Pete not making friends with the FS high schools

[Neighbor2972]

There's really just too many dudes with big egos in recruiting, between the college coaches, players and high school/7v7 coaches. Coach Pete isn't immune to this either, he believes he can win without the Tre'shauns of the world (and to be fair he kind of has). If he just sucked it up and played the 'recruiting' game more, we'd definitely be in a better position for the instate talent. I just don't see Pete doing that unfortunately.

I think DDY is being a little dramatic (as you would expect) but it's definitely a problem to keep an eye on for the future

 

[dnc]

2. The black kid thing - you're not black so you don't get it. That's really all I can say when you say preposterous shit like that. UW missed on Tre'Shaun this year, Conner last year... but if you think that Thomas isn't tapping into some general resentment and anger there is in the SEA toward UW, you are a fucking moron. And it's not JUST black kids, but it's particularly black kids. You can say it SHOULDN'T be that way and you will pretend the way is the world you want it to be, but that doesn't mean fucking shit.

What did I say that's preposterous about black kids? Literally all I said is he's gotten every black kid he wanted except Connor. And he has.

To misquote @NorwegianHusky "How are you writing all of these replies to dnc when you clearly don't know how to fucking read? You're ascribing opinions to him that he doesn't have."

And we'll just have to agree to disagree on Jimmy Lake. He got Gordon and Hampton signed before the promotion. They didn't promote him because he can't recruit now. They promoted him because if they didn't he would have gotten the promotion somewhere else.

And you talked to one high school coach so therefore you think there's a narrative growing throughout the state. This is the problem with inside information. People think one person who knows a little means a whole lot more than it does.

HS coaches may not love Pete.That's not going to keep their kids from coming to UW when UW wants them.

It's not one coach man.

It's pretty much every in state coach I know and have heard from... maybe 15?

Also AGAIN I'm not saying they're right...

But, look at this last week... we offered 20 out of state kids and ZERO in-state kids.

Now *I UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE DOING THAT* - got it - do you get it? I DENNIS DEYOUNG PERSONALLY UNDERSTAND IT...

...but I guarantee you there is a lot of butthurt at schools when they see people from fucking Kansas tweeting out offers from UW and UW has literally offered TWO in-state kids.

These schools are 'inner shitty' 'suburban' 'rural' traditionally good, not so much, etc.

You think Sumner feels great about the way they treated Ben Wilson? lol fuck no.

Now, IDGAF about Ben Wilson. I would have taken him, but I like Tafisi better. Whatever... it doesn't fucking matter. But they offered some fireplug out of TX instead of Ben, then when that shit went south and it looked like they weren't going to get Kaho, they initiated contact with Ben after not talking with him consistently for months.

That's the shit that got Sark ex-communicated locally. This is a fickle fucking place.

The same reason UW can basically sweep everyone is the same reason they can lose everyone: WWa is provincial.

Answer the question about what I said that was preposterous about black kids!!!

Other than ignoring that I have no issues whatsoever with this post. I agree with it completely. I'm the one who questioned wtf we haven't offered Elder yet.

 

[Dennis_DeYoung]

Holy shit ddy is pressing in this thread

So the program is in trouble because EWU kids are not getting UW offers?

Honestly fuck off DDY. You dont know 1/10th as much as you think you do about football

Yeah, that's my point - you hit it on the head.

Jesus fuck.

The resident 'recruiting doesn't matter' doogs always come around to say 'it doesn't matter' - then two years later when shit is in the toilet on whatever issue Pepsi and I are freaking out about when we see shit getting out of control, it's like 'oh, well, it was obvious something had to be done about it'.

Fucking Christ.

 

[dnc]

Seattle and the PNW is the sensitive of the sensitive in this country ... this isn’t a new development

Look at that, we agree!

 

[PostGameOrangeSlices]

Holy shit ddy is pressing in this thread

So the program is in trouble because EWU kids are not getting UW offers?

Honestly fuck off DDY. You dont know 1/10th as much as you think you do about football

Yeah, that's my point - you hit it on the head.

Jesus fuck.

The resident 'recruiting doesn't matter' doogs always come around to say 'it doesn't matter' - then two years later when shit is in the toilet on whatever issue Pepsi and I are freaking out about when we see shit getting out of control, it's like 'oh, well, it was obvious something had to be done about it'.

Fucking Christ.

Yeah, because me making fun of you for caring so much about 2 metro programs off the cuff thoughts definitely means I don't think recruiting matters.

Wake me up when this jilted lover drama is happening at schools that consistently produce studs.

 

[FremontTroll]

The thing that you are missing @dnc is that if you aren’t actively monitoring what is going on around you that by the time you recognize that there is a problem it’s way too fucking late.

