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[RoadDawg55]

I think Chriss will be a good defender. The problem is athleticism does not always equal playing good defense. Some of these guys will be dumbasses with very little to no concept of team defense, they will ball watch too often, give inconsistent effort, etc.

 

[FreeChavez]

Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.

Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.

This class has much more athleticism than Dorsey. Don't expect them to be physically limited on defense.

Juco and transfer may be okay, but i don't expect any frosh to be good on defense. It's less common than frosh who can score consistently. It may be the speed, physical nature, or just the fact that many of these kids have never actually played defense before(thanks AAU). I just don't see this as being a good mix. Usually you need some experience on the floor to make your defense less exposed playing youngn's. Instead it's going to be a full team of them.

I agree, the athletes are better and over a year or two development they could be WAY better defensively, but next year is going to be ugly. Everyone remember the likes of Ross trying to play defense his frosh year???? Where'd whooooo gooooo?

Murray and Thybulle are both good defenders.

Murray will lead the team in steals next year. Guaranteed.

Wroten led the team in steals and was absolutely horrid on defense. Steals can be a good tracking of defensive ability, and it also can be a complete misnomer. I don't know which murray will be, but he seems different than wroten in pure effort, so i expect him to be better.

But ross wasn't the wroten type defender and elite athlete and struggled quite a bit on team defense.

One on one players can get away with a lot defensively. But team defense, the thing UW has been getting smoked on the last few years will most likely be very poor.

 

[FreeChavez]

Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.

Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.

This class has much more athleticism than Dorsey. Don't expect them to be physically limited on defense.

Juco and transfer may be okay, but i don't expect any frosh to be good on defense. It's less common than frosh who can score consistently. It may be the speed, physical nature, or just the fact that many of these kids have never actually played defense before(thanks AAU). I just don't see this as being a good mix. Usually you need some experience on the floor to make your defense less exposed playing youngn's. Instead it's going to be a full team of them.

I agree, the athletes are better and over a year or two development they could be WAY better defensively, but next year is going to be ugly. Everyone remember the likes of Ross trying to play defense his frosh year???? Where'd whooooo gooooo?

How the fuck does Coach Cal do it? Terrence Jones outplayed MBA head to head, and I'm positive Terrance Ross and Wroten would have excelled playing Kentucky ball as true Freshman. So is it the coach or the system? Duke and a ton of other schools not named UW can play true freshman, and succeed.

Anyway, Dime looks like he may actually be good next year.http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Malik-Dime-155479

If you really think that UK and UW are getting anywhere near the same level of players........come on. UK is the only school outside of one year of the FAB 5 who has played predominately frosh and won at a high level. Yes, teams like duke will have a couple of frosh, but they are also top 10 guys. They are not winning consistently with the 4* 80th prospect. Outside of UK, they also team those elite frosh with elite soph and sometimes upper classmen.

Getting a guy in the top 10-15 in the country each year(or 5 of them in UK's case), is not even close to the same as having 5 players ranked 60-100. It is the coach somewhat, but it's also the player(s). You need ELITE guys, not really good guys.

The coach does have something to do with it, as CAL has proved. Romar's worst coaching job was having terrance, cj and wroten on a team and not going far. Cal would have done so much more with that roster.

The elite 8 last year:

Notre Dame
UK
Wisc
Zona
Ville'
Michigan St
Duke
GU

 

[ThomasFremont]

Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.

Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.

This class has much more athleticism than Dorsey. Don't expect them to be physically limited on defense.

Juco and transfer may be okay, but i don't expect any frosh to be good on defense. It's less common than frosh who can score consistently. It may be the speed, physical nature, or just the fact that many of these kids have never actually played defense before(thanks AAU). I just don't see this as being a good mix. Usually you need some experience on the floor to make your defense less exposed playing youngn's. Instead it's going to be a full team of them.

I agree, the athletes are better and over a year or two development they could be WAY better defensively, but next year is going to be ugly. Everyone remember the likes of Ross trying to play defense his frosh year???? Where'd whooooo gooooo?

Murray and Thybulle are both good defenders.

Murray will lead the team in steals next year. Guaranteed.

