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[FKA_Mousecop]

I love the list but I would swap #4 and #5. An all-galaxy CB is immensely valuable

Agreed. RB is definitely too high.

I know I'll be way in the minority on this but I'd probably take an elite WR over an elite RB quite honestly, especially given how rare it is for a an elite WR to come out of the state of Washington compared to an elite RB. We? produce RB's much better than WR's.

We definitely produce more high3/4* RBs, but when was the last time we had a truly elite RB out of HS in the state of Washington? As far as pass-catchers go We've had Kasen Williams, Reggie Williams, Kavario Middleton, Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, etc.

I mean, obviously Jonathan Stewart came from Washington, but I can't recall as many RBs as WRs.

We produce TE's very well, no argument there.

As far as WR is concerned, Kasen's the one five star at WR since Reggie, who was a 2001 recruit. And I've long been of the opinion that Kasen (like Middleton) was highly overrated.

As far as RB, if we'll go all the way back to Reggie we might as well go back to Paul Arnold. So that's as many five stars at the position. So maybe elite was the wrong word. But it feels to me like there have been far more good/very good RB's in state than WR's since then. I can't really think of any other four star caliber in state WR's besides Craig Chambers and Jermaine Kearse (and Cody Bruns, by one site). I'm sure I'm forgetting someone. But other than Kearse basically every good receiver we've had since Reggie has been out of state that I can recall.

RB, by contrast, has had a nice run of in state studs, especially lately:

@GrandpaSankey's progeny
Gaskin
Salvon
Snowboarder
TreShaun (assuming he'll be an RB since that what DDY says and he knows this shit better than I do)

That's way more in state talent than WR's produced since Reggie. And to me Sankey and Gaskin at least are elite, 5 stars or not. Salvon too. I can't say that about Kearse, who was good but never elite.

Again, I'm sure I'm forgetting someone (probably both at RB and WR), but to me it feels like Washington's turning out a highly regarded RB at least every two years whereas at WR it's more like every five or six.

Yeah I definitely agree with you here. More "quality" RBs definitely come from the state than WRs. Culp probably ends up at TE, so our best WR ends up being Mason Starling or some other mid/low 3* type.

One name to look out for is 2020 WR Gee Scott from EC. He should be a 4* as his recruiting cycle nears.

 

[Tequilla]

A good RB behind a great line is an all-conference caliber RB ...

When you get a great RB behind a great OL that's when you're able to dictate at all levels.

But generally speaking, elite teams take away the running game first and foremost. With the way football is played today, you are looking at needing to have elite pass catchers to be difference makers.

 

[dnc]

A good RB behind a great line is an all-conference caliber RB ...

When you get a great RB behind a great OL that's when you're able to dictate at all levels.

But generally speaking, elite teams take away the running game first and foremost. With the way football is played today, you are looking at needing to have elite pass catchers to be difference makers.

Right. I think the line is more important overall to the running game than the RB is. That's not to say RB's are a dime a dozen - a great one is a huge weapon. I just think it's easier for us to acquire good/great RB's than it is good/great WR's. Although Bush doesn't seem to care about degree of difficulty.

 

[Dennis_DeYoung]

I love the list but I would swap #4 and #5. An all-galaxy CB is immensely valuable

Agreed. RB is definitely too high.

I know I'll be way in the minority on this but I'd probably take an elite WR over an elite RB quite honestly, especially given how rare it is for a an elite WR to come out of the state of Washington compared to an elite RB. We? produce RB's much better than WR's.

We definitely produce more high3/4* RBs, but when was the last time we had a truly elite RB out of HS in the state of Washington? As far as pass-catchers go We've had Kasen Williams, Reggie Williams, Kavario Middleton, Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, etc.

I mean, obviously Jonathan Stewart came from Washington, but I can't recall as many RBs as WRs.

Jesus Christ you are truly one of the most clueless TBSers I've ever encountered and you won't fucking shut up.

 

[Tequilla]

I love the list but I would swap #4 and #5. An all-galaxy CB is immensely valuable

Agreed. RB is definitely too high.

I know I'll be way in the minority on this but I'd probably take an elite WR over an elite RB quite honestly, especially given how rare it is for a an elite WR to come out of the state of Washington compared to an elite RB. We? produce RB's much better than WR's.

