Save the Pac?
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rodmansrage
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The Pac-12 and leftover Big 12 will talk scenarios, one of which may just be combine their rights[/i]
helps cbs imo.
The Pac-12 and leftover Big 12 will talk scenarios, one of which may just be combine their rights[/i]
helps cbs imo.
RatherBeBrewing
New Fish
TAMU isn’t coming. They think that everyone here is a heroin junkie communist that sometimes cheers on their effeminate football team, the anteefas, if they’re not busy with sodomy and ballet. They’re not entirely wrong, but I refuse to listen to a school that couldn’t even build and decent bonfire like some type of slow cavemen.
The age of the super conference is upon us. There is no saving the Pacific Whatever Conference League. Or maybe it’s the opposite, don’t listen to me - I’m usually very wrong on these things.
A chance this kick starts the 16-24 team super league, and the leftovers scramble for tallest midget. A relegation system could create a real Hunger Games type spectacle.
I really thought that Texas and Oklahoma were just doing the hustle again, the one that leads the rest of the conference to spread ‘em and give then whatever they want. They used Orangebloods dot com and Larry Scott last time, it seemed like version II. But maybe it’s for real.
I’ve suggested Oregon and Washington going to the Big Ten for years.
As for saving the Pac... Why? Tradition? History? A chance to be pourer than Mizzou? Fuck that, I know we go all the way back to 1994 and Oregon is a founding member, but I say fuck everyone in the conference. Unless there is no better alternative and no invitation - in which case let’s see what we can do to preserve our shared history and future viability.
The age of the super conference is upon us. There is no saving the Pacific Whatever Conference League. Or maybe it’s the opposite, don’t listen to me - I’m usually very wrong on these things.
A chance this kick starts the 16-24 team super league, and the leftovers scramble for tallest midget. A relegation system could create a real Hunger Games type spectacle.
I really thought that Texas and Oklahoma were just doing the hustle again, the one that leads the rest of the conference to spread ‘em and give then whatever they want. They used Orangebloods dot com and Larry Scott last time, it seemed like version II. But maybe it’s for real.
I’ve suggested Oregon and Washington going to the Big Ten for years.
As for saving the Pac... Why? Tradition? History? A chance to be pourer than Mizzou? Fuck that, I know we go all the way back to 1994 and Oregon is a founding member, but I say fuck everyone in the conference. Unless there is no better alternative and no invitation - in which case let’s see what we can do to preserve our shared history and future viability.
MikeDamone
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That’s the answer. That way they players won’t be getting ripped off by the universities and they can get market value for their talents.
We could restore the original Pacific Coast league
Idaho and Montana come on down!
We beat Idaho
University of California, Berkeley (1915–1959)
University of Oregon (1915–1959)
Oregon State College (1915–1959)
University of Washington (1915–1959)
Washington State College (1917–1959)
Stanford University (1918–1959)
University of Idaho (1922–1959)
University of Southern California (1922–1959, suspended in 1924)
University of Montana (1924–1950)
University of California, Los Angeles (1928–1959)
Idaho and Montana come on down!
We beat Idaho
University of California, Berkeley (1915–1959)
University of Oregon (1915–1959)
Oregon State College (1915–1959)
University of Washington (1915–1959)
Washington State College (1917–1959)
Stanford University (1918–1959)
University of Idaho (1922–1959)
University of Southern California (1922–1959, suspended in 1924)
University of Montana (1924–1950)
University of California, Los Angeles (1928–1959)
Rivalries between the Pacific Coast Conference schools grew beyond athletics, with animosities around educational, financial and state rivalries. The tensions between the California and Northwest schools extended to Edwin Pauley, a regent of the University of California, disliking the member universities in the Pacific Northwest enough to advocate that the California institutions leave the Pacific Coast Conference to form a "California Conference."
The PCC had a history of being very strict with regards to its standards; it suspended the University of Southern California from the conference in 1924, performed a critical self-study in 1932, and a voluminous two-million-word report was compiled by Edwin Atherton in 1939. The PCC had a paid commissioner, an elaborate constitution, a formal code of conduct, and a system for reporting student-athlete eligibility. Following the submission of his report, Atherton was promptly hired as commissioner in 1940,[2] and served until his death four years later,[3] He was succeeded by his assistant, Victor O. Schmidt.[4]
The conference was wracked by scandal in 1951. Charges were made and confirmed that University of Oregon football coach Jim Aiken had violated the conference code for financial aid and athletic subsidies. After Aiken was compelled to resign, Oregon urged the PCC to look at similar abuses by UCLA football coach Red Sanders. The conference spent five years attempting to reform itself. In 1956, the scandal became public.
