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Tequilla's Ohio State Post Mortem Thoughts
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As a Buckeye fan I agree, the Fake FG was a poor decision especially when you are at home and in the game. The roughing the passer was also a terrible call against the Huskies. Frankly you guys have a good team and I see a 9-3 maybe even 10-2 season for you. I think you get Illinois at home. Michigan on the road will be tough but they are not what they have been the last couple seasons. Oregon will be a challenge but you get them at home so never know…. Good luck the rest of the way…..
We went into 2016 ranked 14th and were expected to be good. We were in the top 10 after week one. It was not out of nowhere, but it was not trusted until it happened.
Hated it at the time. There was no timeout called when Ohio state lined up to cover it. There was no audible out. They lined up for a fake, Ohio State sniffed it out, then they ran it anyway right into a defense prepared. Totally stupid coaching.
My high-school team had provisions for if the other team didn't line up for the fake properly ffs.
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No… The WR coach was 3-4 yds into the playing field doing the Dougie or some shit dance after the first down catch. Then on the VERY NEXT PLAY your head coach runs out to the hash marks and berates the referee behind his back… Both penalties fall into the Vinny Holmes should have known better category.. Dumbfuckerey @ its best.
Agreement is not part of your contrarian DNA, Big Dog.
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The line play definitely held its own and I think we should walk away from the game encouraged but by no means looking at it as a finished product or not in need of further talent improvements.
From an OL standpoint, I thought that they opened some decent creases in the run game. If you take Demond out of the rushing picture (due to the sacks) you're looking at 17 for 89 … I'd take that. The downside to that was that when it got into the red zone and the sledding got tougher they weren't able to rise to the challenge. On one of Jonah's carries Q got beaten badly to the inside blowing up the play. Consistency was a bit of a problem as well … but it wasn't bad.
From a DL perspective, it was clear to me that Ohio State's initial game plan was to try to lean on the run and run it down our throats. That wasn't successful. Getting a key 4th and 1 stop on the 1st drive was the high water mark for the defense … really good to see. The Ohio State run game was largely pedestrian and their longest run came on a 3rd and 16 in the 4th quarter that probably shouldn't have happened (bad play call there IMO). While Ohio State averaged 4.4 yards per carry, my thought is that the favorable run D that we saw through 3 games is more real than not and we should have some confidence that it's going to be hard to just line up and beat us via the run this year.
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2016 … we popped at the back end of 2015 and that was a team that had a lot of young players that played early (notably Browning, Gaskin, Adams) and improved through the season. There's a similar trajectory possible for this team
2022 … there was a lot of noise that clouded how good that team could have been given how horrific Lake's 2nd year was. The biggest surprise of the year was Penix, his ceiling, and his health. That year is representative of what a key add or two can do to raise the ceiling of a roster but also highlighted that there was a lot of younger talent on the roster that just needed the right foundation to blossom.
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I'm not upset at the outcome … this was always the "likely" outcome
I'm not saying that Jedd was signaling to his team and his team quit … not saying that at all.
What I'm saying is that if you're on the Ohio State sideline you're taking that play as an indication that they don't think they can compete with you. It must have just been coincidence that they took that play and translated it into their 1st score of the game and then scored coming right out of halftime. When you're an underdog don't give the favorite any reason to wake up. That play woke them up.
Also, Ohio State knows that most teams are going to try to find a way to steal something whether it be the onside kick you noted from Oregon last year to the fake FG that we ran. They are going to be alert for that.
As for Oregon routinely doing that stuff, it's part of their DNA and what they do. How anybody isn't prepared for them doing stuff like that blows my mind.
JFC dude, now you're saying it's the reason they went down and scored? Coincidences don't happen? There has to be causation from that specific play to why they put a drive together? You are not nearly as smart as you think you are. And anyway, that's not what you said. You said it was a signal to both teams.
The reason UW ran cover zero in the red zone and didn't cover the best WR in the nation is because they failed a fake FG post of the day.
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Yeah not understanding as much of the dominated on both sides of the line stuff. It's a good point out on that being their longest run and the second was a run by Sayin in a very long third down situation as well. It also wasn't like our pass rush was much better or worse than it was against CSU or the Coug until they collapsed. And Durfee probably finally officially tapped out for his career.
Offensively I think almost all the sacks were coverage type sacks. Their front did beat us really bad at some really crucial times.
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Generally speaking, I'm a fan of taking the points when they are there. I don't generally like Fake FG situations (particularly if a QB isn't your holder) because you're putting players in position to fail more often than not. I do think that when a fake works that poorly it takes momentum away from you as a team and gives some good momentum to the opposition.
Given the time/score of the game, I thought it was an odd time for the call. At that point you've effectively outplayed your opponent for the first 26+ minutes. No need to change anything.
Did the fake cause Ohio State to score? Not directly.
Did the fake give momentum to Ohio State? Absolutely.
I don't think it's uncorrelated that Ohio State's 2 best drives of the game came going into halftime and coming out of halftime feeding off that momentum.
