The Program & Fanbase Needs to Take a Long Walk for Perspective

RaceBannon said:
Your track record of defending them is embarrassing
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There's 100 instances of a Wayne Tinkle or Lorenzo Romar Contract where a 2 week or two year pop gets a massive deal in terms or years and money that most programs but only ones with the white whale boosters can get out which means your stuck with them, for every one Dabo Sweeney signing where it works out.
 
HFNY said:
Tequilla said:
RaceBannon said:
Your track record of defending them is embarrassing
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Where have I defended the Athletic Department here?
Few were as critical of Jen to the point that many thought I was too harsh on her …
Many claim that Dannen was an ass (he very well may have been) … but I also think that there's a large segment of the Athletic Department that was loyal to Jen and revolted against any kind of change
When Dannen left and they hired Coug Chun I'd argue that that's the definition of a lazy hire and I'm not sure that I've seen anything yet from Chun that suggests he's any less lazy than Jen was
I'll believe that UW is committed to playing in the NIL world when it happens …
I think that when they have the players like they did from 2022 to 2023 they'll pay for it …
I don't think that they understand that paying for recruiting is akin to a company paying for R&D - some will pan out and some won't
There's plenty of low hanging fruit to go after …
But going after what this roster is for this year and trashing Fisch (at this point) ain't the answer
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DeBoer really screwed UW but there's no use in crying over spilled milk. With the 3 returning OL going into the portal soon after DeBoer left, UW returned 0 starters from the 9 positions on the OL / DL from the 2023. How often does that happen?
What's a known unknown is how the NIL game will change once the $22 million cap comes in next year. Fisch and staff have a few holes in the roster to fill (terrible OL, DL, and LB recruiting for the 2021 and 2022 classes) but the appetite to mimic programs that happen to have a school attached (Ohio State, Oregon, Florida State, etc etc) doesn't seem to be strong.
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And for those (including our head coach) who thinks the 22 million dollar salary cap solves NIL it does not it any way shape of form.
NIL will still be part of the game outside the cap.
 
Kingdome_Urinals said:
Tequilla said:
AOG said:
This reminds me of some Gilby era posts
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Easy to say but it doesn't change the reality of the current situation
There's plenty of area to be critical and there's plenty of area to question the differing strategies that UW can take to get back to being a CFP type contender
Ultimately that's the goal is to get back to the level that we were at 12 months ago …
Whatever quick fix there is to get there is going to cost money and only put a band-aid on some of the underlying fundamental problems
The reality is that the program has largely been gutted by some poor recruiting outcomes under the Lake and DeBoer eras … the balance of recruiting successes under DeBoer followed him to Alabama
So you can be like many of the others that only know bitching and moaning …
I'm far more interested in figuring out the right solution and whatever path to that solution is taken allowing it to have the opportunity to be successful.
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You where warning about systemic problems last year while UW stacked 15 wins. Fleenor vibes.
There are ways to win every game.
Fisch has objectively fucked up this year with weird ass play calls.
If Indiana can be hot shit this year, so can UW next year.
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What exactly were the problems that I was warning about last year?
DL not having depth and being at risk to getting run over by a blue blood? We had a really good chance of losing to Texas last year if Sark didn't Sark and I don't think I need to remind what Michigan did to the defense.
I noted that the recruiting by DeBoer was lacking and not necessarily capitalizing on what he had done here to date … looks like that one was pretty much spot on
I noted that we were at risk of special teams flipping a game against us and notably in the punting game … we got away with it last year and it's cost us significantly this year
As for Indiana, that's what happens when you hire a coach early in the process, he's able to bring a bunch of his players from a very successful James Madison program, and reports are that Indiana has spent over $13M in NIL. To the extent that UW is able to spend $13M in NIL then sure that's a reasonable expectation to be a Top 10-15 team.
 
priapism said:
Jimmy Lake and Deboner were terrible recruiters. Both contributed to this bad year. Deboner will get fired next year after Bama misses the playoffs again. Deboner belongs in the Big 12.

