The only good thing about Lake to HC

[dnc]

Yeah, for being a "football school" it is pretty lame that the AD was content to settle for the coach-in-waiting approach with a guy who has never been HC anywhere. Urban Meyer would never come here, but it would've at least shown the fans that the AD is trying hard if they were able to get a meeting or some lines of communication with Team Urban.

Ohio State and Oklahoma are very recent test cases of how successful this "lame" approach is. If you think this program is better than it's 7-5 record and has the infrastructure currently in place to be a top ten team, and I think it does, then hiring internally is the move. Especially when you have a future head coach already in the assistant ranks, which is not the case for most programs. Add in the bonus of freeing up a lot more salary for assistant coaches ($3M for Lake is nothing), and it would be ridiculous for the AD to embark on an outside candidate search.

Oklahoma hired an absolute hot shot coordinator who excels at developing the most important position. tOSU hired a guy who had already been their HC for three games and whose offense dropped 40 on a ranked team in the process.

Day had 5 years experience as a coordinator.

Riley had 7 years experience as a coordinator.

Lake has two years and no one really knows how much control he really had over the defense in those two years.

This is not the same thing, at all.

I find it weird that you're putting so much emphasis on Day's previous OC experience at places like Temple and Boston College, or Riley's OC experience at ECU, as if that made them more ready for the head coaching job than Lake's DB and DC experience. Both Day and Riley had only been at OSU and Oklahoma for two years before getting the head coaching jobs. If anything, Lake's sustained tenure here and much longer tutelage under Petersen would give him an advantage over guys like Day and Riley, who only had brief stints under Urban and Stoops.
It's a crapshoot either way, but I don't buy the implication that Day or Riley were more "ready" for the job at all.

Cool man, agree to disagree.

I certainly hope you end up being right here.

 

[dnc]

I get the idea that the best candidate likely doesn’t just happen to already be at UW.

But in the case of a mostly successful program there are strong considerations to maintaining the culture and continuity.

UW has the talent on the roster. UW doesn’t need an overhaul just a recharge. Lake can keep the best parts of CP’s program while also putting his own stamp on the program.

I think it’s worth rolling the dice on Lake instead of blowing it up.

This is definitely the pro Lake argument.

Hopefully it works out.

 

[GrundleStiltzkin]

I get the idea that the best candidate likely doesn’t just happen to already be at UW.

But in the case of a mostly successful program there are strong considerations to maintaining the culture and continuity.

UW has the talent on the roster. UW doesn’t need an overhaul just a recharge. Lake can keep the best parts of CP’s program while also putting his own stamp on the program.

I think it’s worth rolling the dice on Lake instead of blowing it up.

This is definitely the pro Lake argument.

Hopefully it works out.

Yep, that thinking I can dig.

 

[dnc]

I get the idea that the best candidate likely doesn’t just happen to already be at UW.

But in the case of a mostly successful program there are strong considerations to maintaining the culture and continuity.

UW has the talent on the roster. UW doesn’t need an overhaul just a recharge. Lake can keep the best parts of CP’s program while also putting his own stamp on the program.

I think it’s worth rolling the dice on Lake instead of blowing it up.

This is definitely the pro Lake argument.

Hopefully it works out.

Yep, that thinking I can dig.

I just think it's optimistic to think "Lake can keep the best parts of Pete's program." We don't know that at all. Hopefully Kwat wants to coach here for another ten years. If that's the case this has a much better chance of working out. I'm not optimistic Lake has the stones to make a big time OC hire but if he does I'll be wishing I could delete this thread rather quickly. That would say a whole lot.

 

[GrundleStiltzkin]

I get the idea that the best candidate likely doesn’t just happen to already be at UW.

But in the case of a mostly successful program there are strong considerations to maintaining the culture and continuity.

UW has the talent on the roster. UW doesn’t need an overhaul just a recharge. Lake can keep the best parts of CP’s program while also putting his own stamp on the program.

I think it’s worth rolling the dice on Lake instead of blowing it up.

This is definitely the pro Lake argument.

Hopefully it works out.

Yep, that thinking I can dig.

I just think it's optimistic to think "Lake can keep the best parts of Pete's program." We don't know that at all. Hopefully Kwat wants to coach here for another ten years. If that's the case this has a much better chance of working out. I'm not optimistic Lake has the stones to make a big time OC hire but if he does I'll be wishing I could delete this thread rather quickly. That would say a whole lot.

Jimmy's gonna hire Paul Johnson and completely turn the conference on its head. #60RushesFTW

 

[chuck]

I get the idea that the best candidate likely doesn’t just happen to already be at UW.

But in the case of a mostly successful program there are strong considerations to maintaining the culture and continuity.