Wroten led the team in steals and was absolutely horrid on defense. Steals can be a good tracking of defensive ability, and it also can be a complete misnomer. I don't know which murray will be, but he seems different than wroten in pure effort, so i expect him to be better.

But ross wasn't the wroten type defender and elite athlete and struggled quite a bit on team defense.

One on one players can get away with a lot defensively. But team defense, the thing UW has been getting smoked on the last few years will most likely be very poor.

Have you ever seen RBV play? Their team defense is their calling card. The fast break points they get off steals compensate for their lack of a half court offense (sound familiar?). Murray is quick, has long arms, and constantly disrupts passing lanes. He has great hands too. Not just coordinated, but strong. Lots of guys tip passes or loose balls, but he manages to control them. Also helps his rebounding/put backs.

I get what you are saying re: Wroten and steals, but Murray doesn't go for the all or nothing steals Wroten was notorious for (OLE!!!). He does have Wroten's quickness/speed. Also, let's not pretend another Tony Wroten wouldn't be a huge upgrade over the dreck we have been watching since he left.

 

[NeGgaPlEaSe]

Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.

Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.

This class has much more athleticism than Dorsey. Don't expect them to be physically limited on defense.

Juco and transfer may be okay, but i don't expect any frosh to be good on defense. It's less common than frosh who can score consistently. It may be the speed, physical nature, or just the fact that many of these kids have never actually played defense before(thanks AAU). I just don't see this as being a good mix. Usually you need some experience on the floor to make your defense less exposed playing youngn's. Instead it's going to be a full team of them.

I agree, the athletes are better and over a year or two development they could be WAY better defensively, but next year is going to be ugly. Everyone remember the likes of Ross trying to play defense his frosh year???? Where'd whooooo gooooo?

How the fuck does Coach Cal do it? Terrence Jones outplayed MBA head to head, and I'm positive Terrance Ross and Wroten would have excelled playing Kentucky ball as true Freshman. So is it the coach or the system? Duke and a ton of other schools not named UW can play true freshman, and succeed.

Anyway, Dime looks like he may actually be good next year.http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Malik-Dime-155479

If you really think that UK and UW are getting anywhere near the same level of players........come on. UK is the only school outside of one year of the FAB 5 who has played predominately frosh and won at a high level. Yes, teams like duke will have a couple of frosh, but they are also top 10 guys. They are not winning consistently with the 4* 80th prospect. Outside of UK, they also team those elite frosh with elite soph and sometimes upper classmen.

Getting a guy in the top 10-15 in the country each year(or 5 of them in UK's case), is not even close to the same as having 5 players ranked 60-100. It is the coach somewhat, but it's also the player(s). You need ELITE guys, not really good guys.

The coach does have something to do with it, as CAL has proved. Romar's worst coaching job was having terrance, cj and wroten on a team and not going far. Cal would have done so much more with that roster.

The elite 8 last year:

Notre Dame
UK
Wisc
Zona
Ville'
Michigan St
Duke
GU

Romar could take the Kentucky class and fuck it up and I am positive Cal could have taken Ross, Wroten and Wilcox into the NCAA tournament. My point was Terrance Jones played great for Cal and would have probably under achieved at Washington under Romar as a freshman

 

[RoadDawg55]

Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.

Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.

This class has much more athleticism than Dorsey. Don't expect them to be physically limited on defense.

Juco and transfer may be okay, but i don't expect any frosh to be good on defense. It's less common than frosh who can score consistently. It may be the speed, physical nature, or just the fact that many of these kids have never actually played defense before(thanks AAU). I just don't see this as being a good mix. Usually you need some experience on the floor to make your defense less exposed playing youngn's. Instead it's going to be a full team of them.

I agree, the athletes are better and over a year or two development they could be WAY better defensively, but next year is going to be ugly. Everyone remember the likes of Ross trying to play defense his frosh year???? Where'd whooooo gooooo?

How the fuck does Coach Cal do it? Terrence Jones outplayed MBA head to head, and I'm positive Terrance Ross and Wroten would have excelled playing Kentucky ball as true Freshman. So is it the coach or the system? Duke and a ton of other schools not named UW can play true freshman, and succeed.