We definitely produce more high3/4* RBs, but when was the last time we had a truly elite RB out of HS in the state of Washington? As far as pass-catchers go We've had Kasen Williams, Reggie Williams, Kavario Middleton, Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, etc.

I mean, obviously Jonathan Stewart came from Washington, but I can't recall as many RBs as WRs.

Jesus Christ you are truly one of the most clueless TBSers I've ever encountered and you won't fucking shut up.

Why do you hate people that try hard?

I'm thinking MouseBacon is the Cort Dennison of Hardcore Husky posters

 

[Dennis_DeYoung]

I love the list but I would swap #4 and #5. An all-galaxy CB is immensely valuable

Agreed. RB is definitely too high.

I know I'll be way in the minority on this but I'd probably take an elite WR over an elite RB quite honestly, especially given how rare it is for a an elite WR to come out of the state of Washington compared to an elite RB. We? produce RB's much better than WR's.

Hmmmm... so serious question, who would you rather have on your team, Corey Dillon or Desmond Trufant?

I would go with Dillon 10/10. And I love Desmond Trufant.

And Corey was picked in the second round.

When you have an elite player at TB he sees the ball 30 times/game (or, in our offense, 12-18) and that sort of production really matters.

If you have an elite CB he only prevents like 6 out of 8 receptions for the opposing WR.

 

[Dennis_DeYoung]

We produce everything randomly outside of QBs, TEs and OLs because we have no black population.

I've said it a million times, if you guys really care about Husky football we would all think of a way to get a million black people to relocate from Mississippi or some other godforsaken shit bag state that is 10billion percent racist and do some program where they all move here.

Black people rule, white people drool and make good QBs/TEs and OLs.

 

[dnc]

I love the list but I would swap #4 and #5. An all-galaxy CB is immensely valuable

Agreed. RB is definitely too high.

I know I'll be way in the minority on this but I'd probably take an elite WR over an elite RB quite honestly, especially given how rare it is for a an elite WR to come out of the state of Washington compared to an elite RB. We? produce RB's much better than WR's.

Hmmmm... so serious question, who would you rather have on your team, Corey Dillon or Desmond Trufant?

I would go with Dillon 10/10. And I love Desmond Trufant.

And Corey was picked in the second round.

When you have an elite player at TB he sees the ball 30 times/game (or, in our offense, 12-18) and that sort of production really matters.

If you have an elite CB he only prevents like 6 out of 8 receptions for the opposing WR.

Unfair question because I am totally gay for Corey Dillon. IIRC he was only a second rounder because of off the field concerns, he was clearly an all world talent.

Give me four years of Corey Dillon over any CB who ever played at UW. But I'll take three years of Sidney Jones over every other RB we've had in my lifetime. Same for Marcus Peters.

BTW, no RB sees the ball 30 times a game anymore. Those days are long gone.

 

[dnc]

We produce everything randomly outside of QBs, TEs and OLs because we have no black population.

I've said it a million times, if you guys really care about Husky football we would all think of a way to get a million black people to relocate from Mississippi or some other godforsaken shit bag state that is 10billion percent racist and do some program where they all move here.

Black people rule, white people drool and make good QBs/TEs and OLs.

This is true, but our black population seems to randomly produce RB's at a much faster pace than WR's. Perhaps it really is just random, perhaps it's a function of the way kids are used by the high school programs here, I'm not sure. But I know it's rare for Washington state to produce a WR worth a damn.

 

[Dennis_DeYoung]

I love the list but I would swap #4 and #5. An all-galaxy CB is immensely valuable

Agreed. RB is definitely too high.

I know I'll be way in the minority on this but I'd probably take an elite WR over an elite RB quite honestly, especially given how rare it is for a an elite WR to come out of the state of Washington compared to an elite RB. We? produce RB's much better than WR's.

Hmmmm... so serious question, who would you rather have on your team, Corey Dillon or Desmond Trufant?

I would go with Dillon 10/10. And I love Desmond Trufant.

And Corey was picked in the second round.

When you have an elite player at TB he sees the ball 30 times/game (or, in our offense, 12-18) and that sort of production really matters.

