Sir Mells, 2022 3* DT, Henderson (Liberty), NV (Considering options)

[lawsandl]

Oregon got materially better from 2018 to 2019 under Mario. They regressed last year after what was essentially two draft classes gone and no offseason regiment. Everyone but Husky fans see the writing on the wall that large NFL draft classes will become the norm. We don’t need 82 composites to turn into draft picks to be a developmental program.

To bad ONLY Oregon lost people to the draft, and had their offseason programs messed up from Covid. I heard they would have beat the beavs if they didn't have such an unfair disadvantage.

It doesn't take a rocket science[/b] to figure out the uneven effect of covid and how it would create parity in the league. Guess what? I am not extrapolating too much from UW either. I expect regression back to the mean in 2021. Although the 6th year senior effect will be interesting.

You can't make this stuff up...

I am an analyst not a word guy. Guilty as charged on the poor grammar.

Also, development is on topic. Mells is clearly a developmental prospect.

It’s fair game.

 

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Henry Hulabaloo?[/b]

I have to say, duck or not, that's quality.

 

[Mooser42]

Turns out I was very wrong about Oregon’s development. I apologize to all I have hurt with my ignorance.
https://twitter.com/westcoastcfb/status/1401936939092119560?s=21

I agree with this. Embarrassing.

Oregon was really bad at scouting Top247 recruits from 2011-15 and didn’t develop great for the 12-15 classes.

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Someone should show this to Mario Cristobal’s recruits. They’ll be devastated to learn that Mark Helfrich failed to develop Pharaoh Brown, Darren Carrington, Evan Baylis, and Tyree Robinson into NFL Draft picks. Under this formula Pharaoh Brown, a two time first team All Pac-12 selection and current NFL starter, hurts Oregon’s development ranking. Should have developed the ligaments in his leg better. If Darren Carrington had been drafted he would still hurt Oregon’s ranking, but it would help Utah’s under this methodology.

Personally, I though that Bralon Addison and Byron Marshall were damn good players, but Cristobal failed to develop their height and 40 times. I don’t think S.Mells considered that enough. My father won several Beet Bowls and I played D1 K/P Large Earth Conference. DM me and I’ll help you become a Man-Duck.

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How different would this look for Top247 players who played for Cristobal as HC? Up to date it would be either 83% or 71% depending on whether you count Taj Griffin and the three games he played in. That number will have to include Tyler Shuck as a negative, even if he gets drafted first overall. Royce Freeman not included since his fatass only gave a motivational speech.

I wonder how Washington’s Top247 recruits over that time span stack up in the draft? Marquis Spiker, Salvon Ahmed, Henry Hulabaloo, Milo Eifler, Ty Jones, Henry Roberts, Jacob Sirmon, Austin Osborne, Austin Joyner, Trey Lowe, Jack Browning, Bening Potato? Certainly those guys have been, or will be, drafted?

This poast screams trying too hard. Take this shit back to scoop duck

 

[lawsandl]

Appropriate response to development ranking.

 

[Sources]

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Appropriate response to development ranking.

Which part of the development process built on a rose bowl win with losses to OSU and Cal?

 

[RaceBannon]

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Appropriate response to development ranking.

Which part of the development process built on a rose bowl win with losses to OSU and Cal?

Cristobal only won with Helfrich players

 

[Tequilla]

View attachment 40898

Appropriate response to development ranking.

Which part of the development process built on a rose bowl win with losses to OSU and Cal?

Cristobal only won with Helfrich players

I like to say Helfrich recruited like shit ...

I like to give Mario credit for Herbert being a 1st rounder ...

I like to ignore the fact that Helfrich recruited Herbert ...

That’s what I like to do

 

[ntxduck]

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Appropriate response to development ranking.

Which part of the development process built on a rose bowl win with losses to OSU and Cal?

Cristobal only won with Helfrich players

I like to say Helfrich recruited like shit ...

I like to give Mario credit for Herbert being a 1st rounder ...

