Patrick Utschinski, 2* 2019 OT, Walla Walla (HS), WA

I’m not a huge fan of grayshirting in our position for a few reasons:

1) highly unlikely that anybody we want to gray shirt doesn’t have at least a handful of P12 offers

2) is an additional year going to make better than a recruit next year? It’s essentially bird in hand theory question.

3) what if the project doesn’t develop?

Where I would be on board is if we ever find ourselves in a position where we may max out a class and need to push numbers and/or when there is an injury issue in place where starting the clock makes zero sense
 
So, there's a kid on the East Side that Huff has gotten interested in. From what I understand, last year was his first year playing football.

He's 6'6, 270 and not at all fat. Probably would play close to 315 in college. His coach thinks he has a high upside, but is pretty raw right now.

I'm not sure we'll offer, [/b]but any time we get interested in local kids, I think it's noteworthy.

Here's his hudl:https://www.hudl.com/video/3/6018420/59ac20bb9a91a209e4e8d230
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We should hold out for another Nick Harris.
 
I’m not a huge fan of grayshirting in our position for a few reasons:

1) highly unlikely that anybody we want to gray shirt doesn’t have at least a handful of P12 offers

2) is an additional year going to make better than a recruit next year? It’s essentially bird in hand theory question.

3) what if the project doesn’t develop?

Where I would be on board is if we ever find ourselves in a position where we may max out a class and need to push numbers and/or when there is an injury issue in place where starting the clock makes zero sense
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For skill positions agree completely...I don't think an extra year of physical development gets you a whole lot. But I'd argue OL and to a lesser extent DL are a bit different. And if they are local guys and the offers are WSU and OSU and such I think you could still bring them in (I have no clue and am just guessing but I think if we offered Beresford a grayshirt he would have come).

If you look at a guy like Utschinski (6'6", 270 lbs and appears to be athletic as hell) and compare him to a guy like Mele (6'5", 270 lbs and athletic) and decide their athletic abilities/frames/potential are about the same and the primary difference is that Mele's been playing competitive football and weight training for 4 years and is a hell of a lot more advanced while the other guy hasn't done any of that. You would always want the Mele's, but you are willing to take someone every few years with that high ceiling but is WAY further away and give him an extra year of development/weight room.

You end up with a local kid who loves UW in the locker room, will be in the system for 3 years before they even see the 2 deeps (while only counting for 2 years on scholarship), and you've got an OL that's going to be 22 or 23 when they graduate.

But then again if we can get Hatchett and Murao in 2020 nobody will give a shite.
 
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Using your example, we are likely going to get a kid like Mele (or better) EVERY YEAR going forward with this staff

Why would you trade a POSSIBLE Mele today that you are going to gray shirt and HOPE he becomes that player versus just getting that player next year?

If we had more s holarships to offer I’d be all for it. If we kicked kids to the curb I’d be all for it. We don’t really do that. So why take projects if you don’t need to?
 
Using your example, we are likely going to get a kid like Mele (or better) EVERY YEAR going forward with this staff

Why would you trade a POSSIBLE Mele today that you are going to gray shirt and HOPE he becomes that player versus just getting that player next year?

If we had more s holarships to offer I’d be all for it. If we kicked kids to the curb I’d be all for it. We don’t really do that. So why take projects if you don’t need to?
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Last year as an example we'll get kids like Mele, but we have yet to get 3 or 4 a class and no guarantees we will going forward. Curne is good, but he's the opposite in that I think he'll contribute relatively early but I don't know if his ceiling is as high. MJ Ale is a project with a high ceiling who is at least 3 years out (but there was no chance we could get him as a grayshirt). And the year before was brutal.

This year we got Luciano I'm guessing in part to back-fill numbers and he looks good (when he's not getting flagged for holding) but I don't think his ceiling is super high. We should be able to get 2 additional top guys along with Kalepo (one reason I'm guessing why we didn't go after Beresford), but I have no clue what the following year has beyond Hatchett and Murao. And the more important question is how a 20 year old redshirt freshman project like Utschinski would compare to a 18 year old true freshman 2020 4* that we might get.

The good thing is projects like that you have summer camps and their entire Sr. year to evaluate before you decide, but I do think age/physical development is much more important on the OL especially than just high school skill and competition.
 
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Using your example, we are likely going to get a kid like Mele (or better) EVERY YEAR going forward with this staff

Why would you trade a POSSIBLE Mele today that you are going to gray shirt and HOPE he becomes that player versus just getting that player next year?

If we had more s holarships to offer I’d be all for it. If we kicked kids to the curb I’d be all for it. We don’t really do that. So why take projects if you don’t need to?
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Last year as an example we'll get kids like Mele, but we have yet to get 3 or 4 a class and no guarantees we will going forward. Curne is good, but he's the opposite in that I think he'll contribute relatively early but I don't know if his ceiling is as high. MJ Ale is a project with a high ceiling who is at least 3 years out (but there was no chance we could get him as a grayshirt). And the year before was brutal.

