Oregon Gets Cristoballed

LIPO.

This hire is only a failure if Mullens doesn't have the stones to pull the trigger on firing Cristobal in 2 years if this isn't panning out (which is very possible since Mullens is a huge pussy). In 2 years, there will be way better outside options available (the next Matt Campbell or maybe even actual Matt Campbell once he realizes that Iowa State has a very finite ceiling).

Not thrilled, but there's really no options out there. I prefer giving Cristobal 2 years and seeing what he can do, while pulling in good classes, over giving Leach/Sumlin/Wilcox 4 years and then starting from ground zero in 2022. But once again, this will all come down to how short of a leash Mullens is going to give him and the program.

LIPO.
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your conclusions are sound but that doesn't make the situation any less depressing

welp boys we hired a coach with an obvious ceiling to salvage a GOOD recruiting class, hope our AD has the stones to fire him in a few years when there are more tier 1-2-3 candidates out there.
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I was resigned to the depressing plight of the situation once the Taggart to FSU rumors popped up. It is what it is. I'm less depressed than if we made a long term and large financial commitment to Black Sark or Leach, though.
 
Wow. It actually happened. Okay then. Shit is right with the world again. We have a legit Top 5 coach and are going to the Fiesta Bowl, and they are circling the drain hiring failed assistants to lead Nike U. I always knew Oregon would suck again, I just didn't know it would be so soon.

All to save a recruiting class. Jesus. Fail.
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If we hired a coach to save a recruiting class I would kill myself. And this is coming from a guy who just got done looking at 2021 hudl.

At least the “lunatic fringe” of Husky fans went to the mattresses to try to bring the program back, sad to see Oregon fans just roll over and take it. SAD!
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You've mentioned mattresses twice now. Are you trying to get in my pants?
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We all are.
 
Comeupance for all the cheating Chimp did and Fill Night covered up with high priced lawyers. They almost got away scot free.
 
If Jim Leavitt is retained I don't think the program trajectory between Willie and Mario will be any different. We were running Mario's offense by the end of the year so Taggart really was only going to be a recruiter/mascot going forward. I would rather have both Willie and Mario on the staff because they are both awesome recruiters, but overall to me they are the same person.

For Mario's FIU stint they had no budget, just joined FBS and were under pretty heavy NCAA sanctions when he took over. He got them to their only two bowl games and their lone FBS conference championship. You don't reload at a school like that so there will be down times, but those aren't allowed in today's sports world.

I am neither excited or disappointed by the hire. I think we basically swapped out a black guy for a Cuban and if Jim Leavitt stays on nothing actually happened.
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One again, never change Mosster
 
Wow. It actually happened. Okay then. Shit is right with the world again. We have a legit Top 5 coach and are going to the Fiesta Bowl, and they are circling the drain hiring failed assistants to lead Nike U. I always knew Oregon would suck again, I just didn't know it would be so soon.

All to save a recruiting class. Jesus. Fail.
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If we hired a coach to save a recruiting class I would kill myself. And this is coming from a guy who just got done looking at 2021 hudl.

At least the “lunatic fringe” of Husky fans went to the mattresses to try to bring the program back, sad to see Oregon fans just roll over and take it. SAD!
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You've mentioned mattresses twice now. Are you trying to get in my pants?
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We all are.
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Just ask.
 
No offense to Grinch, but a lot of his success I believe has come from recruiting paying off. Leach started immediately filling out offensive spots, but it took a year or two for any quality defensive guys to want to come to WSU. He outcoached bad coaches, but not a lot of good coaches.
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Leach's offense has a ceiling. It's not built to beat fast, physical defenses and therefore win a Championship.

WSU's offense is the worst it has been this Season in 4 years. It was Grinch's defense that won half of the games this year. If WSU had last years Defense or gawd forbid the 2014 or 2015 defense this Season, they win 4 games max this Season.

Grinch's system of substituting size for speed won't win a Championship. However it does maximize the talent that they are able to get to come to Pullman.
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I just hate the way you talk down about our Kewgs my brother Cuog. I hate it.
 