The scandal first broke at Washington, when in January 1956, several discontented players staged a mutiny against their coach, John Cherberg. After the coach was fired, the PCC followed up on charges of a slush fund. The PCC found evidence of the prohibited activities of the Greater Washington Advertising Fund run by Roscoe C. "Torchy" Torrance, and in May imposed sanctions.[5]
In March, allegations of prohibited payments made by two booster clubs associated with UCLA, the Bruin Bench and the Young Men's Club of Westwood, were published in Los Angeles newspapers.[5] UCLA refused for ten weeks to allow PCC officials to proceed in their investigation. Finally, UCLA admitted that, "all members of the football coaching staff had, for several years, known of the unsanctioned payments to student athletes and had cooperated with the booster club members or officers, who actually administered the program by actually referring student athletes to them for such aid." The scandal thickened as a UCLA alumnus and member of the UCLA athletic advisory board blew the whistle on a secret fund for payments in violation of PCC rules to University of Southern California players, known as the Southern California Educational Foundation.[6] This same alumnus also blew the whistle on Cal's phony work program for athletes known as the San Francisco Gridiron Club, with an extension in the Los Angeles area known as the South Seas Fund.[6]
In 1957, the conference fired Vic Schmidt, the commissioner. He had been tasked with cleaning up the conference, and had imposed sanctions on UCLA, including suspending athletes and prohibiting participation in the Rose Bowl for three years.[6]
Soon after the PCC was dissolved, five of its nine members (California, Washington, UCLA, Southern California, and Stanford) created the Athletic Association of Western Universities (AAWU) for the 1959 season. While the AAWU did not negotiate an agreement with the Pasadena Tournament of Roses Association to have a standing contractual invitation to the Rose Bowl Game until the following year, the Tournament of Roses did choose to invite the AAWU's inaugural regular season champion to the first post-PCC Rose Bowl.
After initially being blocked from admission, three of the four remaining schools would eventually join (Washington State in 1962, Oregon and Oregon State in 1964), but members were not required to play other members. Tensions were high between UCLA and Stanford, as Stanford had voted for UCLA's expulsion from the PCC.
Idaho was not involved in the scandals but had become noncompetitive in the PCC. Unlike Washington State, Oregon and Oregon State, Idaho did not pursue AAWU admission, and competed as an independent before becoming a charter member of the Big Sky Conference in 1963. Idaho retains no strong connections to its PCC past, other than a continuing rivalry with neighboring Washington State; the two land grant campuses are just eight miles (13 km) apart in the Palouse region.
The AAWU eventually strengthened its bonds and added members, renaming itself the Pacific-8 Conference (Pac-8) in 1968. By 1971, most Pac-8 schools played round-robin conference football schedules, and the two Oregon schools were again playing USC and UCLA on a regular basis. The conference added WAC powers Arizona and Arizona State in 1978 and became the Pacific-10 Conference (Pac-10). On July 1, 2011, the conference added Colorado from the Big 12 and Utah from the Mountain West (also a former WAC member) and became the Pac-12. The Pac-12 claims the PCC's history as its own, though it operates under a separate charter.
The PCC had a history of being very strict with regards to its standards; it suspended the University of Southern California from the conference in 1924, performed a critical self-study in 1932, and a voluminous two-million-word report was compiled by Edwin Atherton in 1939. The PCC had a paid commissioner, an elaborate constitution, a formal code of conduct, and a system for reporting student-athlete eligibility. Following the submission of his report, Atherton was promptly hired as commissioner in 1940,[2] and served until his death four years later,[3] He was succeeded by his assistant, Victor O. Schmidt.[4]
The conference was wracked by scandal in 1951. Charges were made and confirmed that University of Oregon football coach Jim Aiken had violated the conference code for financial aid and athletic subsidies. After Aiken was compelled to resign, Oregon urged the PCC to look at similar abuses by UCLA football coach Red Sanders. The conference spent five years attempting to reform itself. In 1956, the scandal became public.
The scandal first broke at Washington, when in January 1956, several discontented players staged a mutiny against their coach, John Cherberg. After the coach was fired, the PCC followed up on charges of a slush fund. The PCC found evidence of the prohibited activities of the Greater Washington Advertising Fund run by Roscoe C. "Torchy" Torrance, and in May imposed sanctions.[5]
In March, allegations of prohibited payments made by two booster clubs associated with UCLA, the Bruin Bench and the Young Men's Club of Westwood, were published in Los Angeles newspapers.[5] UCLA refused for ten weeks to allow PCC officials to proceed in their investigation. Finally, UCLA admitted that, "all members of the football coaching staff had, for several years, known of the unsanctioned payments to student athletes and had cooperated with the booster club members or officers, who actually administered the program by actually referring student athletes to them for such aid." The scandal thickened as a UCLA alumnus and member of the UCLA athletic advisory board blew the whistle on a secret fund for payments in violation of PCC rules to University of Southern California players, known as the Southern California Educational Foundation.[6] This same alumnus also blew the whistle on Cal's phony work program for athletes known as the San Francisco Gridiron Club, with an extension in the Los Angeles area known as the South Seas Fund.[6]
In 1957, the conference fired Vic Schmidt, the commissioner. He had been tasked with cleaning up the conference, and had imposed sanctions on UCLA, including suspending athletes and prohibiting participation in the Rose Bowl for three years.[6]
Soon after the PCC was dissolved, five of its nine members (California, Washington, UCLA, Southern California, and Stanford) created the Athletic Association of Western Universities (AAWU) for the 1959 season. While the AAWU did not negotiate an agreement with the Pasadena Tournament of Roses Association to have a standing contractual invitation to the Rose Bowl Game until the following year, the Tournament of Roses did choose to invite the AAWU's inaugural regular season champion to the first post-PCC Rose Bowl.