I like to ignore the fact that Helfrich recruited Herbert ...

That’s what I like to do

So Is the discussion about recruiting or development? Because helf coached herbs for 3 months (where herbs was awful) and Mario for 2 years, over which he improved massively

 

[1to392831weretaken]

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Appropriate response to development ranking.

Which part of the development process built on a rose bowl win with losses to OSU and Cal?

Cristobal only won with Helfrich players

I like to say Helfrich recruited like shit ...

I like to give Mario credit for Herbert being a 1st rounder ...

I like to ignore the fact that Helfrich recruited Herbert ...

That’s what I like to do

So Is the discussion about recruiting or development? Because helf coached herbs for 3 months (where herbs was awful) and Mario for 2 years, over which he improved massively

Yeah, but still.

 

[Tequilla]

View attachment 40898

Appropriate response to development ranking.

Which part of the development process built on a rose bowl win with losses to OSU and Cal?

Cristobal only won with Helfrich players

I like to say Helfrich recruited like shit ...

I like to give Mario credit for Herbert being a 1st rounder ...

I like to ignore the fact that Helfrich recruited Herbert ...

That’s what I like to do

So Is the discussion about recruiting or development? Because helf coached herbs for 3 months (where herbs was awful) and Mario for 2 years, over which he improved massively

You tell me how you want to move the goalposts

As for Herbert, he came a long way as a Senior so I’ll give him credit there

For as good as he was, he felt neutered a bit at Oregon as Mario heavily emphasized the power running game

I’ll be the first to admit that I didn’t see his NFL rookie year coming

 

[lawsandl]

View attachment 40898

Appropriate response to development ranking.

Which part of the development process built on a rose bowl win with losses to OSU and Cal?

Cristobal only won with Helfrich players

I like to say Helfrich recruited like shit ...

I like to give Mario credit for Herbert being a 1st rounder ...

I like to ignore the fact that Helfrich recruited Herbert ...

That’s what I like to do

So Is the discussion about recruiting or development? Because helf coached herbs for 3 months (where herbs was awful) and Mario for 2 years, over which he improved massively

You tell me how you want to move the goalposts

As for Herbert, he came a long way as a Senior so I’ll give him credit there

For as good as he was, he felt neutered a bit at Oregon as Mario heavily emphasized the power running game

I’ll be the first to admit that I didn’t see his NFL rookie year coming

Did you watch any of UNLV's offense last year? Tell me who handicapped Herbert. Mario went and got the creative Penn State OC last year and not the "run the damn ball" OC.

Honestly, I believe Cristobal's best attribute is the way he balances the roster and hires staff. I am slightly concerned about depth at corner. I would be happy to see Bobby Williams retire. If he lets his coordinators coach, development will be automatic.

 

[lawsandl]

Also, this is a frame that will look really good three years into an elite S&C program. He measured 6’5” 327.

 

[Tequilla]

View attachment 40898

Appropriate response to development ranking.

Which part of the development process built on a rose bowl win with losses to OSU and Cal?

Cristobal only won with Helfrich players

I like to say Helfrich recruited like shit ...

I like to give Mario credit for Herbert being a 1st rounder ...

I like to ignore the fact that Helfrich recruited Herbert ...

That’s what I like to do

So Is the discussion about recruiting or development? Because helf coached herbs for 3 months (where herbs was awful) and Mario for 2 years, over which he improved massively

You tell me how you want to move the goalposts

As for Herbert, he came a long way as a Senior so I’ll give him credit there

For as good as he was, he felt neutered a bit at Oregon as Mario heavily emphasized the power running game

I’ll be the first to admit that I didn’t see his NFL rookie year coming

Did you watch any of UNLV's offense last year? Tell me who handicapped Herbert. Mario went and got the creative Penn State OC last year and not the "run the damn ball" OC.

Honestly, I believe Cristobal's best attribute is the way he balances the roster and hires staff. I am slightly concerned about depth at corner. I would be happy to see Bobby Williams retire. If he lets his coordinators coach, development will be automatic.