This is a reasonable conclusion. Look, Cristoballz could be great. Who knows. Not an inspiring hire, and I think if you look at percentages of failed previous HC's brought up from the assistant ranks the chances are against Oregon, but he could turn out to be great. Small chance, but a chance. Key is Mullens shitcanning this guy quick if results are less than optimal and pulling a big name then. I know I'd be pissed if I were a Duck, but most of eSuck is rejoicing. Then again, most of eSuck are dumb fucking donkeys.
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RE: Mario Cristobal/Oregon> Just how bleak were things at FIU when he took over? There was no film library. No academic support system. He inherited a woeful APR & the program was going on academic probation, so they couldn’t have full recruiting classes: https://t.co/ISAvVzoLPh— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) December 8, 2017

A few thoughts on Mario Cristobal. 1. Took over, BY FAR, the worst FBS situation I've ever seen (FIU).. led them to a bowl win 4 yrs later; 2. Not sure there is a better recruiter in the country anywhere. 3. His teams will be very physical. MORE: https://t.co/ISAvVzoLPh— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) December 8, 2017
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its crazy that a reporter would white knight for a coach who went to the same school at the same time as him.

what a coincidence!

but, lipo
 
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This is a reasonable conclusion. Look, Cristoballz could be great. Who knows. Not an inspiring hire, and I think if you look at percentages of failed previous HC's brought up from the assistant ranks the chances are against Oregon, but he could turn out to be great. Small chance, but a chance. Key is Mullens shitcanning this guy quick if results are less than optimal and pulling a big name then. I know I'd be pissed if I were a Duck, but most of eSuck is rejoicing. Then again, most of eSuck are dumb fucking donkeys.
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RE: Mario Cristobal/Oregon> Just how bleak were things at FIU when he took over? There was no film library. No academic support system. He inherited a woeful APR & the program was going on academic probation, so they couldn’t have full recruiting classes: https://t.co/ISAvVzoLPh— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) December 8, 2017

A few thoughts on Mario Cristobal. 1. Took over, BY FAR, the worst FBS situation I've ever seen (FIU).. led them to a bowl win 4 yrs later; 2. Not sure there is a better recruiter in the country anywhere. 3. His teams will be very physical. MORE: https://t.co/ISAvVzoLPh— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) December 8, 2017
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its crazy that a reporter would white knight for a coach who went to the same school at the same time as him.

what a coincidence!

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You care so much it’s fucking embarrassing.

 
Oregon is entering new territory.

I can't think of a head coach who was fired from a lower division school and hired a few years later by a P5 school.

I can't think of a coach who was hired because of a petition by the players.

I can't think of an o line coach who was demoted to just coaching tackles

Who knows? Just might work
 
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LIPO.

This hire is only a failure if Mullens doesn't have the stones to pull the trigger on firing Cristobal in 2 years if this isn't panning out (which is very possible since Mullens is a huge pussy). In 2 years, there will be way better outside options available (the next Matt Campbell or maybe even actual Matt Campbell once he realizes that Iowa State has a very finite ceiling).

Not thrilled, but there's really no options out there. I prefer giving Cristobal 2 years and seeing what he can do, while pulling in good classes, over giving Leach/Sumlin/Wilcox 4 years and then starting from ground zero in 2022. But once again, this will all come down to how short of a leash Mullens is going to give him and the program.

LIPO.
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The AD and boosters gave in to a player vote and the prospect of keeping some of an alleged great recruiting class. This is the Bill Doba hire through and through. There were and are plenty of options out there that have had greater success as a head coach. This was as lazy hire as you could imagine at what used to think of themselves as a Football school.
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Who's available that's a better HC? I actually don't think there's a better realistic option out there right now that's better than Cristobal.
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But if we fire Sark who could we get that's better?

Brohm, Norvell, Tedford.Troy Brown, heck the guy that made a bowl at UAB this year would probably be better. Aren't you guys loaded?
 
LIPO.

This hire is only a failure if Mullens doesn't have the stones to pull the trigger on firing Cristobal in 2 years if this isn't panning out (which is very possible since Mullens is a huge pussy). In 2 years, there will be way better outside options available (the next Matt Campbell or maybe even actual Matt Campbell once he realizes that Iowa State has a very finite ceiling).

Not thrilled, but there's really no options out there. I prefer giving Cristobal 2 years and seeing what he can do, while pulling in good classes, over giving Leach/Sumlin/Wilcox 4 years and then starting from ground zero in 2022. But once again, this will all come down to how short of a leash Mullens is going to give him and the program.

LIPO.
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This is a reasonable conclusion. Look, Cristoballz could be great. Who knows. Not an inspiring hire, and I think if you look at percentages of failed previous HC's brought up from the assistant ranks the chances are against Oregon, but he could turn out to be great. Small chance, but a chance. Key is Mullens shitcanning this guy quick if results are less than optimal and pulling a big name then. I know I'd be pissed if I were a Duck, but most of eSuck is rejoicing. Then again, most of eSuck are dumb fucking donkeys.
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People need to GTFOver hiring a "great" coach.

Seriously, how often does that happen? Ever? What is a great coach? Michigan jerks off in their sleep over a guy that never sniffed an NC and ran off the guy who won their only modern one for winning nine games and crushing Tebow in their bowl his Heisman year.