If you have an elite CB he only prevents like 6 out of 8 receptions for the opposing WR.

Unfair question because I am totally gay for Corey Dillon. IIRC he was only a second rounder because of off the field concerns, he was clearly an all world talent.

Give me four years of Corey Dillon over any CB who ever played at UW. But I'll take three years of Sidney Jones over every other RB we've had in my lifetime. Same for Marcus Peters.

BTW, no RB sees the ball 30 times a game anymore. Those days are long gone.

BUT STILL...

Anyway, seriously - running backs can change games if they are really good. You need to be Deion Sanders to affect a game the way a tailback does.

Now, if you ask me would I rather have Kev King and Sid Jones or a great tailback, that's easy, but in terms of 1 player, I'd rather have a truly great RB.

 

[Dennis_DeYoung]

We produce everything randomly outside of QBs, TEs and OLs because we have no black population.

I've said it a million times, if you guys really care about Husky football we would all think of a way to get a million black people to relocate from Mississippi or some other godforsaken shit bag state that is 10billion percent racist and do some program where they all move here.

Black people rule, white people drool and make good QBs/TEs and OLs.

This is true, but our black population seems to randomly produce RB's at a much faster pace than WR's. Perhaps it really is just random, perhaps it's a function of the way kids are used by the high school programs here, I'm not sure. But I know it's rare for Washington state to produce a WR worth a damn.

The class of 2020 (I KNOW FUCK YOU) looks insane with good black kids. I don't know what happened. A couple of them are linemen, too. It's crazy.

 

[dnc]

I love the list but I would swap #4 and #5. An all-galaxy CB is immensely valuable

Agreed. RB is definitely too high.

I know I'll be way in the minority on this but I'd probably take an elite WR over an elite RB quite honestly, especially given how rare it is for a an elite WR to come out of the state of Washington compared to an elite RB. We? produce RB's much better than WR's.

Hmmmm... so serious question, who would you rather have on your team, Corey Dillon or Desmond Trufant?

I would go with Dillon 10/10. And I love Desmond Trufant.

And Corey was picked in the second round.

When you have an elite player at TB he sees the ball 30 times/game (or, in our offense, 12-18) and that sort of production really matters.

If you have an elite CB he only prevents like 6 out of 8 receptions for the opposing WR.

Unfair question because I am totally gay for Corey Dillon. IIRC he was only a second rounder because of off the field concerns, he was clearly an all world talent.

Give me four years of Corey Dillon over any CB who ever played at UW. But I'll take three years of Sidney Jones over every other RB we've had in my lifetime. Same for Marcus Peters.

BTW, no RB sees the ball 30 times a game anymore. Those days are long gone.

BUT STILL...

Anyway, seriously - running backs can change games if they are really good. You need to be Deion Sanders to affect a game the way a tailback does.

Now, if you ask me would I rather have Kev King and Sid Jones or a great tailback, that's easy, but in terms of 1 player, I'd rather have a truly great RB.

That's fine. Like I said, I knew I'd be in the minority. The nice thing is this isn't the NFL, it's not like we have to decide whether to take a corner or a tackle or an RB in round X. We can prioritize all of them.

 

[FKA_Mousecop]

I love the list but I would swap #4 and #5. An all-galaxy CB is immensely valuable

Agreed. RB is definitely too high.

I know I'll be way in the minority on this but I'd probably take an elite WR over an elite RB quite honestly, especially given how rare it is for a an elite WR to come out of the state of Washington compared to an elite RB. We? produce RB's much better than WR's.

We definitely produce more high3/4* RBs, but when was the last time we had a truly elite RB out of HS in the state of Washington? As far as pass-catchers go We've had Kasen Williams, Reggie Williams, Kavario Middleton, Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, etc.

I mean, obviously Jonathan Stewart came from Washington, but I can't recall as many RBs as WRs.

Jesus Christ you are truly one of the most clueless TBSers I've ever encountered and you won't fucking shut up.

All I've said is we've had more ELITE receiving options than RBs, but that Washington is more consistent in producing RBs. Do you disagree?

 

[dnc]

I love the list but I would swap #4 and #5. An all-galaxy CB is immensely valuable

Agreed. RB is definitely too high.