I don't like Brennan Carroll's offense. Teams are clogging up the WR routes, because they already know the route that will be run. That's why the passing game is starting to break. Carroll needs to slightly alter the WR routes every game.

Fisch's special teams are absolutely terrible, this is the most obvious sign of a bad HC. This crap needs to be fixed now.
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Don't underestimate the difference of having a QB like Rogers who has a decent but definitely not an above average arm in terms of arm strength … his best asset is his accuracy
He lacks the mobility to cover for the OL issues and the arm strength to fit balls into tight windows that are paramount in the red zone
 
Tequilla said:
AOG said:
This reminds me of some Gilby era posts
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Easy to say but it doesn't change the reality of the current situation
There's plenty of area to be critical and there's plenty of area to question the differing strategies that UW can take to get back to being a CFP type contender
Ultimately that's the goal is to get back to the level that we were at 12 months ago …
Whatever quick fix there is to get there is going to cost money and only put a band-aid on some of the underlying fundamental problems
The reality is that the program has largely been gutted by some poor recruiting outcomes under the Lake and DeBoer eras … the balance of recruiting successes under DeBoer followed him to Alabama
So you can be like many of the others that only know bitching and moaning …
I'm far more interested in figuring out the right solution and whatever path to that solution is taken allowing it to have the opportunity to be successful.
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The only thing missing from all this is the circa 2003 / 2004 chestnut

"Coach X did not throw one block on the line yesterday" where X is Gilby or Fish
 
Fish will get another year, but that's all of this continues… no DJ comparisons forthcoming
 
Finally actually reading Teq's OP, my comments:
I DISAGREE that DeBoer was not staying here long-term when he was hired. I do think he intended to. His wife and daughter didn't want to move anymore and he was getting a big time job after a career of moving around once he got to D-1. The daughter was a serious softball prospect and being able to go to UW appealed to her.
Once he blew past expectations, experienced our athletic department AND had the opportunity to move up to the very top of jobs available he went and took it.
AGREE that this year was going to be rough due to the timing of the coaching changes and the schedule. We're comparing how quick a rebuild can happen at a program to Indiana because we just lost to them, but they had the ability for their staff to work the December portal, which Fisch did not.
Fisch's gameday coaching has me ticked off and I expect him to show some shit there in a hurry, along with showing in season improvement. On this one:
The reality is that what happens with the end of the recruiting season and what we do in the transfer portal is more important than anything that happens over the next 4 games.
If we end up 4-8, which I think is more likely than 6-6 at this point, he is going to have a hell of a time getting the portal guys and regular recruits we need to get back to where we expect to be in 2025.
 
Also, take the gloves off was originally written when, 2008? 2009? It needs an anniversary celebration.
 
whlinder said:
Also, take the gloves off was originally written when, 2008? 2009? It needs an anniversary celebration.
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Great question. I just read through it looking for anything I could reference chronologically and late 2008 is the best I came up with. Let’s call it December 2008 which means we’re coming up on 16 years and that means @RaceBannon is still showing us how not to act and will probably continue to do so for another 80-90 years.
Thanks for showing those of us in a younger generation how not to act in 20-30 years when we are in your shoes.
 
face farter?
Anyway…this isn’t some kind of well kept secret. DeBoer staying was going to require a lot of outside money that the AD wasn’t able to raise. Everyone knew it.
it is what it is.
 
Until UW is able to find its own Phil Knight, it will be a second-fiddle program.
Case closed.
 
TheHB said:
Until UW is able to find its own Phil Knight, it will be a second-fiddle program.
Case closed.
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UW is always a program that has highs and lows. Consistency with the highs is what should be strived for.

A 4-4 effort isn't exactly the apocalypse following the biggest rebuild in the history of the program.

Beat the soft LA schools at home where we play much better. Then BONEM
 
Consistency with the highs will not be achieved without an AD that is funded like a top-tier program's AD should be.
I have no faith that Pat Chun is the person to lead the AD.
I have no faith that Jedd Fisch is good enough to lead the football program.
4-4 may not be the apocalypse, but I'm pretty sure I see Jesus warming up in the bullpen.
 
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