There are three great coaches in college football and four dance spots. I don't give a fuck who anyone hires, your shot at making it outside of those three programs are slim. Then you have to account for ND who makes their own schedule, Oklahoma who plays no one, and ESPN trying to push two SEC teams every year for ratings.

I hate to break it to UW fans, but you already got the best you're ever going to get out of Petersen. He doesn't recruit well enough and Lake will be gone soon.

The 117 team rat race to grab that fourth spot is making the sport a shit show.
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Somebody's a little butthurt today.

Sad.
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I'm not butthurt at all. If Mullens can keep Leavitt literally nothing has changed in the program except no one will be axing questions anymore while being Pacific while dricking milk.

It's just fucking ridiculous to see all these programs trying to hire the next Nick, Urbs, or Dabo because there is zero margin for error anymore.

Kevin Sumlin getting fired is a prime example. aTm starts out in 3rd place in their region every year in everything behind OU and Texas. Then, they get to go play Bama, LSU, and Auburn every year with the potential to play either Florida or Georgia as well. The guy goes 51-26 at a place Bear Bryant couldn't sniff a championship at but that's not good enough. It's fucking delusional.[/b] It's only going to get worse too. You're going to have guys like Willie Taggart who have literally done nothing in their careers getting $5+M a year and big time jobs only because they haven't fully proven they aren't a Nick, Urbs, or Dabo yet.
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And you guys could have had that guy.

lulz.
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Oregon was more concerned about keeping the current recruiting class together than the long term. Also, coaching hires is like a pendulum. When you hire a hard ass and wears out his welcome, schools hire a player's coach, then when the team gets too out of control, they higher another hard ass. In this case it was about loyalty. Mullens wanted somebody he knew would stick around if successful.

Sumlin wasn't a lock to stay here long term. There was a chance he would also go south if given another opportunity. Mullens didn't want to get burned again, so he went safe. We'll see if it works out...
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When the fuck has going safe ever worked out? Go big or go home is the only motto that ever fucking worked.
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There was this one time, Oregon hired an OC with 2 years' experience at D1, and before that he was a lifer at some podunk school in New England.

Not saying Crystal Gayle is Chip Kelly, don't twist
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That wasn't the safe move. You fired ("promoted") a Hall of Fame (which is bullshit whatever) coach in order to promote Chip. Somebody realized what you have and made the ballsy move to hand him the keys. Highly risky, unconventional, and brilliant. One of the best moves a program made in my lifetime.

Honestly couldn't get more dissimilar than this shit.
 
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LIPO.

This hire is only a failure if Mullens doesn't have the stones to pull the trigger on firing Cristobal in 2 years if this isn't panning out (which is very possible since Mullens is a huge pussy). In 2 years, there will be way better outside options available (the next Matt Campbell or maybe even actual Matt Campbell once he realizes that Iowa State has a very finite ceiling).

Not thrilled, but there's really no options out there. I prefer giving Cristobal 2 years and seeing what he can do, while pulling in good classes, over giving Leach/Sumlin/Wilcox 4 years and then starting from ground zero in 2022. But once again, this will all come down to how short of a leash Mullens is going to give him and the program.

LIPO.
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This is a reasonable conclusion. Look, Cristoballz could be great. Who knows. Not an inspiring hire, and I think if you look at percentages of failed previous HC's brought up from the assistant ranks the chances are against Oregon, but he could turn out to be great. Small chance, but a chance. Key is Mullens shitcanning this guy quick if results are less than optimal and pulling a big name then. I know I'd be pissed if I were a Duck, but most of eSuck is rejoicing. Then again, most of eSuck are dumb fucking donkeys.
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People need to GTFOver hiring a "great" coach.

Seriously, how often does that happen? Ever? What is a great coach? Michigan jerks off in their sleep over a guy that never sniffed an NC and ran off the guy who won their only modern one for winning nine games and crushing Tebow in their bowl his Heisman year.

There are three great coaches in college football and four dance spots. I don't give a fuck who anyone hires, your shot at making it outside of those three programs are slim. Then you have to account for ND who makes their own schedule, Oklahoma who plays no one, and ESPN trying to push two SEC teams every year for ratings.

I hate to break it to UW fans, but you already got the best you're ever going to get out of Petersen. He doesn't recruit well enough and Lake will be gone soon.

The 117 team rat race to grab that fourth spot is making the sport a shit show.
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This is logically insane even for MossterFS.

This one team did something dumb once therefore there is no such thing as an objectively good or bad hire.

And Oregon is so unlikely to make the playoffs anyways what's the use in trying?
 
