Petersen, The Christ

[RaceBannon]

Brock called him out. Said you don't take chances like that at this level... kicking it would have pinned Stanford on their own 10( or not) and Stanford would not have moved the ball the way the UW defense was playing.

He should tread lightly or he may get his brother fired.

Other than the 47 yards they moved it to score

But still

I like to pretend 47 yard scoring drives are as easy as 80+ yard scoring drives.

I like to say that a 47 yard drive is "not moving the ball the way the Husky defense was playing"

But still

If you drive 47 yards from your 20 you are at the Husky 33 yard line.

 

[ThomasFremont]

Brock called him out. Said you don't take chances like that at this level... kicking it would have pinned Stanford on their own 10( or not) and Stanford would not have moved the ball the way the UW defense was playing.

He should tread lightly or he may get his brother fired.

Other than the 47 yards they moved it to score

But still

I like to pretend 47 yard scoring drives are as easy as 80+ yard scoring drives.

I like to say that a 47 yard drive is "not moving the ball the way the Husky defense was playing"

But still

If you drive 47 yards from your 20 you are at the Husky 33 yard line.

I like to pretend the 33 yard line = the end zone. I like to do that.

 

[chuck]

Brock called him out. Said you don't take chances like that at this level... kicking it would have pinned Stanford on their own 10( or not) and Stanford would not have moved the ball the way the UW defense was playing.

He should tread lightly or he may get his brother fired.

Other than the 47 yards they moved it to score

But still

I like to pretend 47 yard scoring drives are as easy as 80+ yard scoring drives.

I like to say that a 47 yard drive is "not moving the ball the way the Husky defense was playing"

But still

If you drive 47 yards from your 20 you are at the Husky 33 yard line.

I like to pretend the 33 yard line = the end zone. I like to do that.

I like to pretend that the only factual thing to work with in this debate isn't the ease with which they moved 47 yards after the fake.

Speculate all you want, but I tend to believe that if they could move it from the 47, they would probably move it from the 10 (if that's where they ended up). It's not like the UW defense was shutting Stanford down all game. They moved the ball pretty well, and it gets more difficult for a defense that spends most of the game on the field to shut down the offense as the game goes on, not easier.

 

[RaceBannon]

Brock called him out. Said you don't take chances like that at this level... kicking it would have pinned Stanford on their own 10( or not) and Stanford would not have moved the ball the way the UW defense was playing.

He should tread lightly or he may get his brother fired.

Other than the 47 yards they moved it to score

But still

I like to pretend 47 yard scoring drives are as easy as 80+ yard scoring drives.

I like to say that a 47 yard drive is "not moving the ball the way the Husky defense was playing"

But still

If you drive 47 yards from your 20 you are at the Husky 33 yard line.

I like to pretend the 33 yard line = the end zone. I like to do that.

I like to pretend Stanford needed a TD

They didn't

But still

 

[ThomasFremont]

Brock called him out. Said you don't take chances like that at this level... kicking it would have pinned Stanford on their own 10( or not) and Stanford would not have moved the ball the way the UW defense was playing.

He should tread lightly or he may get his brother fired.

Other than the 47 yards they moved it to score

But still

I like to pretend 47 yard scoring drives are as easy as 80+ yard scoring drives.

I like to say that a 47 yard drive is "not moving the ball the way the Husky defense was playing"

But still

If you drive 47 yards from your 20 you are at the Husky 33 yard line.

I like to pretend the 33 yard line = the end zone. I like to do that.

I like to pretend that the only factual thing to work with in this debate isn't the ease with which they moved 47 yards after the fake.

Speculate all you want, but I tend to believe that if they could move it from the 47, they would probably move it from the 10 (if that's where they ended up). It's not like the UW defense was shutting Stanford down all game. They moved the ball pretty well, and it gets more difficult for a defense that spends most of the game on the field to shut down the offense as the game goes on, not easier.

I like to pretend that the OC is as aggressive when he's pinned inside the 20 as he is when he gets outstanding starting field position off a huge momentum turn.

Do you have a point?

 

[RaceBannon]

Brock called him out. Said you don't take chances like that at this level... kicking it would have pinned Stanford on their own 10( or not) and Stanford would not have moved the ball the way the UW defense was playing.

He should tread lightly or he may get his brother fired.

Other than the 47 yards they moved it to score

But still

I like to pretend 47 yard scoring drives are as easy as 80+ yard scoring drives.

I like to say that a 47 yard drive is "not moving the ball the way the Husky defense was playing"

But still

If you drive 47 yards from your 20 you are at the Husky 33 yard line.

I like to pretend the 33 yard line = the end zone. I like to do that.

I like to pretend that the only factual thing to work with in this debate isn't the ease with which they moved 47 yards after the fake.

