Tequilla's Ohio State Post Mortem Thoughts

Tequilla

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By and large, I thought the team competed hard and while you could see some frustration and youth show up I never felt the team quit … that's a positive sign when thinking about how the team will continue growing over the next 2 months.
Demond does a lot of things right but this was his 6th career start and his 2nd against the #1 team in the country … this game had a lot of similar attributes versus that game at Oregon last year. There are a lot of skills but there's some nuance that Demond needs to improve on and that includes learning to take an incompletion and pulling the trigger on more "dirty" throws … right now he doesn't really pull a throw unless it's going to hit his receiver perfectly in his chest. That's a great goal to have and it definitely highlights his completion percentage and his lack of interceptions. But it also causes him to potentially take sacks (particularly when playing against athletes that can compete with his athleticism) and/or limits some additional opportunities in the passing game (compare to some throws Penix would make that were "my guy or nobody").
I thought by and large both sides of the LOS played fairly well and it would have been hard to expect more … positive sign going forward.
The fake FG by Fisch was horrendous and highlights that he went into the game thinking he was going to have to try to steal some items to flip the game instead of allowing his players to play straight up. At that point in the game his team was holding their own (and borderline outplaying) … take the points. Instead, when the fake fails not only do you get a far greater shift in momentum that you wouldn't have had with a FG miss but you signal to both teams that you don't think that you can win straight up. Next time you meaningfully touch the ball you're down 14-3.
The 0 blitz by Walters on the Smith TD was an unnecessary risk given that it was very obvious that Ohio State's game plan was to minimize downside risk with their offense … but what the play really does is highlight that we're just a bit lacking in difference makers vs JAGs as the blitz was a step late in causing pressure and forcing Sayin to get rid of it earlier than he wanted and an inability to rally to the ball and tackling Smith before he hit the first down line (which should happen way more often than not). That said, hard to ask for much more from the defense in the game … they did their part.
It's easy to point to the red zone and blame Fisch but I'd put that more on a lack of execution (notably penalties) and the challenge that a tight field puts on winning 1 on 1 battles … in addition the tight windows in the red zone can really hurt Demond with his desire to make "clean" throws … they probably needed to cause a wide field 1 on 1 fade for Boston at least once. Other than that, the only thing I'll point out is the sack that Demond took on 3rd and Goal at the 3 probably should have been a run as it looked like 5 OL vs 5 in the box for Ohio State … particularly true if you were planning on going for it on 4th down. BTW, going for it on 4th and goal from the 3 would have been the wrong call given that the FG put you to a 1 score game.
The good news is that some of the things Ohio State was able to do others may try but will almost assuredly miss the athletes to be able to do so.
This will be a very instructive game traveling to Maryland. Talent wise we should win. But how do we rebound and can we combat the time zone travel against a team that is going to be hyped after a bye as a home dog.
 
The Fake FG plus the 0 blitz got me disengaged from the game, plus the roughing the passer which wasn't. Barely watched after that.
 
Agree 100%

After the failed fake field goal I turned to my wife and said, "We've lost this game because Fisch just told the team that we can't compete without trickery and shenanigans."
 
The kids played hard
Locker looked good out there
Won the first half. Bodes well for Ty
 
The kids played hard
Locker looked good out there
Won the first half. Bodes well for Ty

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@Tequilla how do you see the lineplay? I see an echo chamber saying "that's what happens when you get wrecked on both sides of the line" but I thought it was relatively even
 
The Fake FG plus the 0 blitz got me disengaged from the game, plus the roughing the passer which wasn't. Barely watched after that.
There's was a gutsy play the odd 4th down conversion mid field earlier in the game that I liked.
The fake FG was pretty fucking stupid.
I think there was a lot of irrational doog exuberance going into this game based on a lot of wishful thinking.
 
I have PTSD from Ty and Sark years of the shit line of we lost by three scores but we played harder and we have young players and wait till 2-3 years from now. The two times we have actually popped in recent history - 2016 and 2022, we were just good suddenly and returning experience is becoming a much less important metric. The team is also really upperclassman heavy.
 
