The lack of upperclassmen and the transition to Petersen's culture

[claycha]

Like I said, " Who the fuck is Sark"????

 

[HFNY]

The OP is why most rational observers are predicting a 5-7 to 7-5 regular season.

There's no upper level / NFL talent left from the 2011 and 2012 classes except for maybe Dwayne Washington. Josh Perkins may have a slight chance but needs to be playing at closer to 240 lbs so that he can add more in the running game.

I used to be more bullish on Dex Charles he's had problems staying healthy and that's slowed him down.

 

[Fire_Marshall_Bill]

"Just win baby" - Al Davis (fuck the Raiders with a rusty ten foot metal poll though.

 

[TierbsHsotBoobs]

The OP is why most rational observers are predicting a 5-7 to 7-5 regular season.

There's no upper level / NFL talent left from the 2011 and 2012 classes except for maybe Dwayne Washington. Josh Perkins may have a slight chance but needs to be playing at closer to 240 lbs so that he can add more in the running game.

I used to be more bullish on Dex Charles he's had problems staying healthy and that's slowed him down.

5-7 against this dreckfest of a schedule is bullshit.

HTH

 

[CokeGreaterThanPepsi]

Its great that you did a bunch of research but its somewhat meaningless unless you compare it to the other pac12 teams (at least)

I've done this in the past. Have a spreadsheet going back to 2009 I think with all recruiting classes in the conference. UW is towards the bottom of the conference with attrition (off top of my head Cal and WSU are worse). Two teams in that time period that don't have much attrition are Oregon and Stanford.

I'd post our data, but I'm too lazy to do it right now.

 

[HuskyInAZ]

The OP is why most rational observers are predicting a 5-7 to 7-5 regular season.

There's no upper level / NFL talent left from the 2011 and 2012 classes except for maybe Dwayne Washington. Josh Perkins may have a slight chance but needs to be playing at closer to 240 lbs so that he can add more in the running game.

I used to be more bullish on Dex Charles he's had problems staying healthy and that's slowed him down.

5-7 against this dreckfest of a schedule is bullshit.

HTH

The narrative about a "dreckfest of a schedule" is complete BS.

A little data for you, comparing the mighty SEC, SEC, SEC with the P12 in terms of non-conference scheduling.....

2015 SEC Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 4 non-conference games/year):
Georgia vs GT
LSU vs. Syracuse
MSU vs. Southern Miss
Missouri vs. Arkansas State
Ole Miss vs. Memphis
Vandy vs. Mid Tennessee
Vandy vs. Houston

2015 SEC Neutral Field games:
Alabama vs Wisconsin @ Dallas - I'm ignoring this match-up, as it's fairly close to a neutral field.

P12 Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 3 non-conference games/year):
Arizona vs. Nevada
ASU vs. TAMU @ Dallas (a virtual home game for TAMU)
Cal vs. Texas
Colorado vs. Hawaii
Oregon vs. Michigan State
OSU vs. Michigan
Stanford vs. Northwestern
UCLA vs. UNLV
USC vs. Notre Dame
Utah vs. Fresno State
UW vs. BSU
WSU vs Rutgers

Let's see. The SEC, SEC, SEC has 14 teams playing a total of 56 non-conference games. Of those 56 games, 7 are away games (2 of those are played by the worst team in the conference). Overall, 7/56 = 12.5% of SEC, SEC, SEC non-conference games are played away.

In the P12, every single team has an away, non-conference game. With 12 teams and 36 non-conference games in total, that works out to 12/36 = 33.3% of non-conference games played away.

And this doesn't take into account whether a team like BSU is a tougher opponent than Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Memphis, Mid Tennessee or Houston, 5 of the 7 SEC non-conference games played away.

So who exactly has a dreckfest of a schedule?

 

[dnc]

The OP is why most rational observers are predicting a 5-7 to 7-5 regular season.

There's no upper level / NFL talent left from the 2011 and 2012 classes except for maybe Dwayne Washington. Josh Perkins may have a slight chance but needs to be playing at closer to 240 lbs so that he can add more in the running game.

I used to be more bullish on Dex Charles he's had problems staying healthy and that's slowed him down.

5-7 against this dreckfest of a schedule is bullshit.