Why do you think that Pepsi, Dennis, and I railed so hard on Pease? Strausser? Malloe?

When you see trending that isn’t looking good you better damn well start course correcting. Malloe looks to be doing ok. Pease and Strausser never did. K is taking recruiting more seriously than ever.

Asking “why” every once in a while and being forward looking matters. If you are doing it right, you don’t need the results to tell you that you are successful because you already know what the results are going to be.

Nobody was tougher on Pease and Strausser (after they were let go) than Tequilla.

 

[NorwegianHusky]

It's still early. Bailey Elder and AJ Vongphachanh aren't going to CWU because we failed to offer them in January. We're still trying to close the 2018 class.

 

[whuggy]

Fuck I don't care where they come from if they're good. As someone
said before if UW keeps putting up double digit win seasons then good
athletes will want to come here whether local or not. Pete doesn't need to
kiss the ass of local coaches for their not good enough players. He needs
to sell them on the narrative of those coaches improving their players enough
to earn a UW offer. We already offer a tremendously low number of kids and
that holds positive sway in the recruiting world. I don't want to see that damaged
by throwing bones to locals who aint good enough. This ain't on Pete, it's on the
local coaches to do a better job developing what they got.

 

[Dennis_DeYoung]

2. The black kid thing - you're not black so you don't get it. That's really all I can say when you say preposterous shit like that. UW missed on Tre'Shaun this year, Conner last year... but if you think that Thomas isn't tapping into some general resentment and anger there is in the SEA toward UW, you are a fucking moron. And it's not JUST black kids, but it's particularly black kids. You can say it SHOULDN'T be that way and you will pretend the way is the world you want it to be, but that doesn't mean fucking shit.

What did I say that's preposterous about black kids? Literally all I said is he's gotten every black kid he wanted except Connor. And he has.

To misquote @NorwegianHusky "How are you writing all of these replies to dnc when you clearly don't know how to fucking read? You're ascribing opinions to him that he doesn't have."

And we'll just have to agree to disagree on Jimmy Lake. He got Gordon and Hampton signed before the promotion. They didn't promote him because he can't recruit now. They promoted him because if they didn't he would have gotten the promotion somewhere else.

And you talked to one high school coach so therefore you think there's a narrative growing throughout the state. This is the problem with inside information. People think one person who knows a little means a whole lot more than it does.

HS coaches may not love Pete.That's not going to keep their kids from coming to UW when UW wants them.

It's not one coach man.

It's pretty much every in state coach I know and have heard from... maybe 15?

Also AGAIN I'm not saying they're right...

But, look at this last week... we offered 20 out of state kids and ZERO in-state kids.

Now *I UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE DOING THAT* - got it - do you get it? I DENNIS DEYOUNG PERSONALLY UNDERSTAND IT...

...but I guarantee you there is a lot of butthurt at schools when they see people from fucking Kansas tweeting out offers from UW and UW has literally offered TWO in-state kids.

These schools are 'inner shitty' 'suburban' 'rural' traditionally good, not so much, etc.

You think Sumner feels great about the way they treated Ben Wilson? lol fuck no.

Now, IDGAF about Ben Wilson. I would have taken him, but I like Tafisi better. Whatever... it doesn't fucking matter. But they offered some fireplug out of TX instead of Ben, then when that shit went south and it looked like they weren't going to get Kaho, they initiated contact with Ben after not talking with him consistently for months.

That's the shit that got Sark ex-communicated locally. This is a fickle fucking place.

The same reason UW can basically sweep everyone is the same reason they can lose everyone: WWa is provincial.

Answer the question about what I said that was preposterous about black kids!!!

Other than ignoring that I have no issues whatsoever with this post. I agree with it completely. I'm the one who questioned wtf we haven't offered Elder yet.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHY I SAID THAT I AM CRANKY BECAUSE OF THE CRUD.

Oh - my point is - I don't think Pete is Lambo, but I'm saying things break a lot quicker than they fix. There has been a perception in WWa forever that local black kids aren't included in UW's plans in the same way that local white kids are.

It was the case even when Ty was the coach. It's the same 206 Hoops shit. It's stupid. But it's been there forever... and once that shit takes hold, it's hard to shake.

 

[UW_Doog_Bot]

Watching the adults fight.

 

[dnc]

The thing that you are missing @dnc is that if you aren’t actively monitoring what is going on around you that by the time you recognize that there is a problem it’s way too fucking late.

Why do you think that Pepsi, Dennis, and I railed so hard on Pease? Strausser? Malloe?

When you see trending that isn’t looking good you better damn well start course correcting. Malloe looks to be doing ok. Pease and Strausser never did. K is taking recruiting more seriously than ever.

Asking “why” every once in a while and being forward looking matters. If you are doing it right, you don’t need the results to tell you that you are successful because you already know what the results are going to be.