Anyway, Dime looks like he may actually be good next year.http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Malik-Dime-155479

If you really think that UK and UW are getting anywhere near the same level of players........come on. UK is the only school outside of one year of the FAB 5 who has played predominately frosh and won at a high level. Yes, teams like duke will have a couple of frosh, but they are also top 10 guys. They are not winning consistently with the 4* 80th prospect. Outside of UK, they also team those elite frosh with elite soph and sometimes upper classmen.

Getting a guy in the top 10-15 in the country each year(or 5 of them in UK's case), is not even close to the same as having 5 players ranked 60-100. It is the coach somewhat, but it's also the player(s). You need ELITE guys, not really good guys.

The coach does have something to do with it, as CAL has proved. Romar's worst coaching job was having terrance, cj and wroten on a team and not going far. Cal would have done so much more with that roster.

The elite 8 last year:

Notre Dame
UK
Wisc
Zona
Ville'
Michigan St
Duke
GU

Romar could take the Kentucky class and fuck it up and I am positive Cal could have taken Ross, Wroten and Wilcox into the NCAA tournament. My point was Terrance Jones played great for Cal and would have probably under achieved at Washington under Romar as a freshman

Completely agree with your premise, but Terrance Jones would have been good at UW. Substitute him for Gant and taking 5-10 of Aziz/MBA's minutes. He was the missing link. MBA, Jones, Holliday, Ross/Wilcox, and IT as a late season line up... Damn. Aziz, Ross/Wilcox, Suggs, Venoy off the bench. That's a hell of a team.

As it was, I still can't believe that team was a #7 seed that was squarely on the bubble before winning the Pac 10 tournament.

 

[FreeChavez]

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Also, let's not pretend another Tony Wroten @ThomasFremont wouldn't be a huge upgrade over the dreck we have been watching since he left.[/QUOTE]

 

[ThomasFremont]

Also, let's not pretend another Tony Wroten @ThomasFremont wouldn't be a huge upgrade over the dreck we have been watching since he left.[/QUOTE]

[/QUOTE]

Does this mean you missed me?

 

[Doogles]

Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.

Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.

This class has much more athleticism than Dorsey. Don't expect them to be physically limited on defense.

Juco and transfer may be okay, but i don't expect any frosh to be good on defense. It's less common than frosh who can score consistently. It may be the speed, physical nature, or just the fact that many of these kids have never actually played defense before(thanks AAU). I just don't see this as being a good mix. Usually you need some experience on the floor to make your defense less exposed playing youngn's. Instead it's going to be a full team of them.

I agree, the athletes are better and over a year or two development they could be WAY better defensively, but next year is going to be ugly. Everyone remember the likes of Ross trying to play defense his frosh year???? Where'd whooooo gooooo?

How the fuck does Coach Cal do it? Terrence Jones outplayed MBA head to head, and I'm positive Terrance Ross and Wroten would have excelled playing Kentucky ball as true Freshman. So is it the coach or the system? Duke and a ton of other schools not named UW can play true freshman, and succeed.

Anyway, Dime looks like he may actually be good next year.http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Malik-Dime-155479

If you really think that UK and UW are getting anywhere near the same level of players........come on. UK is the only school outside of one year of the FAB 5 who has played predominately frosh and won at a high level. Yes, teams like duke will have a couple of frosh, but they are also top 10 guys. They are not winning consistently with the 4* 80th prospect. Outside of UK, they also team those elite frosh with elite soph and sometimes upper classmen.

Getting a guy in the top 10-15 in the country each year(or 5 of them in UK's case), is not even close to the same as having 5 players ranked 60-100. It is the coach somewhat, but it's also the player(s). You need ELITE guys, not really good guys.

The coach does have something to do with it, as CAL has proved. Romar's worst coaching job was having terrance, cj and wroten on a team and not going far. Cal would have done so much more with that roster.