HTH

The narrative about a "dreckfest of a schedule" is complete BS.

A little data for you, comparing the mighty SEC, SEC, SEC with the P12 in terms of non-conference scheduling.....

2015 SEC Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 4 non-conference games/year):
Georgia vs GT
LSU vs. Syracuse
MSU vs. Southern Miss
Missouri vs. Arkansas State
Ole Miss vs. Memphis
Vandy vs. Mid Tennessee
Vandy vs. Houston

2015 SEC Neutral Field games:
Alabama vs Wisconsin @ Dallas - I'm ignoring this match-up, as it's fairly close to a neutral field.

P12 Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 3 non-conference games/year):
Arizona vs. Nevada
ASU vs. TAMU @ Dallas (a virtual home game for TAMU)
Cal vs. Texas
Colorado vs. Hawaii
Oregon vs. Michigan State
OSU vs. Michigan
Stanford vs. Northwestern
UCLA vs. UNLV
USC vs. Notre Dame
Utah vs. Fresno State
UW vs. BSU
WSU vs Rutgers

Let's see. The SEC, SEC, SEC has 14 teams playing a total of 56 non-conference games. Of those 56 games, 7 are away games (2 of those are played by the worst team in the conference). Overall, 7/56 = 12.5% of SEC, SEC, SEC non-conference games are played away.

In the P12, every single team has an away, non-conference game. With 12 teams and 36 non-conference games in total, that works out to 12/36 = 33.3% of non-conference games played away.

And this doesn't take into account whether a team like BSU is a tougher opponent than Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Memphis, Mid Tennessee or Houston, 5 of the 7 SEC non-conference games played away.

So who exactly has a dreckfest of a schedule?

Yeah, but the SEC teams don't get to play 9 games against the Pac12.

 

[HuskyInAZ]

The OP is why most rational observers are predicting a 5-7 to 7-5 regular season.

There's no upper level / NFL talent left from the 2011 and 2012 classes except for maybe Dwayne Washington. Josh Perkins may have a slight chance but needs to be playing at closer to 240 lbs so that he can add more in the running game.

I used to be more bullish on Dex Charles he's had problems staying healthy and that's slowed him down.

5-7 against this dreckfest of a schedule is bullshit.

HTH

The narrative about a "dreckfest of a schedule" is complete BS.

A little data for you, comparing the mighty SEC, SEC, SEC with the P12 in terms of non-conference scheduling.....

2015 SEC Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 4 non-conference games/year):
Georgia vs GT
LSU vs. Syracuse
MSU vs. Southern Miss
Missouri vs. Arkansas State
Ole Miss vs. Memphis
Vandy vs. Mid Tennessee
Vandy vs. Houston

2015 SEC Neutral Field games:
Alabama vs Wisconsin @ Dallas - I'm ignoring this match-up, as it's fairly close to a neutral field.

P12 Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 3 non-conference games/year):
Arizona vs. Nevada
ASU vs. TAMU @ Dallas (a virtual home game for TAMU)
Cal vs. Texas
Colorado vs. Hawaii
Oregon vs. Michigan State
OSU vs. Michigan
Stanford vs. Northwestern
UCLA vs. UNLV
USC vs. Notre Dame
Utah vs. Fresno State
UW vs. BSU
WSU vs Rutgers

Let's see. The SEC, SEC, SEC has 14 teams playing a total of 56 non-conference games. Of those 56 games, 7 are away games (2 of those are played by the worst team in the conference). Overall, 7/56 = 12.5% of SEC, SEC, SEC non-conference games are played away.

In the P12, every single team has an away, non-conference game. With 12 teams and 36 non-conference games in total, that works out to 12/36 = 33.3% of non-conference games played away.

And this doesn't take into account whether a team like BSU is a tougher opponent than Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Memphis, Mid Tennessee or Houston, 5 of the 7 SEC non-conference games played away.

So who exactly has a dreckfest of a schedule?

Yeah, but the SEC teams don't get to play 9 games against the Pac12.

Who would you rather play for that gimme? Colorado/WSU or Troy/McNeese St.

 

[whatshouldicareabout]

The OP is why most rational observers are predicting a 5-7 to 7-5 regular season.

