The listing and debunking of every stupid pro-Romar argument

[Gladstone]

Let's collectively think of every argument and post/debunk them in this thread.

1. The local H.S. talent was down the past few years -- that explains the drop off in wins.


If the program is dependent on elite, NBA-ready H.S. players, then we're in very serious trouble. It's vexing how this argument is trotted out time and time again by Romar apologists. This is a silly argument as 95%+ of NCAA teams are not sitting unopposed in the heart of a city that often produces amazing recruits. Most universities recruit and develop their players from areas outside of their immediate vicinity. The examples are endless. Utah. Gonzaga. Oregon. On and on and on.

Even if the Seattle talent exists in a particular year, there is no guarantee they will sign with UW. Peyton Siva, Josh Smith, Gary Bell, amongst others...Romar misses as much as he hits.

 

[Tequilla]

The crisper response to the above is that you are saying for Romar to be successful he clearly needs better talent ... which speaks right to the next argument against him as not being a good coach from the standpoint of X's and O's, preparation of his team, recognizing in-game situations, etc

 

[SteveInShelton]

He's good for the community.

 

[FreeChavez]

The problem with creating anything rational about why the program could possibly be better w/o romar, or that seattle talent may still go to a local school sans romar, or that we might be able to hire a coach who is actually a good person and can progress the program, or any number of other thoughts fall on deaf ears based on our racism and lack of understanding where the program was pre-romar.

 

[Gladstone]

2. Romar is such a nice guy and a great representative of UW

This should generally be expected of every coach at UW, regardless of what sport it is. Standard, not exception. And to use it in defense against a torrent of losses and poor in-game decisions? Laughable.

 

[bananasnblondes]

My (least) favorite excuse is "Romar has done more for UW basketball than any other coach/UW is not a basketball school/ UW wouldn't be able tofind anyone better". It's the ultimate loser mentality

 

[ThomasFremont]

My (least) favorite excuse is "Romar has done more for UW basketball than any other coach/UW is not a basketball school/ UW wouldn't be able tofind anyone better". It's the ultimate loser mentality

The bold part is technically true.

The problem is that the program has been trending backwards for years now. All his past success is meaningless.

 

[Fire_Marshall_Bill]

who would you get who is better?!?!

Well, ten coaches finished ahead of Washington in the conference alone. I can think of at least four I'd take over him in a heartbeat.

 

[Tequilla]

who would you get who is better?!?!

Well, ten coaches finished ahead of Washington in the conference alone. I can think of at least four I'd take over him in a heartbeat.

Dick Fain used this one this AM ... Mitch called him on it saying that Joe Fan didn't need to have the answer to that question to ask it.

 

[Tequilla]

A local media member (resume includes being known as a Snow Globe, charter member of the can't do any better crowd, and provides play by play for the local WNBA team) pointed out Romar's NCAA record as an argument against under performance in NCAAs - cited the 2010 team and their ability to beat both a 3 and 6 seed as a sign of over performing.

Facts:

2010 team had 3 members of the team in the rotation that have played in the NBA (Pondexter and IT both heavy rotational players)

A 4th future NBA player (CJ Wilcox) redshirted due to the amount of depth at the wing positions on this team

MBA, Elston Turner and Gaddy are playing professionally (MBA in Mexico; Turner/Gaddy in Italy on upper division teams in Serie A).

The '10 team didn't win their FIRST neutral/away game until Game #25 of the season. That was their 8th attempt on the season to accomplish that task.

Won the PAC tournament to earn an 11 seed in the NCAA Tournament.

Without a win in the PAC Tournament, it's very possible that this would have been a team that missed the NCAAs altogether with THAT level of talent.

 

[Fire_Marshall_Bill]

A local media member (resume includes being known as a Snow Globe, charter member of the can't do any better crowd, and provides play by play for the local WNBA team) pointed out Romar's NCAA record as an argument against under performance in NCAAs - cited the 2010 team and their ability to beat both a 3 and 6 seed as a sign of over performing.

Facts:

2010 team had 3 members of the team in the rotation that have played in the NBA (Pondexter and IT both heavy rotational players)

A 4th future NBA player (CJ Wilcox) redshirted due to the amount of depth at the wing positions on this team

MBA, Elston Turner and Gaddy are playing professionally (MBA in Mexico; Turner/Gaddy in Italy on upper division teams in Serie A).