This is a reasonable conclusion. Look, Cristoballz could be great. Who knows. Not an inspiring hire, and I think if you look at percentages of failed previous HC's brought up from the assistant ranks the chances are against Oregon, but he could turn out to be great. Small chance, but a chance. Key is Mullens shitcanning this guy quick if results are less than optimal and pulling a big name then. I know I'd be pissed if I were a Duck, but most of eSuck is rejoicing. Then again, most of eSuck are dumb fucking donkeys.
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RE: Mario Cristobal/Oregon> Just how bleak were things at FIU when he took over? There was no film library. No academic support system. He inherited a woeful APR & the program was going on academic probation, so they couldn’t have full recruiting classes: https://t.co/ISAvVzoLPh— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) December 8, 2017

A few thoughts on Mario Cristobal. 1. Took over, BY FAR, the worst FBS situation I've ever seen (FIU).. led them to a bowl win 4 yrs later; 2. Not sure there is a better recruiter in the country anywhere. 3. His teams will be very physical. MORE: https://t.co/ISAvVzoLPh— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) December 8, 2017
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its crazy that a reporter would white knight for a coach who went to the same school at the same time as him.

what a coincidence!

but, lipo
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You care so much it’s fucking embarrassing.

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mike, jesus fucking christ, settle the fuck down, its a goddamn message board for fuck sakes.

and as for 'caring,' some jerkoff poasted tweets about how awesome christobal was despite shit shit record at florida what the fuck ever, coincidentally that reporter went to school and is still friends with christobal.

but yeah, i 'care.'

fuck.
 
LIPO.

This hire is only a failure if Mullens doesn't have the stones to pull the trigger on firing Cristobal in 2 years if this isn't panning out (which is very possible since Mullens is a huge pussy). In 2 years, there will be way better outside options available (the next Matt Campbell or maybe even actual Matt Campbell once he realizes that Iowa State has a very finite ceiling).

Not thrilled, but there's really no options out there. I prefer giving Cristobal 2 years and seeing what he can do, while pulling in good classes, over giving Leach/Sumlin/Wilcox 4 years and then starting from ground zero in 2022. But once again, this will all come down to how short of a leash Mullens is going to give him and the program.

LIPO.
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This is a reasonable conclusion. Look, Cristoballz could be great. Who knows. Not an inspiring hire, and I think if you look at percentages of failed previous HC's brought up from the assistant ranks the chances are against Oregon, but he could turn out to be great. Small chance, but a chance. Key is Mullens shitcanning this guy quick if results are less than optimal and pulling a big name then. I know I'd be pissed if I were a Duck, but most of eSuck is rejoicing. Then again, most of eSuck are dumb fucking donkeys.
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People need to GTFOver hiring a "great" coach.

Seriously, how often does that happen? Ever? What is a great coach? Michigan jerks off in their sleep over a guy that never sniffed an NC and ran off the guy who won their only modern one for winning nine games and crushing Tebow in their bowl his Heisman year.

There are three great coaches in college football and four dance spots. I don't give a fuck who anyone hires, your shot at making it outside of those three programs are slim. Then you have to account for ND who makes their own schedule, Oklahoma who plays no one, and ESPN trying to push two SEC teams every year for ratings.

I hate to break it to UW fans, but you already got the best you're ever going to get out of Petersen. He doesn't recruit well enough and Lake will be gone soon.

The 117 team rat race to grab that fourth spot is making the sport a shit show.
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Somebody's a little butthurt today.

Sad.
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I'm not butthurt at all. If Mullens can keep Leavitt literally nothing has changed in the program except no one will be axing questions anymore while being Pacific while dricking milk.

It's just fucking ridiculous to see all these programs trying to hire the next Nick, Urbs, or Dabo because there is zero margin for error anymore.

Kevin Sumlin getting fired is a prime example. aTm starts out in 3rd place in their region every year in everything behind OU and Texas. Then, they get to go play Bama, LSU, and Auburn every year with the potential to play either Florida or Georgia as well. The guy goes 51-26 at a place Bear Bryant couldn't sniff a championship at but that's not good enough. It's fucking delusional.[/b] It's only going to get worse too. You're going to have guys like Willie Taggart who have literally done nothing in their careers getting $5+M a year and big time jobs only because they haven't fully proven they aren't a Nick, Urbs, or Dabo yet.
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And you guys could have had that guy.

lulz.
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https://twitter.com/JiveKevinSumlin/status/939220410780045316
 
It's an interesting experiment, anyway, to be a decent P5 school and hire a HC primarily for his recruiting ability. I think it's not a good idea, but it'll be interesting.
 
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