There's no upper level / NFL talent left from the 2011 and 2012 classes except for maybe Dwayne Washington. Josh Perkins may have a slight chance but needs to be playing at closer to 240 lbs so that he can add more in the running game.

I used to be more bullish on Dex Charles he's had problems staying healthy and that's slowed him down.

5-7 against this dreckfest of a schedule is bullshit.

HTH

The narrative about a "dreckfest of a schedule" is complete BS.

A little data for you, comparing the mighty SEC, SEC, SEC with the P12 in terms of non-conference scheduling.....

2015 SEC Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 4 non-conference games/year):
Georgia vs GT
LSU vs. Syracuse
MSU vs. Southern Miss
Missouri vs. Arkansas State
Ole Miss vs. Memphis
Vandy vs. Mid Tennessee
Vandy vs. Houston

2015 SEC Neutral Field games:
Alabama vs Wisconsin @ Dallas - I'm ignoring this match-up, as it's fairly close to a neutral field.

P12 Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 3 non-conference games/year):
Arizona vs. Nevada
ASU vs. TAMU @ Dallas (a virtual home game for TAMU)
Cal vs. Texas
Colorado vs. Hawaii
Oregon vs. Michigan State
OSU vs. Michigan
Stanford vs. Northwestern
UCLA vs. UNLV
USC vs. Notre Dame
Utah vs. Fresno State
UW vs. BSU
WSU vs Rutgers

Let's see. The SEC, SEC, SEC has 14 teams playing a total of 56 non-conference games. Of those 56 games, 7 are away games (2 of those are played by the worst team in the conference). Overall, 7/56 = 12.5% of SEC, SEC, SEC non-conference games are played away.

In the P12, every single team has an away, non-conference game. With 12 teams and 36 non-conference games in total, that works out to 12/36 = 33.3% of non-conference games played away.

And this doesn't take into account whether a team like BSU is a tougher opponent than Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Memphis, Mid Tennessee or Houston, 5 of the 7 SEC non-conference games played away.

So who exactly has a dreckfest of a schedule?

Both

 

[HuskyInAZ]

The OP is why most rational observers are predicting a 5-7 to 7-5 regular season.

There's no upper level / NFL talent left from the 2011 and 2012 classes except for maybe Dwayne Washington. Josh Perkins may have a slight chance but needs to be playing at closer to 240 lbs so that he can add more in the running game.

I used to be more bullish on Dex Charles he's had problems staying healthy and that's slowed him down.

5-7 against this dreckfest of a schedule is bullshit.

HTH

The narrative about a "dreckfest of a schedule" is complete BS.

A little data for you, comparing the mighty SEC, SEC, SEC with the P12 in terms of non-conference scheduling.....

2015 SEC Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 4 non-conference games/year):
Georgia vs GT
LSU vs. Syracuse
MSU vs. Southern Miss
Missouri vs. Arkansas State
Ole Miss vs. Memphis
Vandy vs. Mid Tennessee
Vandy vs. Houston

2015 SEC Neutral Field games:
Alabama vs Wisconsin @ Dallas - I'm ignoring this match-up, as it's fairly close to a neutral field.

P12 Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 3 non-conference games/year):
Arizona vs. Nevada
ASU vs. TAMU @ Dallas (a virtual home game for TAMU)
Cal vs. Texas
Colorado vs. Hawaii
Oregon vs. Michigan State
OSU vs. Michigan
Stanford vs. Northwestern
UCLA vs. UNLV
USC vs. Notre Dame
Utah vs. Fresno State
UW vs. BSU
WSU vs Rutgers

Let's see. The SEC, SEC, SEC has 14 teams playing a total of 56 non-conference games. Of those 56 games, 7 are away games (2 of those are played by the worst team in the conference). Overall, 7/56 = 12.5% of SEC, SEC, SEC non-conference games are played away.

In the P12, every single team has an away, non-conference game. With 12 teams and 36 non-conference games in total, that works out to 12/36 = 33.3% of non-conference games played away.

And this doesn't take into account whether a team like BSU is a tougher opponent than Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Memphis, Mid Tennessee or Houston, 5 of the 7 SEC non-conference games played away.

So who exactly has a dreckfest of a schedule?