Speculate all you want, but I tend to believe that if they could move it from the 47, they would probably move it from the 10 (if that's where they ended up). It's not like the UW defense was shutting Stanford down all game. They moved the ball pretty well, and it gets more difficult for a defense that spends most of the game on the field to shut down the offense as the game goes on, not easier.

Yes

 

[TierbsHsotBoobs]

Brock called him out. Said you don't take chances like that at this level... kicking it would have pinned Stanford on their own 10( or not) and Stanford would not have moved the ball the way the UW defense was playing.

He should tread lightly or he may get his brother fired.

Other than the 47 yards they moved it to score

But still

I like to pretend 47 yard scoring drives are as easy as 80+ yard scoring drives.

I like to say that a 47 yard drive is "not moving the ball the way the Husky defense was playing"

But still

If you drive 47 yards from your 20 you are at the Husky 33 yard line.

I like to pretend the 33 yard line = the end zone. I like to do that.

I like to pretend Stanford needed a TD

They didn't

But still

I also like to ignore how UW was in field goal range when they needed a touchdown at the end.

CHRIST

 

[RaceBannon]

Brock called him out. Said you don't take chances like that at this level... kicking it would have pinned Stanford on their own 10( or not) and Stanford would not have moved the ball the way the UW defense was playing.

He should tread lightly or he may get his brother fired.

Other than the 47 yards they moved it to score

But still

I like to pretend 47 yard scoring drives are as easy as 80+ yard scoring drives.

I like to say that a 47 yard drive is "not moving the ball the way the Husky defense was playing"

But still

If you drive 47 yards from your 20 you are at the Husky 33 yard line.

I like to pretend the 33 yard line = the end zone. I like to do that.

I like to pretend that the only factual thing to work with in this debate isn't the ease with which they moved 47 yards after the fake.

Speculate all you want, but I tend to believe that if they could move it from the 47, they would probably move it from the 10 (if that's where they ended up). It's not like the UW defense was shutting Stanford down all game. They moved the ball pretty well, and it gets more difficult for a defense that spends most of the game on the field to shut down the offense as the game goes on, not easier.

I like to pretend that the OC is as aggressive when he's pinned inside the 20 as he is when he gets outstanding starting field position off a huge momentum turn.

Do you have a point?

My original point

UW wasn't shutting Stanford down

They drove 47 yards

 

[RaceBannon]

Brock called him out. Said you don't take chances like that at this level... kicking it would have pinned Stanford on their own 10( or not) and Stanford would not have moved the ball the way the UW defense was playing.

He should tread lightly or he may get his brother fired.

Other than the 47 yards they moved it to score

But still

I like to pretend 47 yard scoring drives are as easy as 80+ yard scoring drives.

I like to say that a 47 yard drive is "not moving the ball the way the Husky defense was playing"

But still

If you drive 47 yards from your 20 you are at the Husky 33 yard line.

I like to pretend the 33 yard line = the end zone. I like to do that.

I like to pretend Stanford needed a TD

They didn't

But still

I also like to ignore how UW was in field goal range when they needed a touchdown at the end.

CHRIST

So now we're extending this hypothetical even further

Seems a lot like pressing now

 

[TierbsHsotBoobs]

Brock called him out. Said you don't take chances like that at this level... kicking it would have pinned Stanford on their own 10( or not) and Stanford would not have moved the ball the way the UW defense was playing.

He should tread lightly or he may get his brother fired.

Other than the 47 yards they moved it to score

But still

I like to pretend 47 yard scoring drives are as easy as 80+ yard scoring drives.

I like to say that a 47 yard drive is "not moving the ball the way the Husky defense was playing"

But still

If you drive 47 yards from your 20 you are at the Husky 33 yard line.

I like to pretend the 33 yard line = the end zone. I like to do that.

I like to pretend Stanford needed a TD

They didn't

But still

I also like to ignore how UW was in field goal range when they needed a touchdown at the end.

CHRIST

So now we're extending this hypothetical even further

Seems a lot like pressing now

 

[RaceBannon]

Brock called him out. Said you don't take chances like that at this level... kicking it would have pinned Stanford on their own 10( or not) and Stanford would not have moved the ball the way the UW defense was playing.

He should tread lightly or he may get his brother fired.

Other than the 47 yards they moved it to score

But still

I like to pretend 47 yard scoring drives are as easy as 80+ yard scoring drives.

I like to say that a 47 yard drive is "not moving the ball the way the Husky defense was playing"

But still

If you drive 47 yards from your 20 you are at the Husky 33 yard line.

I like to pretend the 33 yard line = the end zone. I like to do that.

I like to pretend Stanford needed a TD

They didn't

But still

I also like to ignore how UW was in field goal range when they needed a touchdown at the end.

