

Your scenario seems like something that happens if everything goes right. It's possible, but not very realistic. If Wilcox was THAT good, his defenses at Tennessee wouldn't have been so bad.
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Its a realistic scenario. Wilcox's D's have improved everywhere he's been. He won't be limited by talent like at his last stops and as long as we win 9+ games this year this class will be just as good as last years. The defensive recruits they've brought in are better than the guys they currently have. IDoog is right.

Vatuvei- USC offer
Shaq- top 5 recruit

Mathis- USC, UCLA, Alabama offers
Qualls- USC, UCLA offers
Kelly- UCLA offer
O Brien- UO offer
Constantine- UCLA, UO offer s
Farria- ND offer

Walker- MS, MSst, Ok St, ASU offers
Enwally- UCLA, Cal offers
 
UW didn't have 100th place defensive talent in 2011, just like it didn't have 0-12 talent in 2008.

Your scenario seems like something that happens if everything goes right. It's possible, but not very realistic. If Wilcox was THAT good, his defenses at Tennessee wouldn't have been so bad.
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Its a realistic scenario. Wilcox's D's have improved everywhere he's been. He won't be limited by talent like at his last stops and as long as we win 9+ games this year this class will be just as good as last years. The defensive recruits they've brought in are better than the guys they currently have. IDoog is right.

Vatuvei- USC offer
Shaq- top 5 recruit

Mathis- USC, UCLA, Alabama offers
Qualls- USC, UCLA offers
Kelly- UCLA offer
O Brien- UO offer
Constantine- UCLA, UO offer s
Farria- ND offer

Walker- MS, MSst, Ok St, ASU offers
Enwally- UCLA, Cal offers
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Here's a hint. Recruiting has never been a problem. Even during Ty's era recruiting wasn't awful.

Can these coaches develop the players they have? Is Wilcox basically the Sark of DC which means he puts out some good performances but also lays some eggs.
 
UW didn't have 100th place defensive talent in 2011, just like it didn't have 0-12 talent in 2008.

Your scenario seems like something that happens if everything goes right. It's possible, but not very realistic. If Wilcox was THAT good, his defenses at Tennessee wouldn't have been so bad.
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Its a realistic scenario. Wilcox's D's have improved everywhere he's been. He won't be limited by talent like at his last stops and as long as we win 9+ games this year this class will be just as good as last years. The defensive recruits they've brought in are better than the guys they currently have. IDoog is right.

Vatuvei- USC offer
Shaq- top 5 recruit

Mathis- USC, UCLA, Alabama offers
Qualls- USC, UCLA offers
Kelly- UCLA offer
O Brien- UO offer
Constantine- UCLA, UO offer s
Farria- ND offer

Walker- MS, MSst, Ok St, ASU offers
Enwally- UCLA, Cal offers
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But I was told earlier in this thread that UCLA was terrible on defense...
 
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