Both

Bull Shit. One conference plays 12.5% of their non-conference schedule on the road, while the other conference plays 33.3% of their non-conference schedule on the road. Apples & oranges. The SEC is a pack of entitled pussies with fans who are too stupid to realize it.

 

[pawz]

Down voted for trying to discuss football in June without at least providing Bounce material to keep most of us interested.

Next time I suggest paragraph breaks sandwiched with Swayes greatest hits, and maybe a couple of one liners to remind us this is the HHB.

FREE PUB !!!

 

[sarktastic]

Quite honestly, most critics have no idea how difficult it is to recruit to an outpost like UW in the aftermath of the Owen Twelve incident. Most 5* talent never heard of Washington. It's really a testament to our staff how they can get kids to put Washington in their top 10.

 

[whatshouldicareabout]

The OP is why most rational observers are predicting a 5-7 to 7-5 regular season.

There's no upper level / NFL talent left from the 2011 and 2012 classes except for maybe Dwayne Washington. Josh Perkins may have a slight chance but needs to be playing at closer to 240 lbs so that he can add more in the running game.

I used to be more bullish on Dex Charles he's had problems staying healthy and that's slowed him down.

5-7 against this dreckfest of a schedule is bullshit.

HTH

The narrative about a "dreckfest of a schedule" is complete BS.

A little data for you, comparing the mighty SEC, SEC, SEC with the P12 in terms of non-conference scheduling.....

2015 SEC Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 4 non-conference games/year):
Georgia vs GT
LSU vs. Syracuse
MSU vs. Southern Miss
Missouri vs. Arkansas State
Ole Miss vs. Memphis
Vandy vs. Mid Tennessee
Vandy vs. Houston

2015 SEC Neutral Field games:
Alabama vs Wisconsin @ Dallas - I'm ignoring this match-up, as it's fairly close to a neutral field.

P12 Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 3 non-conference games/year):
Arizona vs. Nevada
ASU vs. TAMU @ Dallas (a virtual home game for TAMU)
Cal vs. Texas
Colorado vs. Hawaii
Oregon vs. Michigan State
OSU vs. Michigan
Stanford vs. Northwestern
UCLA vs. UNLV
USC vs. Notre Dame
Utah vs. Fresno State
UW vs. BSU
WSU vs Rutgers

Let's see. The SEC, SEC, SEC has 14 teams playing a total of 56 non-conference games. Of those 56 games, 7 are away games (2 of those are played by the worst team in the conference). Overall, 7/56 = 12.5% of SEC, SEC, SEC non-conference games are played away.

In the P12, every single team has an away, non-conference game. With 12 teams and 36 non-conference games in total, that works out to 12/36 = 33.3% of non-conference games played away.

And this doesn't take into account whether a team like BSU is a tougher opponent than Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Memphis, Mid Tennessee or Houston, 5 of the 7 SEC non-conference games played away.

So who exactly has a dreckfest of a schedule?

Both

Bull Shit. One conference plays 12.5% of their non-conference schedule on the road, while the other conference plays 33.3% of their non-conference schedule on the road. Apples & oranges. The SEC is a pack of entitled pussies with fans who are too stupid to realize it.

Are you seriously proud by teams like Arizona going to Nevada, UCLA going to UNLV, and Utah to Fresno? Fuck man, I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed that the Pac-12 are traveling to MWC stadiums next season. And in response to the SEC, what about next year when the state rivalries switch and Florida goes to FSU, USC goes to Clemson, UK goes to Louisville? How "dreck" is 2016 between the two conferences?

To me, your data on away games doesn't refute awful scheduling between both conferences but just shows how willing Pac-12 ADs are to give up free money. Does UCLA really need to go to UNLV? Does Arizona need to go to Nevada? If these ADs were like SEC ADs and demanded home games, they would've made more money since 70k in the Rose Bowl plus a fee to UNLV is gonna generate more than 25K in Sam Boyd.

 

[Dennis_DeYoung]

This thread sucks.

 

[Penace]

i saw matt lyons at northgate a couple years ago and i couldnt believe how ugly he was. I also couldnt believe how small he was. I also randomly saw terrence ross the same day. Im no gay fan boy dont twist

 

[CFetters_Nacho_Lover]

"Just win baby" - Al Davis (fuck the Raiders with a rusty ten foot metal poll though.