UW has the talent on the roster. UW doesn’t need an overhaul just a recharge. Lake can keep the best parts of CP’s program while also putting his own stamp on the program.

I think it’s worth rolling the dice on Lake instead of blowing it up.

I agree with you. Any change short of an Urban Meyer type of hire was going to be a gamble. The status of the program is good, with enough young and incoming talent to be great. Lake was a big part of getting it to that place. Hes a "good" gamble IMO

 

[FremontTroll]

I get the idea that the best candidate likely doesn’t just happen to already be at UW.

But in the case of a mostly successful program there are strong considerations to maintaining the culture and continuity.

UW has the talent on the roster. UW doesn’t need an overhaul just a recharge. Lake can keep the best parts of CP’s program while also putting his own stamp on the program.

I think it’s worth rolling the dice on Lake instead of blowing it up.

This is definitely the pro Lake argument.

Hopefully it works out.

Yep, that thinking I can dig.

I just think it's optimistic to think "Lake can keep the best parts of Pete's program." We don't know that at all. Hopefully Kwat wants to coach here for another ten years. If that's the case this has a much better chance of working out. I'm not optimistic Lake has the stones to make a big time OC hire but if he does I'll be wishing I could delete this thread rather quickly. That would say a whole lot.

Probably. People do err on the side of optimism during such times. It’s easy to envision Lake’s path to success and difficult to foresee the pitfalls.

One other argument I will throw out there though-

Lake has free reign to make the staff changes that CP needed to make but may not have.

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

They made the move. Plenty of reasons why it could succeed and plenty more why it can fail. LIPO.

 

[Neighbor2972]

My biggest concern is that Lake might be too conservative in making changes right after getting the job. If Hamdan, Gregory and Paopao all get let go in the next month my confidence in him will be much higher. This is an extremely important opportunity to get the right staff in place, but it would be very easy for a new coach to just bring everyone back. Please let the dead weight go.
Hard to overstate how important it is to make the right OC hire now.

 

[DawgFader]

Glad Pete didn't stick around and kill the program trying to rekindle the fire, while costing us a coach in waiting like Lake. Jimmy brings the lacking energy, is highly relateable, and knows what works re: Pete's system. The tell will be replacing the coaching staff short comings, i.e finding the right OC in the process, bringing in a guy like Alexander, keeping the class together. 2021 cruitin gonna be special!

 

[Swaye]

Lake can start winning me over by firing Bob Gregory. Tomorrow.

 

[halfbrainmanmolder]

Lake can start winning me over by firing Bob Gregory. Tomorrow.

This.

Honestly, if Coach K stays (I am a bit worried whether he is ready for retirement after Pete) then I am not concerned how much Lake is responsible for our defense last couple of years. There are a lot more important qualities for a HC than being a good game day DC (we have K for that hopefully) -- leadership, motivation, organization skill, identifying the right assistants etc.

 

[RoadTrip]

Where was the program going with Peterson at the helm? He wasn't going to win many more championships with an improving Pac12. A change needed to be made and Lake is likely the best option right now. He gets his 2-3 years and if he avoids losing seasons then possibly more. Were you happy with the direction Peterson was going?

The fuck does this have to do with anything? Are you saying they forced Pete out?

Regardless, yes, I'd rather have Pete as HC than Lake. Obviously Pete doesn't want to do it anymore so c'est la vie. I'd rather do a real coaching search than hand it to over to the best guy on the staff. Our history of settling for the most convenient hire shows it almost never works except perhaps for when they hired Jenn. Though that one is now in doubt too.

My entire poast didnt come through like I intended. It wasn't a response to you and there was more that was supposed to be a response to GRG. I agreed with your response to his disagreement. I'm ok with the change and had issues with Peterson. I understand your ultimate position but think change is a good thing here. Better to get on with it than stick with CP and settle for what we know are his limitations. I like risk and think Lake holds on to the talent the program already has. I think he'll continue to recruit at a high level. A change from outside the program is an unnecessary risk at this time imo.

 

[HuskyHalfBrain]

Lake's success here will depend on his OC hire.

I don't see this team winning 7 games next year with what we have now.

If we win 8, we might go somewhere with him.

 

[BleachedAnusDawg]

My biggest concern is that Lake might be too conservative in making changes right after getting the job. If Hamdan, Gregory and Paopao all get let go in the next month my confidence in him will be much higher. This is an extremely important opportunity to get the right staff in place, but it would be very easy for a new coach to just bring everyone back. Please let the dead weight go.
Hard to overstate how important it is to make the right OC hire now.

The best time to clean house as the new guy in charge is right away. You don't want to wait and allow someone else's hires to undermine your ability to succeed. He should be firing and hiring asap. If he doesn't have a 100 day plan mapped out he is not ready for the job and will fail miserably.