Nobody was tougher on Pease and Strausser (after they were let go) than Tequilla.

I don't remember on Pease but Teq was definitely hard on Strausser toward the end of his tenure here.

 

[Tequilla]

The thing that you are missing @dnc is that if you aren’t actively monitoring what is going on around you that by the time you recognize that there is a problem it’s way too fucking late.

Why do you think that Pepsi, Dennis, and I railed so hard on Pease? Strausser? Malloe?

When you see trending that isn’t looking good you better damn well start course correcting. Malloe looks to be doing ok. Pease and Strausser never did. K is taking recruiting more seriously than ever.

Asking “why” every once in a while and being forward looking matters. If you are doing it right, you don’t need the results to tell you that you are successful because you already know what the results are going to be.

No, what you're missing is that this is common fucking sense and praise be to Allah Pete has shown this ability. I have confidence he'll course correct as needed because he's course corrected thus far. That's why the Lambo comp is FS. Lambo never showed that ability.

I have no problem with people pointing things out or questioning things or hypothesizing how they should be handled. Some people get too hysterical with it and far too confident in their own explanations of the "why" and expect others to take them as gospel.

They're not.

The Lambo comparison is about how he lost in-state recruiting (particularly for AA players) ...

Sark lost in-state recruiting as well ...

We routinely produce between 5-10 D1 caliber P5 recruits a year ... our foundation is always those players ...

We clearly realize we need to increase the quality of our recruiting classes to compete nationally. What we can’t do is lose focus of our foundation in that pursuit. It’s a delicate line.

 

[Dennis_DeYoung]

Fuck I don't care where they come from if they're good. As someone
said before if UW keeps putting up double digit win seasons then good
athletes will want to come here whether local or not. Pete doesn't need to
kiss the ass of local coaches for their not good enough players. He needs
to sell them on the narrative of those coaches improving their players enough
to earn a UW offer. We already offer a tremendously low number of kids and
that holds positive sway in the recruiting world. I don't want to see that damaged
by throwing bones to locals who aint good enough. This ain't on Pete, it's on the
local coaches to do a better job developing what they got.

I should pin my point on my local recruiting matters so much (especially for UW)... it's just a simple expected value calculation (and you can add some stuff about iteration in a closed community if you'd like to really do it up).

The truth is, it's mostly an issue about talent, not development. Development doesn't matter all that much (hence Kalepo and Ale).

The main thing is that 2020 and 2021 are two of the best in-state classes ever. We could conceivably get 7 4* players out of WA in each class.

 

[FremontTroll]

The thing that you are missing @dnc is that if you aren’t actively monitoring what is going on around you that by the time you recognize that there is a problem it’s way too fucking late.

Why do you think that Pepsi, Dennis, and I railed so hard on Pease? Strausser? Malloe?

When you see trending that isn’t looking good you better damn well start course correcting. Malloe looks to be doing ok. Pease and Strausser never did. K is taking recruiting more seriously than ever.

Asking “why” every once in a while and being forward looking matters. If you are doing it right, you don’t need the results to tell you that you are successful because you already know what the results are going to be.

Nobody was tougher on Pease and Strausser (after they were let go) than Tequilla.

I don't remember on Pease but Teq was definitely hard on Strausser toward the end of his tenure here.

Yes, coincidentally the same time he went from #1 doog to DDY's head minion. Strange.

 

[Tequilla]

The thing that you are missing @dnc is that if you aren’t actively monitoring what is going on around you that by the time you recognize that there is a problem it’s way too fucking late.

Why do you think that Pepsi, Dennis, and I railed so hard on Pease? Strausser? Malloe?

When you see trending that isn’t looking good you better damn well start course correcting. Malloe looks to be doing ok. Pease and Strausser never did. K is taking recruiting more seriously than ever.

Asking “why” every once in a while and being forward looking matters. If you are doing it right, you don’t need the results to tell you that you are successful because you already know what the results are going to be.

Nobody was tougher on Pease and Strausser (after they were let go) than Tequilla.

I was plenty critical of them when they were here

 

[FremontTroll]

Watching the adults fight.

It is amazing how quickly this thread metastasized and @BallzDeep wasn't even involved.

 

[dnc]

The thing that you are missing @dnc is that if you aren’t actively monitoring what is going on around you that by the time you recognize that there is a problem it’s way too fucking late.

Why do you think that Pepsi, Dennis, and I railed so hard on Pease? Strausser? Malloe?

When you see trending that isn’t looking good you better damn well start course correcting. Malloe looks to be doing ok. Pease and Strausser never did. K is taking recruiting more seriously than ever.

Asking “why” every once in a while and being forward looking matters. If you are doing it right, you don’t need the results to tell you that you are successful because you already know what the results are going to be.