I don't think its a huge stretch to say that it gave Ohio State some confidence about the outcome … there is a saying that some subscribe to that teams that go to fakes and trick plays often do so because they don't think they can beat you straight up.
UW still likely loses that game fake or no fake.
My point is that it was an unnecessary risk at that point of time compounded by one of the worst attempts that I've ever seen. It absolutely served as a shot to the nuts.
Given the time/score of the game, I thought it was an odd time for the call. At that point you've effectively outplayed your opponent for the first 26+ minutes. No need to change anything.
Did the fake cause Ohio State to score? Not directly.
Did the fake give momentum to Ohio State? Absolutely.
I don't think it's uncorrelated that Ohio State's 2 best drives of the game came going into halftime and coming out of halftime feeding off that momentum.
I don't think its a huge stretch to say that it gave Ohio State some confidence about the outcome … there is a saying that some subscribe to that teams that go to fakes and trick plays often do so because they don't think they can beat you straight up.
UW still likely loses that game fake or no fake.
My point is that it was an unnecessary risk at that point of time compounded by one of the worst attempts that I've ever seen. It absolutely served as a shot to the nuts.
I just can't stand his drive by thinks he's god's gift to sportsball analysis diarrhea of the keyboard. Dude loves to hear himself talk. "I've said this same thing 5 different ways. Hmm, let's make that 8."
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Tequilla
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I care so much to hear myself talk that I rarely post anymore … only tend to do these types of things for big games or before/after the season
There's a lot to like with what happened Saturday … far more than to be concerned about
It wasn't perfect
There were things to learn from for both players and coaches
Fans of this program need to get rid of the sky is falling mindset … particularly when losing to the #1 team in a competitive fashion
There's a lot to like with what happened Saturday … far more than to be concerned about
It wasn't perfect
There were things to learn from for both players and coaches
Fans of this program need to get rid of the sky is falling mindset … particularly when losing to the #1 team in a competitive fashion
Participation ribbons for all
To take other side of this, Ohio State was a poorly called 4th down slow developing stretch play and fumbled punt from being up 7-0 and having the ball at UW 25 10 minutes into game. TD there and route more than likely is on.
We aren't in same universe of having the dudes across the OL/DL to compete at the highest level of B12 let alone SEC and 12 team playoffs.
Fisch not calling a timeout b4 fake goal after seeing Ohio State not have 1, not 2 but three players in safe mode (including 2 on the side of field the fake was going to) is inexcusable to me and on same plane as telling your senior QB were running the option to short side versus WSU no matter what and not giving him the option to check out of it even when a Rogers in two seconds can count and realize they have one more defender that we can block on play.
That's a mistake a head coach makes in year 1 or two, not in year 4.
Stop saying we don't have the players. There's talent throughout this lineup and saying that or echoing it more likely is not just wrong it detracts from the actual problems. That being Jedds rezone offense and Demonds holding on to the ball IMO. If those 2 things are different the game was absolutely winnable. Not saying they do win every time don't twist.
Stop echoing braindead doog tweets or wherever you all get this from that lil ol Washington doesn't have the players. It's an excuse for Jedd. One more year bro c'mon bro let me get my guys in next year bro. You mean after Willis, Moore, Coleman, Taco, Prysock and Boston are gone??
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Define what you mean by saying that "we have the players"
We do have players … there's a really good chance that we can finish as a Top 15-20 team this year whether via the polls, metrics, or all the above. If all goes right we might finish a bit higher.
But I don't think it's really that crazy to say that we don't have the same kind of talent that the #1 team in the nation, defending national champion, and the definition of what a blue blood has.
That's not to say that we shouldn't expect to be able to compete with them … and we did.
That's not to say that we didn't have at least a puncher's chance of winning the game … and we did.
We're closer to competing at that level today than we were last season.
We'll get another chance to show how much we've improved throughout the year when we play Oregon at the end of the season.
We'll very likely be closer to competing at that level next season than we were this season.
It's fine for us all to be frustrated by things here and there … notably the fake FG call that isn't explainable. It's frustrating to me to see Fisch not take accountability for it.
But this idea that things need to be blown up because we lost to #1 that so many UW fans have right now … it's really over the top.
Define what you mean by saying that "we have the players"
We do have players … there's a really good chance that we can finish as a Top 15-20 team this year whether via the polls, metrics, or all the above. If all goes right we might finish a bit higher.
But I don't think it's really that crazy to say that we don't have the same kind of talent that the #1 team in the nation, defending national champion, and the definition of what a blue blood has.
That's not to say that we shouldn't expect to be able to compete with them … and we did.
That's not to say that we didn't have at least a puncher's chance of winning the game … and we did.
We're closer to competing at that level today than we were last season.
We'll get another chance to show how much we've improved throughout the year when we play Oregon at the end of the season.
We'll very likely be closer to competing at that level next season than we were this season.
It's fine for us all to be frustrated by things here and there … notably the fake FG call that isn't explainable. It's frustrating to me to see Fisch not take accountability for it.
But this idea that things need to be blown up because we lost to #1 that so many UW fans have right now … it's really over the top.