Downvoted for disparaging the Silver & Black.

 

[puppylove_sugarsteel]

But how is Sark a bad recruiter?

Any Olinemen or qb's in that 'core'? Sark was a good salesman but shitty recruiter.

 

[HuskyInAZ]

The OP is why most rational observers are predicting a 5-7 to 7-5 regular season.

There's no upper level / NFL talent left from the 2011 and 2012 classes except for maybe Dwayne Washington. Josh Perkins may have a slight chance but needs to be playing at closer to 240 lbs so that he can add more in the running game.

I used to be more bullish on Dex Charles he's had problems staying healthy and that's slowed him down.

5-7 against this dreckfest of a schedule is bullshit.

HTH

The narrative about a "dreckfest of a schedule" is complete BS.

A little data for you, comparing the mighty SEC, SEC, SEC with the P12 in terms of non-conference scheduling.....

2015 SEC Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 4 non-conference games/year):
Georgia vs GT
LSU vs. Syracuse
MSU vs. Southern Miss
Missouri vs. Arkansas State
Ole Miss vs. Memphis
Vandy vs. Mid Tennessee
Vandy vs. Houston

2015 SEC Neutral Field games:
Alabama vs Wisconsin @ Dallas - I'm ignoring this match-up, as it's fairly close to a neutral field.

P12 Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 3 non-conference games/year):
Arizona vs. Nevada
ASU vs. TAMU @ Dallas (a virtual home game for TAMU)
Cal vs. Texas
Colorado vs. Hawaii
Oregon vs. Michigan State
OSU vs. Michigan
Stanford vs. Northwestern
UCLA vs. UNLV
USC vs. Notre Dame
Utah vs. Fresno State
UW vs. BSU
WSU vs Rutgers

Let's see. The SEC, SEC, SEC has 14 teams playing a total of 56 non-conference games. Of those 56 games, 7 are away games (2 of those are played by the worst team in the conference). Overall, 7/56 = 12.5% of SEC, SEC, SEC non-conference games are played away.

In the P12, every single team has an away, non-conference game. With 12 teams and 36 non-conference games in total, that works out to 12/36 = 33.3% of non-conference games played away.

And this doesn't take into account whether a team like BSU is a tougher opponent than Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Memphis, Mid Tennessee or Houston, 5 of the 7 SEC non-conference games played away.

So who exactly has a dreckfest of a schedule?

Both

Bull Shit. One conference plays 12.5% of their non-conference schedule on the road, while the other conference plays 33.3% of their non-conference schedule on the road. Apples & oranges. The SEC is a pack of entitled pussies with fans who are too stupid to realize it.

Are you seriously proud by teams like Arizona going to Nevada, UCLA going to UNLV, and Utah to Fresno? Fuck man, I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed that the Pac-12 are traveling to MWC stadiums next season. And in response to the SEC, what about next year when the state rivalries switch and Florida goes to FSU, USC goes to Clemson, UK goes to Louisville? How "dreck" is 2016 between the two conferences?

To me, your data on away games doesn't refute awful scheduling between both conferences but just shows how willing Pac-12 ADs are to give up free money. Does UCLA really need to go to UNLV? Does Arizona need to go to Nevada? If these ADs were like SEC ADs and demanded home games, they would've made more money since 70k in the Rose Bowl plus a fee to UNLV is gonna generate more than 25K in Sam Boyd.

Pretty sure I didn't say I was proud of AZ, UCLA and Utah for their non-conference scheduling. But don't let facts get in the way of your rant. The fact is both conferences schedule shitty non-conference teams. The P12, though, certainly plays a tougher non-conference schedule, and they play teams who are good enough to merit a home and home series. The conference of "dreckfest" non-conference scheduling is clearly the SEC.

My issue in all of this is that it was suggested that UW's schedule is a "dreckfest", despite the fact that they play BSU on the road, who is arguably better than any non-conference team that ANY SEC school plays on the road.

 

[whatshouldicareabout]

The OP is why most rational observers are predicting a 5-7 to 7-5 regular season.

