Tariffs cost GM 1 billion dollars
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If nearly every foreign automaker can build cars in the US, GM and Ford can, too. Bringing plants back from Mexico and Canada is a good thing.
Bucks claim that capitalism made the off shore choice is true and valid. But it ignores the part where bureaucracy, regulation and big government created the conditions where moving off shore was the obvious choice for capitalism. So not really capitalism.
She's the worst CEO in corporate America.
Both GM and Ford bet the farm on EVs. They and their UAW union rather than stand up and fight the idiocy of mandated EVs decided to get along go along with the madness under the delusion that EVs would be cheaper, cleaner and that the American taxpayer and electricity consumer would pay the hundreds of billions to build up the necessary electric grid to charge the cars. Just like the US medical bureaucracy (Big Pharma, medical insurers and hospital and doctor organizations) talked themselves into obamacare. Buck brags about the $7500 that the government paid for his Ford Lightning and then whines about tariffs to break free of the chicoms supply chokehold on the US. If he cared about the actual cost to US consumers and taxpayers he would have opposed the dementia patients Make Inflation Greater Act. But he didn't. Because he doesn't care.
Never said that. In fact I said quite the opposite. I’m personally willing to pay more for American jobs..You better be to.
I think you need to go to the optometrist and get your eyes checked man. Between not being able to read my posts and your recommendation of ugly actresses I think something is definately wrong.
Buck: I hate tariffs that target the chicoms and countries that are acting to limit US exports.
Buck: I support something that I'm not prepared to tell you about to bring back to the US jobs done by foreigners.
Buck: I support something that I'm not prepared to tell you about to bring back to the US jobs done by foreigners.
When the gubmint subsidies dry up, GM can’t compete.
TARP anyone?
Produce products people want
AOG
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Here is an ChatGPT report. TL/DR, America sedans are basically ~dead but the Japanese are still hanging on.
Conclusion: From 2015 to 2024, U.S. sedan sales for models like the Accord, Camry, Fusion, and Malibu have trended decisively downward, with occasional bumps from new models or abnormal events. The dominance of SUVs in American preferences cannot be overstated – it fundamentally reshaped automakers’ lineups and consumers’ choices. Sedans went from the default family car to an increasingly niche product in less than a decade. Among the four sedans analyzed, two (Fusion and Malibu) belonged to manufacturers that largely walked away from the segment, resulting in massive sales drops and the Fusion’s demise. The other two (Camry and Accord) illustrate how Japanese automakers managed to retain significant volume by continuously updating their sedans and catering to remaining demand, though not without losses of their own.
Going forward, the midsize sedan segment in the U.S. is a fraction of its former size – but it is not entirely dead. The Camry and Accord still sell in the hundreds of thousands and often top reliability and owner satisfaction rankings, suggesting a loyal customer base. Manufacturers may also see sedans as a platform for economical hybrids and future EVs (a counterpoint to heavy, less efficient SUVs). Indeed, as of 2024 the Camry is expected to get a new generation soon, and Chevrolet hints at a next-gen Malibu, possibly electriccarscoops.com. In summary, U.S. sedan sales 2015–2024 show a clear declining trend with periodic rebounds tied to new models or supply changes. The rise of SUVs and consequent manufacturer strategy shifts (like Ford’s and GM’s exits) were the driving forces behind these trends, reshaping the American automotive landscapewashingtonpost.comwardsauto.com. Sedans have lost their once-dominant position, but the remaining models continue to evolve – pointing to a future where sedans may endure as specialized, tech-rich alternatives rather than mass-market stars.
Sources: This report is based on authoritative sales data from automakers and industry trackers (e.g. GoodCarBadCar yearly sales figuresgoodcarbadcar.net), as well as analysis from automotive publications and news (Washington Post, The Autopian, GM Authority, Carscoopscarscoops.com, WardsAutowardsauto.com, etc.). These sources provide insight into year-over-year changes, redesign impacts, and the strategic decisions that influenced U.S. sedan sales trends. Each model’s journey over 2015–2024 illustrates a facet of the broader narrative: the once-mighty sedan segment adapting to a new reality in America’s car market.
Ford sold more of the Fusion in its final year than Honda currently sells of the Accord. Chevy still sold 117k of the Malibu in its final year (a car that was in the 8th year of its generation, which is ancient).
My assumption is that domestic demand of the Accord, Camry, etc is still high enough that it makes sense to also continue them in the US. But they will die at some point, probably in the next 10 years.
AOG
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No, the Fusion was only 10k final year, years ago… Ford cars have been junk since the 70s at least, so that's no loss. The Accords and Camrys are still selling in the 200k to 300k range.
Ford Fusion Sales Figures
Ford Fusion Sales Figures
Or subsidies to foreign nations for offshoring.