This year we got Luciano I'm guessing in part to back-fill numbers and he looks good (when he's not getting flagged for holding) but I don't think his ceiling is super high. We should be able to get 2 additional top guys along with Kalepo (one reason I'm guessing why we didn't go after Beresford), but I have no clue what the following year has beyond Hatchett and Murao. And the more important question is how a 20 year old redshirt freshman project like Utschinski would compare to a 18 year old true freshman 2020 4* that we might get.

The good thing is projects like that you have summer camps and their entire Sr. year to evaluate before you decide, but I do think age/physical development is much more important on the OL especially than just high school skill and competition.
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dude curne has a potential to be an all american, i feel he has the lowest floor and the highest ceiling out of the OL recruits we got
 
So, there's a kid on the East Side that Huff has gotten interested in. From what I understand, last year was his first year playing football.

He's 6'6, 270 and not at all fat. Probably would play close to 315 in college. His coach thinks he has a high upside, but is pretty raw right now.

I'm not sure we'll offer, [/b]but any time we get interested in local kids, I think it's noteworthy.

Here's his hudl:https://www.hudl.com/video/3/6018420/59ac20bb9a91a209e4e8d230
Click to expand...

We should hold out for another Nick Harris.
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We? will
 
Using your example, we are likely going to get a kid like Mele (or better) EVERY YEAR going forward with this staff

Why would you trade a POSSIBLE Mele today that you are going to gray shirt and HOPE he becomes that player versus just getting that player next year?

If we had more s holarships to offer I’d be all for it. If we kicked kids to the curb I’d be all for it. We don’t really do that. So why take projects if you don’t need to?
Click to expand...

Last year as an example we'll get kids like Mele, but we have yet to get 3 or 4 a class and no guarantees we will going forward. Curne is good, but he's the opposite in that I think he'll contribute relatively early but I don't know if his ceiling is as high. MJ Ale is a project with a high ceiling who is at least 3 years out (but there was no chance we could get him as a grayshirt). And the year before was brutal.

This year we got Luciano I'm guessing in part to back-fill numbers and he looks good (when he's not getting flagged for holding) but I don't think his ceiling is super high. We should be able to get 2 additional top guys along with Kalepo (one reason I'm guessing why we didn't go after Beresford), but I have no clue what the following year has beyond Hatchett and Murao. And the more important question is how a 20 year old redshirt freshman project like Utschinski would compare to a 18 year old true freshman 2020 4* that we might get.

The good thing is projects like that you have summer camps and their entire Sr. year to evaluate before you decide, but I do think age/physical development is much more important on the OL especially than just high school skill and competition.
Click to expand...

dude curne has a potential to be an all american, i feel he has the lowest floor and the highest ceiling out of the OL recruits we got
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You think he has a lower floor than Ale and Mele?
 
Using your example, we are likely going to get a kid like Mele (or better) EVERY YEAR going forward with this staff

Why would you trade a POSSIBLE Mele today that you are going to gray shirt and HOPE he becomes that player versus just getting that player next year?

If we had more s holarships to offer I’d be all for it. If we kicked kids to the curb I’d be all for it. We don’t really do that. So why take projects if you don’t need to?
Click to expand...

Last year as an example we'll get kids like Mele, but we have yet to get 3 or 4 a class and no guarantees we will going forward. Curne is good, but he's the opposite in that I think he'll contribute relatively early but I don't know if his ceiling is as high. MJ Ale is a project with a high ceiling who is at least 3 years out (but there was no chance we could get him as a grayshirt). And the year before was brutal.

This year we got Luciano I'm guessing in part to back-fill numbers and he looks good (when he's not getting flagged for holding) but I don't think his ceiling is super high. We should be able to get 2 additional top guys along with Kalepo (one reason I'm guessing why we didn't go after Beresford), but I have no clue what the following year has beyond Hatchett and Murao. And the more important question is how a 20 year old redshirt freshman project like Utschinski would compare to a 18 year old true freshman 2020 4* that we might get.

The good thing is projects like that you have summer camps and their entire Sr. year to evaluate before you decide, but I do think age/physical development is much more important on the OL especially than just high school skill and competition.
Click to expand...

dude curne has a potential to be an all american, i feel he has the lowest floor and the highest ceiling out of the OL recruits we got
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You think he has a lower floor than Ale and Mele?
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Fuck, I should read what I write, i meant he has the highest floor and the highest ceiling
 
Fuck, I should read what I write, i meant he has the highest floor and the highest ceiling
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It could be worse. You could write your full name and birthday on here when you don't know anybody.
 
With one less WR scholarship in the class im glad we could be able to load up on the lines! Patrick Utschinski come on down!
 
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