Stanford is killing it.
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We (?) are going to have to give Shaw his due. Is he perfect? No. But he's pretty damn good all around the job
Kind of the Black Les Miles
Kind of the Black Les Miles
I've never gotten the Shaw hate. Like you said, he hasn't been perfect but he has kept Stanford rolling post-Harbaugh, which no one thought he would do. I also gained a lot of respect for him when he told Sark to lick his taint after Sark accused him of cheating.
Shaw "hater" here. I thought he'd fall way off. He hasn't yet, so either I was wrong or the league is just that weak right now. Or abundance.
He recruits well and seems to get his guys the right roids. I don't think he's a good game day coach or play caller.
FremontTroll
New Fish
What is impressive about Stanford's class is that they are getting their guys from every region of the country and continuing to expand their national reach.
Only 3 kids from Cali and 5 total from PAC territory (7 if you count Hawaii) compared to 7 CA/11 PAC out of 22 in 2015 and 5 CA/12 PAC out of 20 in 2014
2016 kids also hail from:
-6 from Texas
-5 from the Northeast
-4 from the Southeast
-2 from the Midwest
Also lots of big bodies as usual:
-13 out of 25 recruits are on the lines counting their big TEs.
-All 3 WRs listed at 6'3.5" or taller.
I don't care if UCLA or USC has more flashy top-100 playmakers. This is the best recruiting class in the Pac and Stanford will be the team to beat in conference for years to come. Our best chance to unseat them is 2016 since they will be YOUNG.
Only 3 kids from Cali and 5 total from PAC territory (7 if you count Hawaii) compared to 7 CA/11 PAC out of 22 in 2015 and 5 CA/12 PAC out of 20 in 2014
2016 kids also hail from:
-6 from Texas
-5 from the Northeast
-4 from the Southeast
-2 from the Midwest
Also lots of big bodies as usual:
-13 out of 25 recruits are on the lines counting their big TEs.
-All 3 WRs listed at 6'3.5" or taller.
I don't care if UCLA or USC has more flashy top-100 playmakers. This is the best recruiting class in the Pac and Stanford will be the team to beat in conference for years to come. Our best chance to unseat them is 2016 since they will be YOUNG.
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FremontTroll
New Fish
Would you think more highly of their class if they took 4* Bisharat over 2* Maddox? They had their choice and preferred Maddox.
They have an identity. They are getting their pick of players nationwide that fit that identity. They are kicking ass.
pat_hm
New Fish
Not saying they are doing bad. Clearly they identify a specific type of a player and develop him into their system. It seems to be working.
However I think its funny that everyone is sucking Shaw's dick over a class that averages 3.28 stars but if Petersen had just came off a Rose Bowl victory and pulled the same type of class everyone would be destroying him. I'm still not a huge believer in Shaw as a head coach but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt re: recruiting given their on the field performance during his time as HC.
FremontTroll
New Fish
Holy strawman, batman! That is an absolutely ludicrous comparison. CCCP coming off a Rose Bowl win would be a god who could do no wrong.
54-14, 36-9. 4 top ten finishes in 5 years. What can he do to make you a believer? Winners win. Shaw has proven everyone wrong- he is a winner.
pat_hm
New Fish
His first year he inherited Andrew Luck. Petersen inherited Cyler Miles and Lindquist. His rose bowl victories have been against an 8-5 lame duck Wisconsin team coached by the athletic director and Iowa. Sorry but I'm not a big Iowa guy. He was 8-5 last season with Hogan. He's a good coach. Never said he wasn't. In general he beats who he is supposed to beat. But I don't consider him elite.
He's won the conference three out of five years and made a BCS Bowl in four out of five years. That's elite. I would bet a lot of money Petersen will never do that and I'm on the doog train the next two years.
SteveInShelton
New Fish
Actually I think he always shits a game against a team he should beat, which is what kept him out of multiple playoff appearances. Northwestern, USC, UW... That alone keeps him from being a top tier coach, but he is very good and right on the tier below Saban/Meyer.
FremontTroll
New Fish
Why do you keep talking about CP? We are discussing Shaw.
Shaw had Luck for one year. He had fricking Josh Nunes (who?) and Kevin Hogan the last four. Hogan almost grad transferred because it was questionable whether he would keep his job as a redshirt senior. Not an elite qb to say the least.
Saying that a coach "beats who he is supposed to beat" is basically a message board admission that you have no real analysis but you know that said coach hasn't won a national championship so its probably a safe but empty claim.
However Shaw is actually 6-1 straight up as an underdog of 3+ points. 4-1 as an underdog of more than a TD. Let that sink in for a minute. (If you want to bring CCCP into the discussion he is 2-8 as an underdog of 3+ points thus far. And oh, btw, that 2012 Badgers team had just put up 70 on Nebraska in the BIGCCG and hadn't lost by more than 3 points in regulation all year. Not a pushover.)
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Miles has a very good record and winner's win, but I've watched enough LSU football to realize he is one stupid motherfucker. He's also the coach of the only two loss champion.
The record is what it is though. It's pretty easy to make a case why he's a good coach.
The record is what it is though. It's pretty easy to make a case why he's a good coach.