After initially being blocked from admission, three of the four remaining schools would eventually join (Washington State in 1962, Oregon and Oregon State in 1964), but members were not required to play other members. Tensions were high between UCLA and Stanford, as Stanford had voted for UCLA's expulsion from the PCC.
Idaho was not involved in the scandals but had become noncompetitive in the PCC. Unlike Washington State, Oregon and Oregon State, Idaho did not pursue AAWU admission, and competed as an independent before becoming a charter member of the Big Sky Conference in 1963. Idaho retains no strong connections to its PCC past, other than a continuing rivalry with neighboring Washington State; the two land grant campuses are just eight miles (13 km) apart in the Palouse region.
The AAWU eventually strengthened its bonds and added members, renaming itself the Pacific-8 Conference (Pac-8) in 1968. By 1971, most Pac-8 schools played round-robin conference football schedules, and the two Oregon schools were again playing USC and UCLA on a regular basis. The conference added WAC powers Arizona and Arizona State in 1978 and became the Pacific-10 Conference (Pac-10). On July 1, 2011, the conference added Colorado from the Big 12 and Utah from the Mountain West (also a former WAC member) and became the Pac-12. The Pac-12 claims the PCC's history as its own, though it operates under a separate charter.
Players have always been paid. And the Pac has always destroyed those who cheated best to win. Red Sanders won the last natty for UCLA
AtomicDawg
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It’s time for uw to join the big sky.
In reality. Even though our fanbase doesn’t give a shit any more, when these things happen the size of the tv market seems to be the only thing that matters. Maybe that saves uw somehow. But even if it does the admin still thinks they’re sports educators and is going to be boat raced by the real programs in whatever conference they join.
I for one enjoy watching this unfold though.
In reality. Even though our fanbase doesn’t give a shit any more, when these things happen the size of the tv market seems to be the only thing that matters. Maybe that saves uw somehow. But even if it does the admin still thinks they’re sports educators and is going to be boat raced by the real programs in whatever conference they join.
I for one enjoy watching this unfold though.
In the 80's Seattle was a top TV market for college football. Big ratings both for Husky games and games in general
AtomicDawg
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We are an Asian academic school now and the admin has wrecked much of the sidewalk alumni that were big fans and season tickets holders. All those types in the region now are either duck or sec fans.
PostGameOrangeSlices
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The Pac 12 isnt going anywhere and Id be surprised if it even expanded
If there is talk of 20 team conferences (and I saw some rumor of the rest of the Big 12 reaching out to the Pac12 to make one) then it needs to be the best 6 schools in the PAC going to the Big 10. And maybe the Big 10 needs to lose a member or two. But it makes a ton of sense to have two 10 team divisions and gee I don’t know MAYBE PLAY THE CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME IN THE ROSE BOWL BETWEEN EAST AND WEST.
Goodbye Rutgers.
West:
Nebraska, Iowa Minnesota
UW
UO
4 Cali schools
Colorado
Goodbye Rutgers.
West:
Nebraska, Iowa Minnesota
UW
UO
4 Cali schools
Colorado
I can see Oregon wanting to go to the B1G but I don't see UCLA's president approving anything like that. Probably the same case for SC, if they don't even give enough of a shit to fire a bad coach why do they care enough to leave the conference with the other 3 big California schools?
PostGameOrangeSlices
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The pac 12 is perfect the way it is. We dont need big 12 afterthoughts diluting the conference.
The remnants of the big 12 should pick up boise and byu, maybe Houston and Cincinnati. Would be fine
The remnants of the big 12 should pick up boise and byu, maybe Houston and Cincinnati. Would be fine
And this is why the Pac 12 and UW suck
NYBE kid
It isn't fine how it is. They fucked it up last time. Fuck it up this time and its over
I'd love to keep it the same. I'd love to go back to 8 teams. But that ship sailed
PostGameOrangeSlices
Well-known poster
The pac 12 sucks because it hasnt dont anything in 5 years in football.
If the pac 12 wins, that is far more important than adding Houston, Okie State, etc
Expansion would fucking suck.
The SEC isnt doing itself any favors. Im not a fan of this move at all. There are too many fucking teams in that conference now, it's ridiculous.
What's going to happen when OU and Texas never sniff success?
The next time realignment happens it will be thr B1G or SEC losing members to form a new conference. Cook it.