CHRIST

So now we're extending this hypothetical even further

Seems a lot like pressing now

Great irrelevant graph as always

Maybe you should see what this discussion is about first, then pop off

 

[greenblood]

Brock called him out. Said you don't take chances like that at this level... kicking it would have pinned Stanford on their own 10( or not) and Stanford would not have moved the ball the way the UW defense was playing.

He should tread lightly or he may get his brother fired.

Other than the 47 yards they moved it to score

But still

I like to pretend 47 yard scoring drives are as easy as 80+ yard scoring drives.

I like to say that a 47 yard drive is "not moving the ball the way the Husky defense was playing"

But still

If you drive 47 yards from your 20 you are at the Husky 33 yard line.

I like to pretend the 33 yard line = the end zone. I like to do that.

I like to pretend Stanford needed a TD

They didn't

But still

I also like to ignore how UW was in field goal range when they needed a touchdown at the end.

CHRIST

So now we're extending this hypothetical even further

Seems a lot like pressing now

There is such a thing as a "game flow outcome probability graph"? Whoever invented this graph needs get violated by a rusty automated auger.

 

[ThomasFremont]

Brock called him out. Said you don't take chances like that at this level... kicking it would have pinned Stanford on their own 10( or not) and Stanford would not have moved the ball the way the UW defense was playing.

He should tread lightly or he may get his brother fired.

Other than the 47 yards they moved it to score

But still

I like to pretend 47 yard scoring drives are as easy as 80+ yard scoring drives.

I like to say that a 47 yard drive is "not moving the ball the way the Husky defense was playing"

But still

If you drive 47 yards from your 20 you are at the Husky 33 yard line.

I like to pretend the 33 yard line = the end zone. I like to do that.

I like to pretend Stanford needed a TD

They didn't

But still

I also like to ignore how UW was in field goal range when they needed a touchdown at the end.

CHRIST

So now we're extending this hypothetical even further

Seems a lot like pressing now

Great irrelevant graph as always

Maybe you should see what this discussion is about first, then pop off

It's about a dumb fuck fake punt that cost us the game when it was still winnable.

What are you talking about?

 

[RaceBannon]

Brock called him out. Said you don't take chances like that at this level... kicking it would have pinned Stanford on their own 10( or not) and Stanford would not have moved the ball the way the UW defense was playing.

He should tread lightly or he may get his brother fired.

Other than the 47 yards they moved it to score

But still

I like to pretend 47 yard scoring drives are as easy as 80+ yard scoring drives.

I like to say that a 47 yard drive is "not moving the ball the way the Husky defense was playing"

But still

If you drive 47 yards from your 20 you are at the Husky 33 yard line.

I like to pretend the 33 yard line = the end zone. I like to do that.

I like to pretend Stanford needed a TD

They didn't

But still

I also like to ignore how UW was in field goal range when they needed a touchdown at the end.

CHRIST

So now we're extending this hypothetical even further

Seems a lot like pressing now

Great irrelevant graph as always

Maybe you should see what this discussion is about first, then pop off

It's about a dumb fuck fake punt that cost us the game when it was still winnable.

What are you talking about?

Welcome to Saturday

It's about Brock saying the Husky defense was shutting Stanford down. If that was true it actually bolsters the decision. It wasn't true before the fake and it clearly wasn't true after the fake.

I'll take your hypothetical that somehow Stanford would be paralyzed by getting the ball deep and match it with them running out the clock and scoring at the end

It's Tuesday, let's stop with the simple simon shit and pay attention. Brock was wrong. That was my point

You've been struggling all day

 

[RoadDawg55]

I agree more with Sven and Fremont on this one. There really is no right answer because it's all hypotheticals. The fake punt was a terrible call though. A small correction is that Stanford didn't move the ball easily down the field. They would have had to convert a 3rd and 8 but Danny Shelton got called for a face mask.

If we punted, Durkee might have pinned it inside the 10, maybe even the 5. The crowd got deflated by the failed fake. Holding Stanford to 3 or even a missed FG was possible if we punted. It's possible Stanford could have went 90 yards for a TD, but I don't think it's crazy to assume that they wouldn't.

 

[ThomasFremont]

I agree more with Sven and Fremont on this one. There really is no right answer because it's all hypotheticals. The fake punt was a terrible call though. A small correction is that Stanford didn't move the ball easily down the field. They would have had to convert a 3rd and 8 but Danny Shelton got called for a face mask.

If we punted, Durkee might have pinned it inside the 10, maybe even the 5. The crowd got deflated by the failed fake. Holding Stanford to 3 or even a missed FG was possible if we punted. It's possible Stanford could have went 90 yards for a TD, but I don't think it's crazy to assume that they wouldn't.

Race doesn't want to hear anything that deviates from his narrative.