There's no upper level / NFL talent left from the 2011 and 2012 classes except for maybe Dwayne Washington. Josh Perkins may have a slight chance but needs to be playing at closer to 240 lbs so that he can add more in the running game.

I used to be more bullish on Dex Charles he's had problems staying healthy and that's slowed him down.

5-7 against this dreckfest of a schedule is bullshit.

HTH

The narrative about a "dreckfest of a schedule" is complete BS.

A little data for you, comparing the mighty SEC, SEC, SEC with the P12 in terms of non-conference scheduling.....

2015 SEC Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 4 non-conference games/year):
Georgia vs GT
LSU vs. Syracuse
MSU vs. Southern Miss
Missouri vs. Arkansas State
Ole Miss vs. Memphis
Vandy vs. Mid Tennessee
Vandy vs. Houston

2015 SEC Neutral Field games:
Alabama vs Wisconsin @ Dallas - I'm ignoring this match-up, as it's fairly close to a neutral field.

P12 Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 3 non-conference games/year):
Arizona vs. Nevada
ASU vs. TAMU @ Dallas (a virtual home game for TAMU)
Cal vs. Texas
Colorado vs. Hawaii
Oregon vs. Michigan State
OSU vs. Michigan
Stanford vs. Northwestern
UCLA vs. UNLV
USC vs. Notre Dame
Utah vs. Fresno State
UW vs. BSU
WSU vs Rutgers

Let's see. The SEC, SEC, SEC has 14 teams playing a total of 56 non-conference games. Of those 56 games, 7 are away games (2 of those are played by the worst team in the conference). Overall, 7/56 = 12.5% of SEC, SEC, SEC non-conference games are played away.

In the P12, every single team has an away, non-conference game. With 12 teams and 36 non-conference games in total, that works out to 12/36 = 33.3% of non-conference games played away.

And this doesn't take into account whether a team like BSU is a tougher opponent than Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Memphis, Mid Tennessee or Houston, 5 of the 7 SEC non-conference games played away.

So who exactly has a dreckfest of a schedule?

Both

Bull Shit. One conference plays 12.5% of their non-conference schedule on the road, while the other conference plays 33.3% of their non-conference schedule on the road. Apples & oranges. The SEC is a pack of entitled pussies with fans who are too stupid to realize it.

Are you seriously proud by teams like Arizona going to Nevada, UCLA going to UNLV, and Utah to Fresno? Fuck man, I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed that the Pac-12 are traveling to MWC stadiums next season. And in response to the SEC, what about next year when the state rivalries switch and Florida goes to FSU, USC goes to Clemson, UK goes to Louisville? How "dreck" is 2016 between the two conferences?

To me, your data on away games doesn't refute awful scheduling between both conferences but just shows how willing Pac-12 ADs are to give up free money. Does UCLA really need to go to UNLV? Does Arizona need to go to Nevada? If these ADs were like SEC ADs and demanded home games, they would've made more money since 70k in the Rose Bowl plus a fee to UNLV is gonna generate more than 25K in Sam Boyd.

Pretty sure I didn't say I was proud of AZ, UCLA and Utah for their non-conference scheduling. But don't let facts get in the way of your rant. The fact is both conferences schedule shitty non-conference teams. The P12, though, certainly plays a tougher non-conference schedule, and they play teams who are good enough to merit a home and home series. The conference of "dreckfest" non-conference scheduling is clearly the SEC.

My issue in all of this is that it was suggested that UW's schedule is a "dreckfest", despite the fact that they play BSU on the road, who is arguably better than any non-conference team that ANY SEC school plays on the road.

Is English your first language or are you just retarded?

don't let facts get in the way of your rant.

Ok.

The fact is both conferences schedule shitty non-conference teams.

Ok.

Just because the SEC has shittier scheduling - which I've said in all my posts - doesn't mean the Pac-12 isn't guilty of shit scheduling, too. Hell, even you agree.

Just admit both conferences suck at non-conference scheduling and stop being a little bitch.

 

[puppylove_sugarsteel]

The OP is why most rational observers are predicting a 5-7 to 7-5 regular season.

There's no upper level / NFL talent left from the 2011 and 2012 classes except for maybe Dwayne Washington. Josh Perkins may have a slight chance but needs to be playing at closer to 240 lbs so that he can add more in the running game.