 

[RoadDawg55]

Yeah, for being a "football school" it is pretty lame that the AD was content to settle for the coach-in-waiting approach with a guy who has never been HC anywhere. Urban Meyer would never come here, but it would've at least shown the fans that the AD is trying hard if they were able to get a meeting or some lines of communication with Team Urban.

Ohio State and Oklahoma are very recent test cases of how successful this "lame" approach is. If you think this program is better than it's 7-5 record and has the infrastructure currently in place to be a top ten team, and I think it does, then hiring internally is the move. Especially when you have a future head coach already in the assistant ranks, which is not the case for most programs. Add in the bonus of freeing up a lot more salary for assistant coaches ($3M for Lake is nothing), and it would be ridiculous for the AD to embark on an outside candidate search.

Oklahoma hired an absolute hot shot coordinator who excels at developing the most important position. tOSU hired a guy who had already been their HC for three games and whose offense dropped 40 on a ranked team in the process.

Day had 5 years experience as a coordinator.

Riley had 7 years experience as a coordinator.

Lake has two years and no one really knows how much control he really had over the defense in those two years.

This is not the same thing, at all.

Both those guys turned units that needed improvement to among the very best in the country. Lake took over a defense that was absolutely rolling and it regressed.

I don’t love it. There are some possible benefits. It opens us up to potentially getting certain recruits. The OKG stuff will loosen up a bit.

At the same time, Pete was widely respected and got recruits on his coaching merit himself, which Lake does not currently have. He also held onto his recruits and other than his offense was rock solid as a CEO and forming the program to his identity. Before this year, that was always a huge benefit.

 

[RoadDawg55]

I get the idea that the best candidate likely doesn’t just happen to already be at UW.

But in the case of a mostly successful program there are strong considerations to maintaining the culture and continuity.

UW has the talent on the roster. UW doesn’t need an overhaul just a recharge. Lake can keep the best parts of CP’s program while also putting his own stamp on the program.

I think it’s worth rolling the dice on Lake instead of blowing it up.

Lake should get a quick hook. 3 years or less if he doesn’t win 10+ and there needs to be more than hope that he can win the conference.

He’s not going to a new program and rebuilding it. It’s set up pretty well for him.

 

[Ice_Holmvik]

Where was the program going with Peterson at the helm? He wasn't going to win many more championships with an improving Pac12. A change needed to be made and Lake is likely the best option right now. He gets his 2-3 years and if he avoids losing seasons then possibly more. Were you happy with the direction Peterson was going?

The fuck does this have to do with anything? Are you saying they forced Pete out?

Regardless, yes, I'd rather have Pete as HC than Lake. Obviously Pete doesn't want to do it anymore so c'est la vie. I'd rather do a real coaching search than hand it to over to the best guy on the staff. Our history of settling for the most convenient hire shows it almost never works except perhaps for when they hired Jenn. Though that one is now in doubt too.

Doubting Cohens competence for a hire that hasn't had a chance to prove himself either way is fucking stupid considering her body of work so far.

 

[DerekJohnson]

This has been the plan for 2 plus years. Timing may be sooner but this is a no brainer. I really think Jimmy Lake will be fantastic as HC.

"The dooging here is unbelievable"

 

[Emoterman]

Yeah, for being a "football school" it is pretty lame that the AD was content to settle for the coach-in-waiting approach with a guy who has never been HC anywhere. Urban Meyer would never come here, but it would've at least shown the fans that the AD is trying hard if they were able to get a meeting or some lines of communication with Team Urban.

Ohio State and Oklahoma are very recent test cases of how successful this "lame" approach is. If you think this program is better than it's 7-5 record and has the infrastructure currently in place to be a top ten team, and I think it does, then hiring internally is the move. Especially when you have a future head coach already in the assistant ranks, which is not the case for most programs. Add in the bonus of freeing up a lot more salary for assistant coaches ($3M for Lake is nothing), and it would be ridiculous for the AD to embark on an outside candidate search.

Oklahoma hired an absolute hot shot coordinator who excels at developing the most important position. tOSU hired a guy who had already been their HC for three games and whose offense dropped 40 on a ranked team in the process.

Day had 5 years experience as a coordinator.

Riley had 7 years experience as a coordinator.

Lake has two years and no one really knows how much control he really had over the defense in those two years.

This is not the same thing, at all.

Experience is overrated. Either you've got it or you don't, and it seems like it was the consensus that people think Jimmy has "it."

His leash is super fucking short, but I think we'll see pretty quickly if he's going to not rock the boat or if he's going to take his big dick out and let it swing by making the personnel moves he wants to make.