I know I'll be way in the minority on this but I'd probably take an elite WR over an elite RB quite honestly, especially given how rare it is for a an elite WR to come out of the state of Washington compared to an elite RB. We? produce RB's much better than WR's.

We definitely produce more high3/4* RBs, but when was the last time we had a truly elite RB out of HS in the state of Washington? As far as pass-catchers go We've had Kasen Williams, Reggie Williams, Kavario Middleton, Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, etc.

I mean, obviously Jonathan Stewart came from Washington, but I can't recall as many RBs as WRs.

Jesus Christ you are truly one of the most clueless TBSers I've ever encountered and you won't fucking shut up.

All I've said is we've had more ELITE receiving options than RBs, but that Washington is more consistent in producing RBs. Do you disagree?

Mouser handles getting his poasts shit on pretty well. I think he's gonna make it around here.

 

[Tequilla]

We produce everything randomly outside of QBs, TEs and OLs because we have no black population.

I've said it a million times, if you guys really care about Husky football we would all think of a way to get a million black people to relocate from Mississippi or some other godforsaken shit bag state that is 10billion percent racist and do some program where they all move here.

Black people rule, white people drool and make good QBs/TEs and OLs.

This is true, but our black population seems to randomly produce RB's at a much faster pace than WR's. Perhaps it really is just random, perhaps it's a function of the way kids are used by the high school programs here, I'm not sure. But I know it's rare for Washington state to produce a WR worth a damn.

Our ability to produce WRs in this state I do think is getting better ...

But for decades this state at the high school levels was the definition of 3 yards and a cloud of dust with QBs throwing a half dozen passes per game at the most.

There are more and more programs in the State playing a more wide open spread offense and when you add to it the underwear 7 on 7 camps and you get kids getting way more reps than they ever did 20 years ago in this state.

 

[dnc]

We produce everything randomly outside of QBs, TEs and OLs because we have no black population.

I've said it a million times, if you guys really care about Husky football we would all think of a way to get a million black people to relocate from Mississippi or some other godforsaken shit bag state that is 10billion percent racist and do some program where they all move here.

Black people rule, white people drool and make good QBs/TEs and OLs.

This is true, but our black population seems to randomly produce RB's at a much faster pace than WR's. Perhaps it really is just random, perhaps it's a function of the way kids are used by the high school programs here, I'm not sure. But I know it's rare for Washington state to produce a WR worth a damn.

Our ability to produce WRs in this state I do think is getting better ...

But for decades this state at the high school levels was the definition of 3 yards and a cloud of dust with QBs throwing a half dozen passes per game at the most.

There are more and more programs in the State playing a more wide open spread offense and when you add to it the underwear 7 on 7 camps and you get kids getting way more reps than they ever did 20 years ago in this state.

If true it sounds like the infrastructure to develop WR's is definitely improving. Maybe 2020 is the year we see results from that? Sure doesn't seem like we've seen any yet.

 

[Dennis_DeYoung]

I love the list but I would swap #4 and #5. An all-galaxy CB is immensely valuable

Agreed. RB is definitely too high.

I know I'll be way in the minority on this but I'd probably take an elite WR over an elite RB quite honestly, especially given how rare it is for a an elite WR to come out of the state of Washington compared to an elite RB. We? produce RB's much better than WR's.

We definitely produce more high3/4* RBs, but when was the last time we had a truly elite RB out of HS in the state of Washington? As far as pass-catchers go We've had Kasen Williams, Reggie Williams, Kavario Middleton, Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, etc.

I mean, obviously Jonathan Stewart came from Washington, but I can't recall as many RBs as WRs.

Jesus Christ you are truly one of the most clueless TBSers I've ever encountered and you won't fucking shut up.

All I've said is we've had more ELITE receiving options than RBs, but that Washington is more consistent in producing RBs. Do you disagree?

In the past 30 years we've produced:

Corey Dillon and Jonathan Stewart at RB (if you want to only include guys who are 5-star guys) and Kasen and Reggie at WR and Kasen wasn't amazing.

So shut. the. fuck. up. It is completely random.

We have always produced TEs/OLs/QBs. That's what we produce. Sadly next year we are not producing OL.

 

[dnc]

I love the list but I would swap #4 and #5. An all-galaxy CB is immensely valuable

Agreed. RB is definitely too high.