I used to be more bullish on Dex Charles he's had problems staying healthy and that's slowed him down.

5-7 against this dreckfest of a schedule is bullshit.

HTH

The narrative about a "dreckfest of a schedule" is complete BS.

A little data for you, comparing the mighty SEC, SEC, SEC with the P12 in terms of non-conference scheduling.....

2015 SEC Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 4 non-conference games/year):
Georgia vs GT
LSU vs. Syracuse
MSU vs. Southern Miss
Missouri vs. Arkansas State
Ole Miss vs. Memphis
Vandy vs. Mid Tennessee
Vandy vs. Houston

2015 SEC Neutral Field games:
Alabama vs Wisconsin @ Dallas - I'm ignoring this match-up, as it's fairly close to a neutral field.

P12 Non-Conference Away games (keeping in mind they have 3 non-conference games/year):
Arizona vs. Nevada
ASU vs. TAMU @ Dallas (a virtual home game for TAMU)
Cal vs. Texas
Colorado vs. Hawaii
Oregon vs. Michigan State
OSU vs. Michigan
Stanford vs. Northwestern
UCLA vs. UNLV
USC vs. Notre Dame
Utah vs. Fresno State
UW vs. BSU
WSU vs Rutgers

Let's see. The SEC, SEC, SEC has 14 teams playing a total of 56 non-conference games. Of those 56 games, 7 are away games (2 of those are played by the worst team in the conference). Overall, 7/56 = 12.5% of SEC, SEC, SEC non-conference games are played away.

In the P12, every single team has an away, non-conference game. With 12 teams and 36 non-conference games in total, that works out to 12/36 = 33.3% of non-conference games played away.

And this doesn't take into account whether a team like BSU is a tougher opponent than Southern Miss, Arkansas State, Memphis, Mid Tennessee or Houston, 5 of the 7 SEC non-conference games played away.

So who exactly has a dreckfest of a schedule?

Both

Bull Shit. One conference plays 12.5% of their non-conference schedule on the road, while the other conference plays 33.3% of their non-conference schedule on the road. Apples & oranges. The SEC is a pack of entitled pussies with fans who are too stupid to realize it.

Are you seriously proud by teams like Arizona going to Nevada, UCLA going to UNLV, and Utah to Fresno? Fuck man, I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed that the Pac-12 are traveling to MWC stadiums next season. And in response to the SEC, what about next year when the state rivalries switch and Florida goes to FSU, USC goes to Clemson, UK goes to Louisville? How "dreck" is 2016 between the two conferences?

To me, your data on away games doesn't refute awful scheduling between both conferences but just shows how willing Pac-12 ADs are to give up free money. Does UCLA really need to go to UNLV? Does Arizona need to go to Nevada? If these ADs were like SEC ADs and demanded home games, they would've made more money since 70k in the Rose Bowl plus a fee to UNLV is gonna generate more than 25K in Sam Boyd.

Pretty sure I didn't say I was proud of AZ, UCLA and Utah for their non-conference scheduling. But don't let facts get in the way of your rant. The fact is both conferences schedule shitty non-conference teams. The P12, though, certainly plays a tougher non-conference schedule, and they play teams who are good enough to merit a home and home series. The conference of "dreckfest" non-conference scheduling is clearly the SEC.

My issue in all of this is that it was suggested that UW's schedule is a "dreckfest", despite the fact that they play BSU on the road, who is arguably better than any non-conference team that ANY SEC school plays on the road.

Is English your first language or are you just retarded?

don't let facts get in the way of your rant.

Ok.

The fact is both conferences schedule shitty non-conference teams.

Ok.

Just because the SEC has shittier scheduling - which I've said in all my posts - doesn't mean the Pac-12 isn't guilty of shit scheduling, too. Hell, even you agree.

Just admit both conferences suck at non-conference scheduling and stop being a little bitch.

Both conferences DONT. suck at non-con scheduling BITCH. The pac12 and Big10 always play AT LEAST 1 quality or above-quality opponent. Have forever, every year. Sometimes 2 (in UW and UCLA's case). The SEC DOES FUCKING NEITHER.

Nevada, idaho, $ac St , doesnt matter. Home or away. Now fuck off writeabout