The elite 8 last year:

Notre Dame
UK
Wisc
Zona
Ville'
Michigan St
Duke
GU

Romar could take the Kentucky class and fuck it up and I am positive Cal could have taken Ross, Wroten and Wilcox into the NCAA tournament. My point was Terrance Jones played great for Cal and would have probably under achieved at Washington under Romar as a freshman

Completely agree with your premise, but Terrance Jones would have been good at UW. Substitute him for Gant and taking 5-10 of Aziz/MBA's minutes. He was the missing link. MBA, Jones, Holliday, Ross/Wilcox, and IT as a late season line up... Damn. Aziz, Ross/Wilcox, Suggs, Venoy off the bench. That's a hell of a team.

As it was, I still can't believe that team was a #7 seed that was squarely on the bubble before winning the Pac 10 tournament.

This shit pisses me off. I feel like most of Romar teams would be re ranked much higher based on talent in retrospect. It's pretty incredible how little we've done with the goods at hand.

You just have to be in the top 68. It's not football. The Dean of Pac 12 ball should understand this.

 

[FreeChavez]

Remember the season that Dorsey had? Expect that for a lot of these guys, with the exception they will have more opportunities to work through (at least hopefully) their issues in game situations.

Agree, but most of these guys, except possibly Green, have more to offer than Dorsey.

This class has much more athleticism than Dorsey. Don't expect them to be physically limited on defense.

Juco and transfer may be okay, but i don't expect any frosh to be good on defense. It's less common than frosh who can score consistently. It may be the speed, physical nature, or just the fact that many of these kids have never actually played defense before(thanks AAU). I just don't see this as being a good mix. Usually you need some experience on the floor to make your defense less exposed playing youngn's. Instead it's going to be a full team of them.

I agree, the athletes are better and over a year or two development they could be WAY better defensively, but next year is going to be ugly. Everyone remember the likes of Ross trying to play defense his frosh year???? Where'd whooooo gooooo?

How the fuck does Coach Cal do it? Terrence Jones outplayed MBA head to head, and I'm positive Terrance Ross and Wroten would have excelled playing Kentucky ball as true Freshman. So is it the coach or the system? Duke and a ton of other schools not named UW can play true freshman, and succeed.

Anyway, Dime looks like he may actually be good next year.http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Malik-Dime-155479

If you really think that UK and UW are getting anywhere near the same level of players........come on. UK is the only school outside of one year of the FAB 5 who has played predominately frosh and won at a high level. Yes, teams like duke will have a couple of frosh, but they are also top 10 guys. They are not winning consistently with the 4* 80th prospect. Outside of UK, they also team those elite frosh with elite soph and sometimes upper classmen.

Getting a guy in the top 10-15 in the country each year(or 5 of them in UK's case), is not even close to the same as having 5 players ranked 60-100. It is the coach somewhat, but it's also the player(s). You need ELITE guys, not really good guys.

The coach does have something to do with it, as CAL has proved. Romar's worst coaching job was having terrance, cj and wroten on a team and not going far. Cal would have done so much more with that roster.

The elite 8 last year:

Notre Dame
UK
Wisc
Zona
Ville'
Michigan St
Duke
GU

Romar could take the Kentucky class and fuck it up and I am positive Cal could have taken Ross, Wroten and Wilcox into the NCAA tournament. My point was Terrance Jones played great for Cal and would have probably under achieved at Washington under Romar as a freshman

Completely agree with your premise, but Terrance Jones would have been good at UW. Substitute him for Gant and taking 5-10 of Aziz/MBA's minutes. He was the missing link. MBA, Jones, Holliday, Ross/Wilcox, and IT as a late season line up... Damn. Aziz, Ross/Wilcox, Suggs, Venoy off the bench. That's a hell of a team.

As it was, I still can't believe that team was a #7 seed that was squarely on the bubble before winning the Pac 10 tournament.

This shit pisses me off. I feel like most of Romar teams would be re ranked much higher based on talent in retrospect. It's pretty incredible how little we've done with the goods at hand.

You just have to be in the top 68. It's not football. The Dean of Pac 12 ball should understand this.

3 first round picks out of 5 starters isn't good enough. Obviously you just don't get basketball

#lifetimecontract

 

[huskyhooligan]

Watched some of the NSC league, only saw 4 of the new guys. Thybulle looked the best. Green was impressive as well. Dickerson isn't massive as originally though but he runs the floor well. Crisp likes to let it fly.