I know I'll be way in the minority on this but I'd probably take an elite WR over an elite RB quite honestly, especially given how rare it is for a an elite WR to come out of the state of Washington compared to an elite RB. We? produce RB's much better than WR's.

We definitely produce more high3/4* RBs, but when was the last time we had a truly elite RB out of HS in the state of Washington? As far as pass-catchers go We've had Kasen Williams, Reggie Williams, Kavario Middleton, Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, etc.

I mean, obviously Jonathan Stewart came from Washington, but I can't recall as many RBs as WRs.

Jesus Christ you are truly one of the most clueless TBSers I've ever encountered and you won't fucking shut up.

All I've said is we've had more ELITE receiving options than RBs, but that Washington is more consistent in producing RBs. Do you disagree?

In the past 30 years we've produced:

Corey Dillon and Jonathan Stewart at RB (if you want to only include guys who are 5-star guys) and Kasen and Reggie at WR and Kasen wasn't amazing.

So shut. the. fuck. up. It is completely random.

We have always produced TEs/OLs/QBs. That's what we produce. Sadly next year we are not producing OL.

WHY DO YOU HATE PAUL ARNOLD???

 

[Dennis_DeYoung]

I love the list but I would swap #4 and #5. An all-galaxy CB is immensely valuable

Agreed. RB is definitely too high.

I know I'll be way in the minority on this but I'd probably take an elite WR over an elite RB quite honestly, especially given how rare it is for a an elite WR to come out of the state of Washington compared to an elite RB. We? produce RB's much better than WR's.

We definitely produce more high3/4* RBs, but when was the last time we had a truly elite RB out of HS in the state of Washington? As far as pass-catchers go We've had Kasen Williams, Reggie Williams, Kavario Middleton, Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, etc.

I mean, obviously Jonathan Stewart came from Washington, but I can't recall as many RBs as WRs.

Jesus Christ you are truly one of the most clueless TBSers I've ever encountered and you won't fucking shut up.

All I've said is we've had more ELITE receiving options than RBs, but that Washington is more consistent in producing RBs. Do you disagree?

In the past 30 years we've produced:

Corey Dillon and Jonathan Stewart at RB (if you want to only include guys who are 5-star guys) and Kasen and Reggie at WR and Kasen wasn't amazing.

So shut. the. fuck. up. It is completely random.

We have always produced TEs/OLs/QBs. That's what we produce. Sadly next year we are not producing OL.

WHY DO YOU HATE PAUL ARNOLD???

Great point. I don't. So there, we produce better RBs. Fucking mouseshit bullcrap!

 

[dnc]

I love the list but I would swap #4 and #5. An all-galaxy CB is immensely valuable

Agreed. RB is definitely too high.

I know I'll be way in the minority on this but I'd probably take an elite WR over an elite RB quite honestly, especially given how rare it is for a an elite WR to come out of the state of Washington compared to an elite RB. We? produce RB's much better than WR's.

We definitely produce more high3/4* RBs, but when was the last time we had a truly elite RB out of HS in the state of Washington? As far as pass-catchers go We've had Kasen Williams, Reggie Williams, Kavario Middleton, Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, etc.

I mean, obviously Jonathan Stewart came from Washington, but I can't recall as many RBs as WRs.

Jesus Christ you are truly one of the most clueless TBSers I've ever encountered and you won't fucking shut up.

All I've said is we've had more ELITE receiving options than RBs, but that Washington is more consistent in producing RBs. Do you disagree?

In the past 30 years we've produced:

Corey Dillon and Jonathan Stewart at RB (if you want to only include guys who are 5-star guys) and Kasen and Reggie at WR and Kasen wasn't amazing.

So shut. the. fuck. up. It is completely random.

We have always produced TEs/OLs/QBs. That's what we produce. Sadly next year we are not producing OL.

WHY DO YOU HATE PAUL ARNOLD???

Great point. I don't. So there, we produce better RBs. Fucking mouseshit bullcrap!

Paul Arnold is the reason I started following TBS. He'll always have a special place in my heart. He's also the reason I should have learned that spring game stats and DM.c hype don't mean shit, but unfortunately I didn't learn that lesson until later on.