No, what you're missing is that this is common fucking sense and praise be to Allah Pete has shown this ability. I have confidence he'll course correct as needed because he's course corrected thus far. That's why the Lambo comp is FS. Lambo never showed that ability.

I have no problem with people pointing things out or questioning things or hypothesizing how they should be handled. Some people get too hysterical with it and far too confident in their own explanations of the "why" and expect others to take them as gospel.

They're not.

The Lambo comparison is about how he lost in-state recruiting (particularly for AA players) ...

Sark lost in-state recruiting as well ...

We routinely produce between 5-10 D1 caliber P5 recruits a year ... our foundation is always those players ...

We clearly realize we need to increase the quality of our recruiting classes to compete nationally. What we can’t do is lose focus of our foundation in that pursuit. It’s a delicate line.

I get it.

I'm just saying Pete's not going to lose in state recruiting. Lambo didn't win at a high level and Sark didn't win at a high level or develop talent well for the next level. Pete's a better coach than either of them AND better at getting his kids big contracts. He might be a stubborn prideful dude, but he's not FS like Lambo or Sark.

In state recruiting will be fine in 2019 and good to great in 2020 and 2021.

 

[Mad_Son]

I stopped reading part way through page 2 so maybe someone finally figured it out but it both matters and is really stupid . (I know ddy said this less clearly and in more words ... examples and that shit)

 

[Meek]

How are you writing all of these replies to Dennis when you clearly don't know how to fucking read? You're ascribing opinions to him that he doesn't have.

Nowhere did Dennis say that Peterman is an asshole or that he's ruining relationships with the local high school coaches. He fucking agreed with you guys that the high school coaches are morons and are creating drama for no reason. At no point did he blame coach Pete for this.

What Dennis is talking about is the fucking PERCEPTION that is starting to form out there. Whether or not that perception is fair (it's not) doesn't matter. Whether or not Peterman has done something wrong (he hasn't) doesn't matter. The fact is that the perception might be forming nonetheless.

What Dennis is saying is that it's Coach Pete's job to make sure that perception does take hold. The fact that the high school douche coaches are wrong doesn't mean that Peterman can tell them to go fuck a moving train. He has to do what he can to maintain those relationships and change the perception, whether it's unfair bullshit or not.

How hard is that to comprehend?

Fair is not the point. The fact is that it can get worse and hurt us in recruiting if we just ignore it like you doorknob-licking retards say we should.

Like it or not, maintaining good relationships with the sanctimonious asshole coaches of local high school programs is an important part of the job.

people who type in ALL CAPS generally run the risk of obtuse inferences being missed.

 

[guntlove]

I love all you fuckbags in this thread calling the RB/Garf coaches morons - as if that fixes thing. Sure! They're morons! Done!

OF COURSE THEY'RE FUCKING MORONS. THEY'RE HIGH SCHOOL COACHES AND 90% OF HIGH SCHOOL COACHES ARE FUCKING SNOWFLAKE FUCKS.

I've never met a person who spent considerable time in athletics who wasn't overly sensitive. It's the price you pay to be in a weird cult.

WHO GIVES A FUCK?

Three things:

1. Right or wrong, it makes no fucking difference. This shit represents a serious threat to Pete and his staff's ability to land the kind of players we need.

2. This modern era of 'tell them to go fuck themselves' is Marvel Movie blustery bullshit. You want to draw 5mil from UW every year? This is part of that job. It's a fucking disgrace that our populous now thinks that pragmatism is stupid and posing like you're in a fucking Batman movie is the way to get things done.

3. Last, it's not just Beach and Garfield that feel this way. As long as UW is handing out offers like candy to out of state kids (see the past week) and waiting to offer in state kids (again, see the past week) this will be a perception. I know for a fact that this is a narrative that's developed ACROSS THE STATE in the last year or so. This is just the beginning of this.

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Again, I think Beach is FS for this tweet. OBVIOUSLY. Fucking Kalepo is committed. Fucking WSU passed on all those kids too. WHO GIVES A FUCK?

I think Thomas is FS, but you guys are fucking complete morons about this tough guy shit. Being a head football coach, you have to be a diplomat as well. This may not hurt us this or next year, but when 2020 and 2021 roll around, if this shit metastasizes, we are going to be fucked by this for no reason.

It's a fucking battle of egos. Who gives a shit?

Just do whatever it takes to make these people feel like you give in-state players the first and most serious look. Go over your process with all the head coaches. Try and help these coaches get jobs at colleges. Whatever.

I don't like it, but it's part of the job.

Pete's gotta deal with it one way or another.

I love you with all my heart but fuck you are the biggest drama queen I know and I'm married. To a woman[/b].

@swaye know about dis?!