 

[chuck]

Race doesn't want to hear anything that deviates from his narrative.

I don't think that's true. It's definitely not true for me. I'm 100% on the side of it being the wrong call. Had it worked I would have shaken my head and breathed a sigh of relief, then I would have watched the same Husky offense get stoned on the other side of the 50 and held my breath again as they attempted a long field goal.

The only way UW wins that game is if they punt that one deep and get a turnover in the red zone.
Or Shaq takes that fake to the house or close to it. Bad gamble, but it actually had a better chance of success than the Husky offense doing anything from anyplace on the field. Playing the trade punt game and failing to force turnover deep or defensive TD would have taken us to overtime at best, where I wouldn't have liked our chances.

My disagreement in this thread is with the statement that the defense was shutting Stanford down, because it wasn't, and with the statement that the fake punt cost UW the game, because it didn't. The offensive ineptitude and inability to stop Stanford's offense after the fake cost the game. The block in the back by Campbell cost UW the game. A lot of things cost UW the game.

 

[RaceBannon]

Race doesn't want to hear anything that deviates from his narrative.

I don't think that's true. It's definitely not true for me. I'm 100% on the side of it being the wrong call. Had it worked I would have shaken my head and breathed a sigh of relief, then I would have watched the same Husky offense get stoned on the other side of the 50 and held my breath again as they attempted a long field goal.

The only way UW wins that game is if they punt that one deep and get a turnover in the red zone.
Or Shaq takes that fake to the house or close to it. Bad gamble, but it actually had a better chance of success than the Husky offense doing anything from anyplace on the field. Playing the trade punt game and failing to force turnover deep or defensive TD would have taken us to overtime at best, where I wouldn't have liked our chances.

My disagreement in this thread is with the statement that the defense was shutting Stanford down, because it wasn't, and with the statement that the fake punt cost UW the game, because it didn't. The offensive ineptitude and inability to stop Stanford's offense after the fake cost the game. The block in the back by Campbell cost UW the game. A lot of things cost UW the game.

Of course it isn't true. I already said it was the wrong call.

Some folks struggle with nuance. UW wasn't shutting Stanford down. Simple fact.

 

[ThomasFremont]

Race doesn't want to hear anything that deviates from his narrative.

I don't think that's true. It's definitely not true for me. I'm 100% on the side of it being the wrong call. Had it worked I would have shaken my head and breathed a sigh of relief, then I would have watched the same Husky offense get stoned on the other side of the 50 and held my breath again as they attempted a long field goal.

The only way UW wins that game is if they punt that one deep and get a turnover in the red zone.
Or Shaq takes that fake to the house or close to it. Bad gamble, but it actually had a better chance of success than the Husky offense doing anything from anyplace on the field. Playing the trade punt game and failing to force turnover deep or defensive TD would have taken us to overtime at best, where I wouldn't have liked our chances.

My disagreement in this thread is with the statement that the defense was shutting Stanford down, because it wasn't, and with the statement that the fake punt cost UW the game, because it didn't. The offensive ineptitude and inability to stop Stanford's offense after the fake cost the game. The block in the back by Campbell cost UW the game. A lot of things cost UW the game.

Of course it isn't true. I already said it was the wrong call.

Some folks struggle with nuance. UW wasn't shutting Stanford down. Simple fact.

Without using your hindsight, what did you see from their offense that leads you to believe this?

Was it the 13 points they scored in the first 55 minutes of the game or the three TOs?

 

[greenblood]

Race doesn't want to hear anything that deviates from his narrative.

I don't think that's true. It's definitely not true for me. I'm 100% on the side of it being the wrong call. Had it worked I would have shaken my head and breathed a sigh of relief, then I would have watched the same Husky offense get stoned on the other side of the 50 and held my breath again as they attempted a long field goal.

The only way UW wins that game is if they punt that one deep and get a turnover in the red zone.
Or Shaq takes that fake to the house or close to it. Bad gamble, but it actually had a better chance of success than the Husky offense doing anything from anyplace on the field. Playing the trade punt game and failing to force turnover deep or defensive TD would have taken us to overtime at best, where I wouldn't have liked our chances.

My disagreement in this thread is with the statement that the defense was shutting Stanford down, because it wasn't, and with the statement that the fake punt cost UW the game, because it didn't. The offensive ineptitude and inability to stop Stanford's offense after the fake cost the game. The block in the back by Campbell cost UW the game. A lot of things cost UW the game.

Of course it isn't true. I already said it was the wrong call.

Some folks struggle with nuance. UW wasn't shutting Stanford down. Simple fact.

Without using your hindsight, what did you see from their offense that leads you to believe this?

Was it the 13 points they scored in the first 55 minutes of the game or the three TOs?

364 yards and 22 first downs isn't shutting a team down, HTH