The '10 team didn't win their FIRST neutral/away game until Game #25 of the season. That was their 8th attempt on the season to accomplish that task.

Won the PAC tournament to earn an 11 seed in the NCAA Tournament.

Without a win in the PAC Tournament, it's very possible that this would have been a team that missed the NCAAs altogether with THAT level of talent.

I remember that. I couldn't remember if it was the 2010 or 2011 team but I do remember bitching about it on Fagbook and a Doog chimed in to defend him (he no longer does, but he no longer interacts with me).

Wow an 11 seed. That's pathetic. Back then I still gave Romar the benefit of the doubt because he got to sweet sixteens and such. Didn't we lose to West Virginia or something?

 

[NeGgaPlEaSe]

In Syracuse

 

[TierbsHsotBoobs]

Romar is a classy coach who wins the right way.

 

[unfrozencaveman]

My (least) favorite excuse is "Romar has done more for UW basketball than any other coach/UW is not a basketball school/ UW wouldn't be able tofind anyone better". It's the ultimate loser mentality

The bold part is technically true.

The problem is that the program has been trending backwards for years now. All his past success is meaningless.

Sounds like you've changed your tune...refreshing

 

[ThomasFremont]

My (least) favorite excuse is "Romar has done more for UW basketball than any other coach/UW is not a basketball school/ UW wouldn't be able tofind anyone better". It's the ultimate loser mentality

The bold part is technically true.

The problem is that the program has been trending backwards for years now. All his past success is meaningless.

Sounds like you've changed your tune...refreshing

huh?

I support coach Romar.

 

[Mosster47]

Dana Altman lost three starters way after he could really recruit to do some damage control, was picked to finish 12th and went on to finish 2nd in both the league and league tourney.

In 1,000 chances would LoRo ever pull that off?

 

[Tequilla]

Dana Altman lost three starters way after he could really recruit to do some damage control, was picked to finish 12th and went on to finish 2nd in both the league and league tourney.

In 1,000 chances would LoRo ever pull that off?

No chance in hell

 

[Mosster47]

Dana Altman lost three starters way after he could really recruit to do some damage control, was picked to finish 12th and went on to finish 2nd in both the league and league tourney.

In 1,000 chances would LoRo ever pull that off?

No chance in hell

That's the point. Altman is a great coach of the game of basketball. His recruiting and everything else not directly related to game coaching isn't great. If Altman could recruit like RoLo he'd be at big time school kicking ass.

UW needs to get a great basketball coach, win consistently, and once they are a winner go for the recruiter type.

 

[FreeChavez]

Dana Altman lost three starters way after he could really recruit to do some damage control, was picked to finish 12th and went on to finish 2nd in both the league and league tourney.

In 1,000 chances would LoRo ever pull that off?

No chance in hell

That's the point. Altman is a great coach of the game of basketball. His recruiting and everything else not directly related to game coaching isn't great. If Altman could recruit like RoLo he'd be at big time school kicking ass.

UW needs to get a great basketball coach, win consistently, and once they are a winner go for the recruiter type.

Someone really needs to explain this to me. The last four years romar has recruited awful. On top of that, the vast majority of his successful players came out of his backyard. So are we saying that he was the only reason they picked UW? Are we really trying to argue that almost anyone at UW couldn't have been able to pull in a lot of these seattle kids?

I consider someone a good recruiter when they can adjust to surroundings. Figure out talent is down and go find it. Bring in the majority of your guys make a mark on the program. I'm not saying every player will work out, but 75% of romars guys are failing, not the other way around. It's been years since we had legit 6th, 7th, 8th guys to actually carry a team.

That isn't recruiting.

Hopefully this next season is all the romarloves need. But if it's any indication of how things have gone for half a decade almost, you're going to whining about youth, injuries and transfers by december.

 

[RoadDawg55]

Dana Altman lost three starters way after he could really recruit to do some damage control, was picked to finish 12th and went on to finish 2nd in both the league and league tourney.

In 1,000 chances would LoRo ever pull that off?

No chance in hell

That's the point. Altman is a great coach of the game of basketball. His recruiting and everything else not directly related to game coaching isn't great. If Altman could recruit like RoLo he'd be at big time school kicking ass.

UW needs to get a great basketball coach, win consistently, and once they are a winner go for the recruiter type.

Great coaches make elite 8's and final 4's. Altman is a good coach who had an excellent season. He's far from great. It's not like he's tough either. He's been a head coach for a long time.