I know Nevada’s offense sucked and obvious relation to Oregon

That said Mario is the HC and you don’t get to use the excuse that it was someone else’s fault when you’re the big boss. You hired them ... you’re responsible for them

As for Moorhead ... I’m not 1000% sure he’s as great as people think he is

 

[Tequilla]

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Also, this is a frame that will look really good three years into an elite S&C program. He measured 6’5” 327.

Oregon does have a history of big bodies in the middle

I can see why we cooled and probably walked away after he said thanks but no thanks

 

[lawsandl]

View attachment 40898

Appropriate response to development ranking.

Which part of the development process built on a rose bowl win with losses to OSU and Cal?

Cristobal only won with Helfrich players

I like to say Helfrich recruited like shit ...

I like to give Mario credit for Herbert being a 1st rounder ...

I like to ignore the fact that Helfrich recruited Herbert ...

That’s what I like to do

So Is the discussion about recruiting or development? Because helf coached herbs for 3 months (where herbs was awful) and Mario for 2 years, over which he improved massively

You tell me how you want to move the goalposts

As for Herbert, he came a long way as a Senior so I’ll give him credit there

For as good as he was, he felt neutered a bit at Oregon as Mario heavily emphasized the power running game

I’ll be the first to admit that I didn’t see his NFL rookie year coming

Did you watch any of UNLV's offense last year? Tell me who handicapped Herbert. Mario went and got the creative Penn State OC last year and not the "run the damn ball" OC.

Honestly, I believe Cristobal's best attribute is the way he balances the roster and hires staff. I am slightly concerned about depth at corner. I would be happy to see Bobby Williams retire. If he lets his coordinators coach, development will be automatic.

I know Nevada’s offense sucked and obvious relation to Oregon

That said Mario is the HC and you don’t get to use the excuse that it was someone else’s fault when you’re the big boss. You hired them ... you’re responsible for them

As for Moorhead ... I’m not 1000% sure he’s as great as people think he is

Of course you don't. Also fuck off with the NYEB. Also, Arroyo was the OC when he was hired and provided enough continuity to win the Rose Bowl.

Moorehead is good and an upgrade. NOC that you're not 1000% certain.

 

[Tequilla]

View attachment 40898

Appropriate response to development ranking.

Which part of the development process built on a rose bowl win with losses to OSU and Cal?

Cristobal only won with Helfrich players

I like to say Helfrich recruited like shit ...

I like to give Mario credit for Herbert being a 1st rounder ...

I like to ignore the fact that Helfrich recruited Herbert ...

That’s what I like to do

So Is the discussion about recruiting or development? Because helf coached herbs for 3 months (where herbs was awful) and Mario for 2 years, over which he improved massively

You tell me how you want to move the goalposts

As for Herbert, he came a long way as a Senior so I’ll give him credit there

For as good as he was, he felt neutered a bit at Oregon as Mario heavily emphasized the power running game

I’ll be the first to admit that I didn’t see his NFL rookie year coming

Did you watch any of UNLV's offense last year? Tell me who handicapped Herbert. Mario went and got the creative Penn State OC last year and not the "run the damn ball" OC.

Honestly, I believe Cristobal's best attribute is the way he balances the roster and hires staff. I am slightly concerned about depth at corner. I would be happy to see Bobby Williams retire. If he lets his coordinators coach, development will be automatic.

I know Nevada’s offense sucked and obvious relation to Oregon

That said Mario is the HC and you don’t get to use the excuse that it was someone else’s fault when you’re the big boss. You hired them ... you’re responsible for them

As for Moorhead ... I’m not 1000% sure he’s as great as people think he is

Of course you don't. Also fuck off with the NEB. Also, Arroyo was the OC when he was hired and provided enough continuity to win the Rose Bowl.

Classic Quook logic

Arroyo sucks ...

But he provided continuity to win a Rose Bowl

Can you play both ends more?

