What article or amendment to the US Constitution makes it the United States’ responsibility to pay for the country that didn’t “start it”?
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HHusky
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I didn't know anyone was saying it's our responsibility. Can you point that person out?
What are you saying then? That it’s our obligation to continue to throw good money after bad into a bogged down kill zone?
HFNY
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There is some merit to that argument but after 3 years, would you not agree that it is seeing the law of diminishing returns? In other words, if the USA sends another $60 or $70 billion a year, will it degrade Russia's capability to wage war more than that money did in 2022, 2023, or 2024? I would say no.
I would also argue that Communist China is the much bigger threat to the USA and allies in the Pacific than Russia is to our allies in Europe. We have provided substantially more financial and military support to Ukraine than any other country. If Ukraine needs $150 billion a year to continue fighting Russia, why can't Europe provide that in 2026 and beyond? Of course if Europe was really serious about ending this war, they would risk their own soldiers too (about 30,000 would do) but they don't have the stomach for it. Hence, they want the USA to keep pumping tens of billions in so they don't have to.
I also think it's disingenuous of Zelinkskyy to lecture the Trump administration on the war when he refuses to drop the draft age to 21. When the USA was attacked by Japan at the beginning of WWII, the draft age was 18 but pretty much every able bodied male enlisted because they wanted revenge.
If so many Ukrainians don't want to fight, why should the USA continue borrowing money to send it over there?
Ukraine's desperate need for soldiers spurs exodus of young men
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HHusky
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And to pretend that China will not take note of our unwillingness to stay the course is part of the problem with that argument. We tire of these efforts and authoritarians know we do.
He tried to help Ukraine... Zelensky shit the bed in the signing ceremony
If it’s in “our” self-interest, then surely you must advocate sending US troops to aid the Ukrainians, who are dying by the hundreds each month, and are literally pulling people off the streets to conscript them into the military. If not, then you’re an even bigger piece of shit than I already know you are.
H the Chickenhawk and his little buddy KM.
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HHusky
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So you have no ideas for a path to victory for Ukraine, you’re just bitching as always as people are dying.
Typical HHelmet nonsense.
Typical HHelmet nonsense.
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How many years and millions of deaths are enough for a stalemate? The only way Ukraine gets it's land back is if US troops go in... do you really want that? And yeah US troops openly shooting Russian Troops would go over great in the Kremlin.
H is a fucking idiot. The only thing he knows is to oppose “conservatives.”
H trying to pivot to realpolitik 3 years later. Fucking doofus.
This argument made sense then. Now? Not so much.
Russia has largely been neutered at this point. They aren't invading anyone else for a decade or more...if they survive as a country.
US coldwar stockpiles have largely been depleted. It's time to restock and rearm for the Pacific.
The Euros have completely failed in their promises. They either should have been splashing cash at US arms manufacturers or building out their own capacity. They did neither at scale. Let them foot the bill now if they want.
This argument made sense then. Now? Not so much.
Russia has largely been neutered at this point. They aren't invading anyone else for a decade or more...if they survive as a country.
US coldwar stockpiles have largely been depleted. It's time to restock and rearm for the Pacific.
The Euros have completely failed in their promises. They either should have been splashing cash at US arms manufacturers or building out their own capacity. They did neither at scale. Let them foot the bill now if they want.
And we are supposed to keep paying for that? What if Putin decides enough is enough and uses tactical nukes... then what...
HFNY
Well-known poster
Comparing Russia and China is really apples and oranges. Russia can barely project power beyond their own border.
Again, you’re talking to a fucking idiot.
He has no idea what he wants in this other than to look stupid and troll the Tug. That’s it. That’s H.
How does Ukraine win this war, H, and what does winning it look like at the end?
Answer a question for once.
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HHusky
New Fish
“Conservatives” who want to appease Russia. With conservatives like that, who needs leftists?
What does ”appeasing” Russia mean, Big Brain?
You’re the one cheerleading for even more death with the status quo.
You’re the one cheerleading for even more death with the status quo.