I have PTSD from Ty and Sark years of the shit line of we lost by three scores but we played harder and we have young players and wait till 2-3 years from now. The two times we have actually popped in recent history - 2016 and 2022, we were just good suddenly and returning experience is becoming a much less important metric. The team is also really upperclassman heavy.
90% of the upperclassmen are mercenary transfers we can just get more of
 
I have PTSD from Ty and Sark years of the shit line of we lost by three scores but we played harder and we have young players and wait till 2-3 years from now. The two times we have actually popped in recent history - 2016 and 2022, we were just good suddenly and returning experience is becoming a much less important metric. The team is also really upperclassman heavy.
As fun and good as 2016 and 2022 were, they didn't feature any wins as big as beating the Buckeyes this year would have been.
 
I have PTSD from Ty and Sark years of the shit line of we lost by three scores but we played harder and we have young players and wait till 2-3 years from now. The two times we have actually popped in recent history - 2016 and 2022, we were just good suddenly and returning experience is becoming a much less important metric. The team is also really upperclassman heavy.
As fun and good as 2016 and 2022 were, they didn't feature any wins as big as beating the Buckeyes this year would have been.
*2023
And I disagree. The win over Texas in New Orleans at the Sugar Bowl was a huge win in the playoffs.
 
I trust my eyes, and the offensive and defensive lines are definitely not close to top tier and nowhere close to being able to compete against the best the B1G has to offer.
I hate to think what the score would have been if this game was at the Shoe (ILTCITSIDT).
 
I have PTSD from Ty and Sark years of the shit line of we lost by three scores but we played harder and we have young players and wait till 2-3 years from now. The two times we have actually popped in recent history - 2016 and 2022, we were just good suddenly and returning experience is becoming a much less important metric. The team is also really upperclassman heavy.
As fun and good as 2016 and 2022 were, they didn't feature any wins as big as beating the Buckeyes this year would have been.
*2023
And I disagree. The win over Texas in New Orleans at the Sugar Bowl was a huge win in the playoffs.
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The "showed them we didn't think we could compete" narrative is total nonsense. The problem is that it didn't work, period. Oregon ran a fake against Maryland? in the 1st half last year because the game was tied or close and Husky fans were all over them for having to run a fake to beat the Terps.

They did it again this year against Oregon State in the first half of a close game. If it hadn't worked was Lanning sending a message to his team that he didn't think they could win? I get that the Beev is not Buck but this is armchair echo chamber nonsense. Do you seriously think the players would demotivate because the coach faked a FG? If that's the case TSIO and Fisch should be door ass out.
Hell, Lanning did that semi onside kick thing against, checks notes, OHIO STATE last year because he KNEW they needed to win the possession battle. It worked and they won by 1 point. When it works it's "BIG BALLS LFG". When it doesn't work it's "He's sending the wrong message!". Come on. You're making shit up because you're unhappy with the result.
 
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The "showed them we didn't think we could compete" narrative is total nonsense. The problem is that it didn't work, period. Oregon ran a fake against Maryland? in the 1st half last year because the game was tied or close and Husky fans were all over them for having to run a fake to beat the Terps.

They did it again this year against Oregon State in the first half of a close game. If it hadn't worked was Lanning sending a message to his team that he didn't think they could win? I get that the Beev is not Buck but this is armchair echo chamber nonsense. Do you seriously think the players would demotivate because the coach faked a FG? If that's the case TSIO and Fisch should be door ass out.
Hell, Lanning did that semi onside kick thing against, checks notes, OHIO STATE last year because he KNEW they needed to win the possession battle. It worked and they won by 1 point. Come on guys. You're making shit up because you're unhappy with the result.
I agree that the message is overrated. I just don't think you call a fake FG in the 2nd quarter when you have the momentum, a very good kicker, and can put points on the board at home.
Where Fisch & Doherty Sarked it was in not giving the ball to Coleman enough in the 2nd half.
I bet Walters wants that blitz call back but overall the D played well enough to win if the offense had done its job though Ohio State has NFL guys at pretty much every position on D.
 
The refs also legitimately fucked UW egregiously.

They need to do a warning for a sideline infraction first, and that roughing the passer was game breaking.
 
The fake field goal was stupid on multiple levels. One, it was unnecessary at that point in the game (and yeah, I know the fakes are supposed to come when the other team doesn't expect it, but that just seemed to be poorly timed — and Ohio State was coached up and ready for it); two, a FG would have gotten you within one score; and three — which is the biggest part of the absurdity to me — the play that was called had no shot whatsoever of being successful. It was like half the team was executing (or lack thereof) to one play call and the other half executing (or lack thereof) to another. You only run those plays if everyone is on the same page, and clearly they were not.
Ridiculously poor coaching. Fisch gets an F for effort on the day for that play alone.
 
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