My thoughts on Moorhead basically are as follows:

He benefitted significantly from a RB like Barkley ... the offense took a step back the following year

The tenure at Mississippi St was muddled as there were some moments with Nick Fitzgerald but it got real ugly at the end

Hard to put too much stock in any thing from last year but if I was an Oregon fan I’d not be thrilled with how the QB position played out

So in that sense, while I acknowledge a decent resume of good for Moorhead, I also see some areas of concern.

Anything I’m saying about Moorhead at minimum it’s fair to say aunt Donovan so this isn’t me just bashing the Ducks just because

WTF are you talking about with NEB?

 

[whatshouldicareabout]

View attachment 40898

Appropriate response to development ranking.

Which part of the development process built on a rose bowl win with losses to OSU and Cal?

Cristobal only won with Helfrich players

I like to say Helfrich recruited like shit ...

I like to give Mario credit for Herbert being a 1st rounder ...

I like to ignore the fact that Helfrich recruited Herbert ...

That’s what I like to do

So Is the discussion about recruiting or development? Because helf coached herbs for 3 months (where herbs was awful) and Mario for 2 years, over which he improved massively

You tell me how you want to move the goalposts

As for Herbert, he came a long way as a Senior so I’ll give him credit there

For as good as he was, he felt neutered a bit at Oregon as Mario heavily emphasized the power running game

I’ll be the first to admit that I didn’t see his NFL rookie year coming

Did you watch any of UNLV's offense last year? Tell me who handicapped Herbert. Mario went and got the creative Penn State OC last year and not the "run the damn ball" OC.

Honestly, I believe Cristobal's best attribute is the way he balances the roster and hires staff. I am slightly concerned about depth at corner. I would be happy to see Bobby Williams retire. If he lets his coordinators coach, development will be automatic.

I know Nevada’s offense sucked and obvious relation to Oregon

That said Mario is the HC and you don’t get to use the excuse that it was someone else’s fault when you’re the big boss. You hired them ... you’re responsible for them

As for Moorhead ... I’m not 1000% sure he’s as great as people think he is

Of course you don't. Also fuck off with the NYEB. Also, Arroyo was the OC when he was hired and provided enough continuity to win the Rose Bowl.

Moorehead is good and an upgrade. NOC that you're not 1000% certain.

I'm 1000% certain he sucks until he doesn't

 

[lawsandl]

View attachment 40898

Appropriate response to development ranking.

Which part of the development process built on a rose bowl win with losses to OSU and Cal?

Cristobal only won with Helfrich players

I like to say Helfrich recruited like shit ...

I like to give Mario credit for Herbert being a 1st rounder ...

I like to ignore the fact that Helfrich recruited Herbert ...

That’s what I like to do

So Is the discussion about recruiting or development? Because helf coached herbs for 3 months (where herbs was awful) and Mario for 2 years, over which he improved massively

You tell me how you want to move the goalposts

As for Herbert, he came a long way as a Senior so I’ll give him credit there

For as good as he was, he felt neutered a bit at Oregon as Mario heavily emphasized the power running game

I’ll be the first to admit that I didn’t see his NFL rookie year coming

Did you watch any of UNLV's offense last year? Tell me who handicapped Herbert. Mario went and got the creative Penn State OC last year and not the "run the damn ball" OC.

Honestly, I believe Cristobal's best attribute is the way he balances the roster and hires staff. I am slightly concerned about depth at corner. I would be happy to see Bobby Williams retire. If he lets his coordinators coach, development will be automatic.

I know Nevada’s offense sucked and obvious relation to Oregon

That said Mario is the HC and you don’t get to use the excuse that it was someone else’s fault when you’re the big boss. You hired them ... you’re responsible for them

As for Moorhead ... I’m not 1000% sure he’s as great as people think he is

Of course you don't. Also fuck off with the NEB. Also, Arroyo was the OC when he was hired and provided enough continuity to win the Rose Bowl.

Classic Quook logic

Arroyo sucks ...

But he provided continuity to win a Rose Bowl

Can you play both ends more?

My thoughts on Moorhead basically are as follows:

He benefitted significantly from a RB like Barkley ... the offense took a step back the following year

The tenure at Mississippi St was muddled as there were some moments with Nick Fitzgerald but it got real ugly at the end

Hard to put too much stock in any thing from last year but if I was an Oregon fan I’d not be thrilled with how the QB position played out

So in that sense, while I acknowledge a decent resume of good for Moorhead, I also see some areas of concern.

Anything I’m saying about Moorhead at minimum it’s fair to say aunt Donovan so this isn’t me just bashing the Ducks just because

WTF are you talking about with NEB?

It's not quook logic to say Arroyo was below average and Mario wasn't punished for that. Mario's priority was S&C and the defensive coordinator. That was his constraint at the time of hiring.

Moorehead gives a positive coaching effect relative to the talent and he's consistently done that. Is he perfect? No. He's an upgrade. There's really not a lot of good coordinators in the PAC as well.

 

[Tequilla]

View attachment 40898

Appropriate response to development ranking.

Which part of the development process built on a rose bowl win with losses to OSU and Cal?

Cristobal only won with Helfrich players

I like to say Helfrich recruited like shit ...

I like to give Mario credit for Herbert being a 1st rounder ...

I like to ignore the fact that Helfrich recruited Herbert ...

That’s what I like to do

So Is the discussion about recruiting or development? Because helf coached herbs for 3 months (where herbs was awful) and Mario for 2 years, over which he improved massively

You tell me how you want to move the goalposts

As for Herbert, he came a long way as a Senior so I’ll give him credit there

For as good as he was, he felt neutered a bit at Oregon as Mario heavily emphasized the power running game

I’ll be the first to admit that I didn’t see his NFL rookie year coming

Did you watch any of UNLV's offense last year? Tell me who handicapped Herbert. Mario went and got the creative Penn State OC last year and not the "run the damn ball" OC.

Honestly, I believe Cristobal's best attribute is the way he balances the roster and hires staff. I am slightly concerned about depth at corner. I would be happy to see Bobby Williams retire. If he lets his coordinators coach, development will be automatic.

I know Nevada’s offense sucked and obvious relation to Oregon

That said Mario is the HC and you don’t get to use the excuse that it was someone else’s fault when you’re the big boss. You hired them ... you’re responsible for them

As for Moorhead ... I’m not 1000% sure he’s as great as people think he is

Of course you don't. Also fuck off with the NEB. Also, Arroyo was the OC when he was hired and provided enough continuity to win the Rose Bowl.

Classic Quook logic

Arroyo sucks ...

But he provided continuity to win a Rose Bowl

Can you play both ends more?

My thoughts on Moorhead basically are as follows:

He benefitted significantly from a RB like Barkley ... the offense took a step back the following year

The tenure at Mississippi St was muddled as there were some moments with Nick Fitzgerald but it got real ugly at the end

Hard to put too much stock in any thing from last year but if I was an Oregon fan I’d not be thrilled with how the QB position played out

So in that sense, while I acknowledge a decent resume of good for Moorhead, I also see some areas of concern.

Anything I’m saying about Moorhead at minimum it’s fair to say aunt Donovan so this isn’t me just bashing the Ducks just because

WTF are you talking about with NEB?

It's not quook logic to say Arroyo was below average and Mario wasn't punished for that. Mario's priority was S&C and the defensive coordinator. That was his constraint at the time of hiring.

Moorehead gives a positive coaching effect relative to the talent and he's consistently done that. Is he perfect? No. He's an upgrade. There's really not a lot of good coordinators in the PAC as well.

Whatever ... there’s always an excuse for Mario ... it’s fine and I get it the guy walks on water

Agree with you that P12 assistants in general leave a lot to be desired

 

[RaceBannon]

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Also, this is a frame that will look really good three years into an elite S&C program. He measured 6’5” 327.

Mix in a fucking salad